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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 8:35 PM
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given their track record, i trust core urban to get the job done correctly with a top notch finished product
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New windows being put in. Wonder if they are going to fix the "missing tooth" of the brick on the side of that center arch at the end.. also hope they aren't gonna keep the metal colour of those window frames..



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Would love to see a similar finish to the pinky rock as its sister around the corner got:



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Also check this out! I found a postcard showing what the building beside it ORIGINALLY looked like! It was originally much different because it had one of those fancy sloped roofs on top! (I am going to assume late 1800s very early 1900s for this image)

Also shows the ORIGINAL cornice on 10 james st - pretty cool! Shows the original buildings beside it that even predate Zellars - cool! Wish something similar would go back up

Also the building beside it kinda evened it out, being roughly the same height as 10 James, making the tall building the center between the 2.. looks a lot more balanced that way.

You can even see how the windows swung out when they were opened, I don't recall ever seeing that before! Love the awnings too - I miss them, adds character!



There's this image too but it's not quite as good:



Also look at those american flags hanging from graftons, I bet you'd never be able to get away with that nowadays..

At some point in history (sometime before the 1920s as this image still shows the OLD lister block design) these facades were rebuilt - as you can see somewhat in this image here, which predates the tip top tailors sign:



and then once AGAIN rebuilt around the zellars time (sadly no good frontal image of the building in question seems to be available..)



I miss those gabled roofs too - a lot of the buildings downtown look kinda bland now because the original gabled roofs or roof accents are no longer there..
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 11:32 PM
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Also look at those american flags hanging from graftons, I bet you'd never be able to get away with that nowadays..
I think those are Canadian flags on the Grafton's building - the Red Ensign design used before the current 1965 Maple Leaf design.


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I think those are Canadian flags on the Grafton's building - the Red Ensign design used before the current 1965 Maple Leaf design.
You may be right, it's hard to tell if the crest on the right is on the flags or not..

..and wow how similar it was to the american flag in structure..
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I think those are Canadian flags on the Grafton's building - the Red Ensign design used before the current 1965 Maple Leaf design.


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It looks more like an American flag to me. The UK Flag within the Red Ensign is bigger than the 50 star section on the American flag, and the proportions look more like the American flag.
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I have no doubt that Core Urban will do a great job with this building, I'd love them to buy any and every old building in the city, Chesters on the Gore is/was currently for sale. I'd also love if they got the old buildings at the corner of York/Wilson/James across from City Centre One of the store fronts literally has newspaper in the window.
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There's this image too but it's not quite as good:



Also look at those american flags hanging from graftons, I bet you'd never be able to get away with that nowadays...
What's your best guess on this photo? I'd put it somewhere around 1910.

That streetcar line appears to be electrified so it's post-1892.

The Bank of Hamilton had already been renovated from a three-story building to a skyscraper, so that would put it post-1905.

I'm not good with cars but that's definitely one on the left.

Anyway, I'm not sure if there was some sort of occasion around 1910 that warranted flying Old Glory. Perhaps a presidential election? The end of the Philippine War? Or maybe they just thought it looked pretty. A lot of these businessmen had close ties to the States, either born there or studied there or had a lot customers just across the border or all of the above.

Ah, here it is! Hamilton's (kind of) centennial - 1913.
scroll down - http://www.hamiltonpostcards.com/pag...calevents.html
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What's your best guess on this photo? I'd put it somewhere around 1910.

That streetcar line appears to be electrified so it's post-1892.

The Bank of Hamilton had already been renovated from a three-story building to a skyscraper, so that would put it post-1905.

I'm not good with cars but that's definitely one on the left.

Anyway, I'm not sure if there was some sort of occasion around 1910 that warranted flying Old Glory. Perhaps a presidential election? The end of the Philippine War? Or maybe they just thought it looked pretty. A lot of these businessmen had close ties to the States, either born there or studied there or had a lot customers just across the border or all of the above.

Ah, here it is! Hamilton's (kind of) centennial - 1913.
scroll down - http://www.hamiltonpostcards.com/pag...calevents.html

nice- yeah I was going to say it has to have at the earliest been 1905 because graftons started to branch out in 1889 and the hamilton branch was created within the next 16 years, that coupled with the additions on the bank would mnake it at least 1905.

And graftons is definitely a canadian founded company so flying american flags just wouldn't make sense in retrospect.
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What doesn't make sense today may have made perfect sense then.

And it wasn't that long ago they played God Bless America at all Blue Jay home games.

p.s. And if you think we have identity issues today just imagine what it must have been like then. I don't think many Canadians identified as 'Canadian' - that started post-WWI. And I'm not sure the Red Ensign was particularly popular either...
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What doesn't make sense today may have made perfect sense then.

And it wasn't that long ago they played God Bless America at all Blue Jay home games.

p.s. And if you think we have identity issues today just imagine what it must have been like then. I don't think many Canadians identified as 'Canadian' - that started post-WWI. And I'm not sure the Red Ensign was particularly popular either...
yeah, in the days of upper and lower canada, of the states, where they didn't identify as a country, but whatever colony "state" they came from - of the colonies against the loyalists, of us burning the white house down, of the battle between us in stoney creek..

now they just look at us as a novelty country, and we look at them as an arrogant country lol..
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Framing for the curtain wall glass on the penthouse has gone up. Looks like they'll start dropping glass panels in any day now.
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The Alley | 12/13/17 by Joe, on Flickr


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What's with the particle board all over the facade?

Also looks like they filled that missing piece in in the arch
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OOO! OOO!

Hmm looks like they are deviating away from the original design.. not sure what I think of the pure curtain wall look.. they took out the one architectural element that I found gave it some personality.. now the addition is just another boring glazed box imo.. way to be innovative.. almost no details of the render look like what is being built.. I wonder how much the city shot down.. call me old fashioned but I am not a fan of "exposing the structural elements" - some people might see it as chic, I simply see it as architecturally lazy. It's not like the 1800s where the steel construction itself had decorative elements to it - just makes it look like a warehouse.

I also hate the fact you can see the beams through the windows - the original design elements worked to cover those up..



This makes me worry that they are going to cheapen out on the cornice too..

also this is interesting:

https://www.thepublicrecord.ca/2016/...-zoning-bylaw/

Apparently the old buildings don't conform to the new building requirements as they are too grand - their windows are too large and the ceiling heights are too high - who the hell limits ambition like that when it was allowed in the past? No wonder new stuff tends to be boring..
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What a positive transformation. Well done so far!
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Why is the city limiting ceiling height and the size of windows on upper stories? That's nuts, but I suppose not surprising.
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I appreciate the minimal curtain wall design. Fits nicely into the background and doesn't overwhelm the heritage.
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It looks more like an American flag to me. The UK Flag within the Red Ensign is bigger than the 50 star section on the American flag, and the proportions look more like the American flag.
You can easily make out that those are union jacks in the canton.
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