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Old Posted May 30, 2009, 5:30 PM
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FirstOntario Centre (aka Copps Coliseum) | ? | 4 fl | Proposed













New vision for Copps


— Atrium-style lobby with stairs, escalators and elevators to all levels
— New street level retail
— New main concourse
— Club lounge with direct access to the club seating section
— More washrooms
— Food, beverage and bar amenities throughout concourse areas
— New upper concourse to exclusively serve the upper seating bowl
— New upholstered stadium seats
— New “state of the art” video scoreboard
— Capacity for more than 18,000 spectators
— 20 new “bunker suites” located at event level
— New “platinum” restaurant at event level
— 50 mid-level private suites, with bar/buffet facilities, 14- to 16-person capacity
— Four group suites at mid-level with 33- or 42-person capacity
— New suite level restaurant with view of the on-ice action
— New group sales/party deck incorporated into upper seating bowl
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Old Posted May 30, 2009, 9:04 PM
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Stupid question, but I'll ask anyway.

I know they've replaced a good number of seats at Copps with blue ones, assuming they replaced the whole seat - what did they do with the old ones? Is there any way for someone to get a hold of one of the old seats?
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Stupid question, but I'll ask anyway.

I know they've replaced a good number of seats at Copps with blue ones, assuming they replaced the whole seat - what did they do with the old ones? Is there any way for someone to get a hold of one of the old seats?

Just give them a call. If they are available they will let you know how you can get them.
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Old Posted May 31, 2009, 3:11 AM
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Just give them a call. If they are available they will let you know how you can get them.
Well, sure... if you want to take the simple approach.
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Just give them a call. If they are available they will let you know how you can get them.
Dayum... this is a really nice design. This coupled with the Farmers Market would be a major rejuvenation of York.

Add to that the York streetscape and it's even better; if a team was to move to Hamilton I wouldn't be surprised if developers snatched up land on York and built hotels as well.
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Well, sure... if you want to take the simple approach.
Break into the arena and steal them out of the basement?

I guarantee that Hilton hotel at the old HMP site will go up within a year if an NHL team comes here.
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I guarantee that Hilton hotel at the old HMP site will go up within a year if an NHL team comes here.
Start on that hotel is going to start this spring.
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Ah I didn't realize that.
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How do you know construction is going to start this spring? It's almost summer...
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During the World Junior Championship in Saskatoon I noticed they had videoscreens wrapped around the separation from upper and lower bowl. Yet they don't even have a professional hockey team. Ugh

Would be nice to somehow finance $5-10 million to renovation Copps interior and exterior before the 2015 Pan Am Games.
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Looks like Harper is going to announce tomorrow that cities can take money out of the Federal gas tax to fund arenas.
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Looks like Harper is going to announce tomorrow that cities can take money out of the Federal gas tax to fund arenas.
He should announce that cities can use the Federal gas tax to fund transit.
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Private sector funds $240K arena study

http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story...k-arena-study/

The second phase of a $240,000 study on updating the aging city-owned FirstOntario Centre is now underway thanks to billionaire Ron Joyce and other private sector funders.

When complete, the study will include costed options for a possible two-phase transformation of the 30-year-old downtown arena.

The first phase could see the lower bowl turned into a state-of-the-art 8,000 or so seat facility.

The second phase could see the entire building upgraded to 21{+s}t-century NHL standards.

Along with Joyce, the Carmen's Group, FirstOntario Credit Union, LIUNA, and Fengate Capital have contributed money to pay for the study, according to Jasper Kujavsky, the consultant and lawyer who's stickhandling the initiative for the city.

Kujavsky declined to say if there are also other unnamed partners participating.

"I'm very excited and looking forward to when people can actually get a visual sense of what this building is capable of," he said.

That's expected to happen, complete with concept renderings, by late June

The report will also include a preliminary evaluation of turning the district around the 17,000-seat FirstOntario Centre — formerly called Copps Coliseum — into a sports/entertainment/hospitality precinct, which could include a new convention centre.

Mayor Fred Eisenberger says he's delighted the private sector stepped up to fund a detailed appraisal of the aging facility, which the city may have had difficulty finding the money for.

"I think the review or study of this is fundamentally important. Full Stop."

Eisenberger looks upon the private sector help as a "charitable donation" that comes with no strings attached if and when the city decides to upgrade or repurpose the arena and the surrounding area.

"They have a clear understanding that if some decision was made to expand or retrofit or whatever that a competitive process would ensue and they may or may not decide to be part of it."

Eisenberger is also pleased at the "positive and creative" way the review came together.

The city hired Kujavsky to co-ordinate it last year. In return for a $50,000 fee, Kujavsky undertook to drum up the necessary support.

He initially raised $100,000 to review the mechanical, electrical, structural and maintenance systems. He then raised an additional $140,000 to look at modernizing options, the piece now underway.

Kujavsky commissioned Toronto-based Brisbin Brook Beynon Architects (BBB) to do both the short and long-term work.

BBB are internationally recognized experts in sports-related venues. Among other facilities, they designed the Air Canada Centre in Toronto and led renovations at Madison Square Gardens in New York, Calgary's Saddledome, and Edmonton's Rexall Place.

According to Kujavsky, BBB's initial report, which hasn't been released, shows that FirstOntario Centre is in good shape. Certain features and designs elements need refreshing, but overall it has "good bones."

Kujavsky notes the load-bearing capacity of the roof has proven to be a significant part of the appraisal.

"It goes without saying that a roof designed 30 years ago is not the same as a roof designed today. Buildings have changed in regards to their load-bearing capacity and it's a fact that touring shows today have heavier rigs and lighting equipment."

Presumably, the second part of the study will provide options for dealing with that and other issues.

Kujavsky estimates that full transformation into an NHL-ready arena would cost about $300 million. He figures a standalone lower bowl conversion would cost about $100 million.

Obviously, the city is not in position to afford either at the moment. But as city manager Chris Murray noted when he hired Kujavsky, the review will spell out the kind of money needed to maintain the building in its current form, as well as prepare the city to take advantage of any opportunities that may arise.

The fact that the city is getting a $240,000 report in return for a $50,000 payment to Kujavsky is a pretty good ROI. And, hopefully, the private sector's involvement sets the stage for the day when options become actions.
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Possible NHL franchise in the future if the arena gets enough money and upgrades?
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That would be fantastic!!!
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Oh no, lets not go down this street again...
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Oh no, lets not go down this street again...
Yea, I'm pretty sure nothing will come of this (re: NHL).

I'm just glad it's private money being wasted on this and not public money.
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good piece of business. a $240,000 study for $50,000.

hopefully the City looks at more of these out of the box partnerships
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Dreschel: FirstOntario Centre reno options laid out in new report
‘Massive’ study is in, but we won't get a peek for some weeks

http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story...in-new-report/
Hamilton Spectator
By Andrew Dreschel

A $240,000 private sector report on options for updating the aging city-owned FirstOntario Centre has finally landed at Hamilton City Hall.

Urban renewal manager Glen Norton says the "massive" study is being analyzed by staff in preparation for presentation to councillors early in the new year.

"There's a lot to look at and a lot to think about," said Norton. "It's a very detailed and comprehensive look at the condition of FirstOntario Centre and what it needs."

The study includes costed options for a major upgrade and partial and full renovations of the 30-year-old downtown arena, formerly known as Copps Coliseum.

The partial renovation involves turning the lower bowl into a state-of-the-art 8,000 or so seat facility with extensive remodelling of some hospitality and operational facilities.

The full renovation would see the entire 17,000-seat building uplifted to 21{+s}t-century NHL and other pro sports standards.

The report and construction costs remain confidential. But it's anticipated a full transformation would cost under $300 million while a partial renovation would be under $100 million.

The study is also expected to explore the possibility of the development of an entertainment precinct in and around a rejuvenated arena, which could include updated or new convention and hospitality facilities.

It's also believed to include information about the potential location of a lacrosse franchise in Hamilton.

The report was prepared by Toronto-based Brisbin Brook Beynon Architects (BBB), internationally known experts in sports-related venues whose clients include the NHL and NBA.

BBB designed, among other facilities, the Air Canada Centre in Toronto and led renovations at Madison Square Garden in New York and Calgary's Scotiabank Saddledome.

The origin of the study is unusual to say the least.

It was commissioned last year by city manager Chris Murray after he was approached by local lawyer and development consultant Jasper Kujavsky with an unsolicited offer he couldn't refuse.

In return for a $50,000 fee, Kujavsky undertook to drum up $240,000 in private sector funding to pay for the BBB study.

Billionaire Ron Joyce, the Carmen's Group, FirstOntario Credit Union, LIUNA and Fengate Capital all contributed money to the study.

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I can easily see this being the new stadium/LRT debacle. Fight over whether we should spend $100 or $300 million for partial or full renovation. Some might even want start from scratch instead of reno.
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