216th Interchange/Highway 1 Improvements | Compleated

[dharper]

Does anyone have any information on when this project is going to start? The information I could dig up was the beginning of 2016, and the Summer/Fall of 2016. It is still the Fall, but I can't find any information on the project, other than people complaining about it, from the last year.
I have seen the surveyors out around 216th on Hwy 1, again in the last week, and one of them was carrying a shovel. Hopefully they were uncovering an overgrown survey point for construction to start.

[Marshal]

Originally Posted by dharper

Does anyone have any information on when this project is going to start? The information I could dig up was the beginning of 2016, and the Summer/Fall of 2016. It is still the Fall, but I can't find any information on the project, other than people complaining about it, from the last year.
I have seen the surveyors out around 216th on Hwy 1, again in the last week, and one of them was carrying a shovel. Hopefully they were uncovering an overgrown survey point for construction to start.

I have no real answer for you, except that, if survey work is being done in a major way (have you seen them in one spot or all over?) it means that the design process is far from complete - the design team would be waiting for the survey dwgs in order to push the conceptual design drawings forward towards construction documents. For large but simple civil work, this need not take more than a few months.

And no, construction never begins with a surveyor and his one trusty shovel.

[officedweller]

The MoTI website only has the discussion Guide from March 2016 - which has diagrams of the layout.

http://engage.gov.bc.ca/highway1and216/abouttheproject/

Strange that the diagrams only show 2 general purpose eastbound lanes when the write-up says they'll be adding one (presumably to be 3 general purpose eastbound lanes). The diagrams show 3 westbound general purpose lanes.

[dharper]

Originally Posted by Marshal

I have no real answer for you, except that, if survey work is being done in a major way (have you seen them in one spot or all over?) it means that the design process is far from complete - the design team would be waiting for the survey dwgs in order to push the conceptual design drawings forward towards construction documents. For large but simple civil work, this need not take more than a few months.

And no, construction never begins with a surveyor and his one trusty shovel.

I forgot to mention in this thread(I did in the closed Port Mann Hwy1 thread), the surveyors were out every day, for several months starting in December last year. Then there was nothing for the summer months. And now they have been back for several days now.

[Marshal]

Originally Posted by dharper

I forgot to mention in this thread(I did in the closed Port Mann Hwy1 thread), the surveyors were out every day, for several months starting in December last year. Then there was nothing for the summer months. And now they have been back for several days now.

Again, I don't know this project, but your description makes sense. They were out first to gather all relevant information required for the design, then there was design time (and a lot of other tasks), and recently they could be out to get information specific to the design that was developed: checking locations and their local geology, checking bearing capacities, checking extents and volumes of material that may need to be removed, and so on.

[go_leafs_go02]

I heard work was to begin in the fall. Hope it goes forward, it is desperately needed.

[ConventionalMan]

Last I heard from a neighbor, it's still going forward. And still planned to be complete by Fall 2019. I live about 2 blocks west of 216th north of the freeway and will benefit DIRECTLY from an easier and quicker access route to HWY1.

However, having said that, I can see the uproar over changed (?) plans causing grief. 216th north of Hwy1 is nothing more than a dead end, 2 lane road until you get to 88th. I can see how that becoming a noisy access to the freeway would upst people, plus the farmland/acreage east of 216th at that point makes things pretty peaceful. Then it gets much wider, future four lanes wide by the looks of it, up to 96th, then dead end again. One of the schools mentioned is already on a busy road too (88th and 216th)

I already hear the freeway traffic (plus trains along Glover Road and Yeomans Cres - both a long way away) most days, depending on the wind direction, and it blends in after a while. The homes nearest HWY1 already have this noise, plus mostly back onto 216th so I don't see safety being a concern. Also, sound walls. The only thing I can see happening is people short-cutting through the Forest Hills subdivision and creating hazards there. Perhaps traffic calming (bumps?) can be used there along Telegraph Trail.

We bought here 10 years ago and had an idea that interchange would happen. The plans weren't solid but realistically its not hard to figure out where that future overpass would be located. Logically, that's where it fits. That's why I can't figure out why everyone seems so surprised about it.

[go_leafs_go02]

Originally Posted by ConventionalMan

Last I heard from a neighbor, it's still going forward. And still planned to be complete by Fall 2019. I live about 2 blocks west of 216th north of the freeway and will benefit DIRECTLY from an easier and quicker access route to HWY1.

However, having said that, I can see the uproar over changed (?) plans causing grief. 216th north of Hwy1 is nothing more than a dead end, 2 lane road until you get to 88th. I can see how that becoming a noisy access to the freeway would upst people, plus the farmland/acreage east of 216th at that point makes things pretty peaceful. Then it gets much wider, future four lanes wide by the looks of it, up to 96th, then dead end again. One of the schools mentioned is already on a busy road too (88th and 216th)

I already hear the freeway traffic (plus trains along Glover Road and Yeomans Cres - both a long way away) most days, depending on the wind direction, and it blends in after a while. The homes nearest HWY1 already have this noise, plus mostly back onto 216th so I don't see safety being a concern. Also, sound walls. The only thing I can see happening is people short-cutting through the Forest Hills subdivision and creating hazards there. Perhaps traffic calming (bumps?) can be used there along Telegraph Trail.

We bought here 10 years ago and had an idea that interchange would happen. The plans weren't solid but realistically its not hard to figure out where that future overpass would be located. Logically, that's where it fits. That's why I can't figure out why everyone seems so surprised about it.

Look at 216 Street north of 88 Avenue and 96 Avenue. All they really need to do is install the median, ban the parking, and paint the lines to have 4 lanes total. It's just as wide from curb to curb as it is on 88 Avenue. It's actually a truck route and part of the Major Road Network at this point (although Trucks never would have a use to go on it).

You can also see on the northwest corner of the future interchange that they protected areas significantly for future ramps. That's why houses don't back onto the highway by 216 Street the same way as 208 Street.

I used to live really close to Walnut Grove Drive and 88 Avenue, but in the last month, packed up and moved back to Ontario. Was extremely excited for the interchange to go in, and I'm sure the outcry from resident's wasn't strong enough to change anything since it's in the township and ministries plans and always has been for the last decade or two at least. Residents upset should have done their due diligence.

[proudcanuck]

Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

Look at 216 Street north of 88 Avenue and 96 Avenue. All they really need to do is install the median, ban the parking, and paint the lines to have 4 lanes total. It's just as wide from curb to curb as it is on 88 Avenue. It's actually a truck route and part of the Major Road Network at this point (although Trucks never would have a use to go on it).

You can also see on the northwest corner of the future interchange that they protected areas significantly for future ramps. That's why houses don't back onto the highway by 216 Street the same way as 208 Street.

I used to live really close to Walnut Grove Drive and 88 Avenue, but in the last month, packed up and moved back to Ontario. Was extremely excited for the interchange to go in, and I'm sure the outcry from resident's wasn't strong enough to change anything since it's in the township and ministries plans and always has been for the last decade or two at least. Residents upset should have done their due diligence.

Every streetlight from 96th up to 88th have parking signs that read "Temp Parking Area Future Travel Lane" and these signs have been there for years. They can be seen from google streetview.

IMO if you live that close to a freeway as that you should expect that there will be upgrades to it. Trying to have the project scrapped has no benefit to the majority. Work with the MOTI to have issues addressed and help benefit you area. Anyone who has lived in the Walnut Grove/Yorkson/Fort Langley area in the past 10 years has seen the area spread east and it was just a matter of time before this was to happen.

[ConventionalMan]

Originally Posted by proudcanuck

Every streetlight from 96th up to 88th have parking signs that read "Temp Parking Area Future Travel Lane" and these signs have been there for years.

Yep, I forgot to mention those signs too...

[go_leafs_go02]

The engagement summary is out, plus a final design map:

http://engage.gov.bc.ca/highway1and2...ummary-report/

Looks like this will start construction soonish.

[Cypherus]

Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

The engagement summary is out, plus a final design map:

http://engage.gov.bc.ca/highway1and2...ummary-report/

Looks like this will start construction soonish.

Thanks for sharing. The eastbound off ramp looks short and I can see the intersection causing backups during rush hour where it can pour onto into eastbound traffic on Hwy 1. I was hoping the MoT would acknowledge the same issue of westbound traffic on Hwy 1 queuing during rush hour to get off 176th to take the SFPR.

[dharper]

Finally got an update email. Here is the link enclosed.

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/tr...highway1-216th

[fredinno]

I'd rather see a 4-lane overpass on 208 first. The land on both sides of 216 are still too low density to justify it. Meanwhile, 208 is bursting at the seams. I'd wait a bit longer while Willowby develops some more.

A Bike Lane along Telegraph Trail and the new 216 would be fine as well. Pretty nice to bike up that route (better than 88 and 212 or 208, at least), except that one part that goes uphill right up to 88 from the North.

[urbancanadian]

^^Thanks for the update.

Originally Posted by fredinno

I'd rather see a 4-lane overpass on 208 first. The land on both sides of 216 are still too low density to justify it. Meanwhile, 208 is bursting at the seams. I'd wait a bit longer while Willowby develops some more.

I hear you but there's already a business park and retail development proposed at the interchange. Once this is built there won't be a whole lot more development east of 208th Street. Much of the Williams area is planned to remain as is.


http://form.ca/hwy1_216street.pdf

There is also an arterial road planned to run along 80th Avenue from 216th Street, which will turn south onto 212th and eventually connect with 208th. This will relieve some of the pressure from 208th Street once it's built. Here's a quick map showing the new arterial curving south at 80th & 212th, with 80th meeting it in a T-intersection.

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by urbancanadian

^^Thanks for the update.



I hear you but there's already a business park and retail development proposed at the interchange. Once this is built there won't be a whole lot more development east of 208th Street. Much of the Williams area is planned to remain as is.


http://form.ca/hwy1_216street.pdf

There is also an arterial road planned to run along 80th Avenue from 216th Street, which will turn south onto 212th and eventually connect with 208th. This will relieve some of the pressure from 208th Street once it's built. Here's a quick map showing the new arterial curving south at 80th & 212th, with 80th meeting it in a T-intersection.

Good lord that aerial photo is depressing to look at will all that sprawl along 208. Would it kill them to at least leave some of the greenery for a a few sizable parks or greenways. Nothing left. Oh yeah and let's improve traffic flow by adding more ligths instead of roundabouts or something. Yawn.

[urbancanadian]

To be fair, it could very well end up being a roundabout that's built there. I have no idea what the plan is other than the rough route. EDIT - You're probably referring to the first pic.

I also came across this on the Township of Langley's website. Looks like 80th Avenue will be extended east to Glover Road in conjunction with watermain construction:


http://www.tol.ca/Current-News-Initi...pital-Projects

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by flipper316

Good lord that aerial photo is depressing to look at will all that sprawl along 208. Would it kill them to at least leave some of the greenery for a a few sizable parks or greenways. Nothing left. Oh yeah and let's improve traffic flow by adding more ligths instead of roundabouts or something. Yawn.

It would kill them. Land is expensive.

In any case, can't they build both a 208 st 4-lane overpass? It's because 208 is jammed pretty deep already. Are there plans for that?

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by fredinno

It would kill them. Land is expensive.

In any case, can't they build both a 208 st 4-lane overpass? It's because 208 is jammed pretty deep already. Are there plans for that?

This is BC don't bet on it. They love leaving two lane roads as is. Look at 152nd street over Highway 99. An arguably busier road and still only a 2 lane piece of shit.

[dharper]

This from an email I received from TRAN 216Interchange TRAN:EX. I guess that is the name for this project.


Thanks for contacting the 216 St. Interchange and Highway 1 Project Email. Your comments have been received and recorded.

The project is currently tendered and construction is expected to begin in late March/April of 2017. Completion is scheduled for late 2019.

You can check back soon on the project website to add your email to the quarterly project update database. Visit: http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/tr...highway1-216th