HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Transportation & Infrastructure

Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #141  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2010, 5:25 PM
officedweller officedweller is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 26,767
Thanks for posting!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #142  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2010, 6:33 PM
crazyjoeda's Avatar
crazyjoeda crazyjoeda is offline
Mac User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 861
That is great news! It makes sense because the cost of building and operating a gondola are probably similar to providing frequent high-capacity bus service only more efficient and effective.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #143  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2010, 6:53 PM
wrenegade's Avatar
wrenegade wrenegade is offline
ON3P Skis
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Lower Lonsdale, North Vancouver, BC
Posts: 2,593
I think this would be a effin' wicked project. Especially if you could adapt or combine the cut to become hiking/mountain biking trails (or with existing). The gondola could become a tourist attraction in itself, all for the price of a bus ticket!
__________________
Flickr
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #144  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2010, 9:57 PM
tybuilding tybuilding is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 890
I am glad they mentioned cycling. I go to Burnaby Mountain at least a few times a year to downhill bike. Usually we ride the bus up. A gondola would be awesome!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #145  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2010, 10:39 PM
djmk's Avatar
djmk djmk is offline
victory in near
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: North Vancouver
Posts: 1,059
this is great!

2.8.13 says it will be unstaffed and 2.10.2 says certain bus routs will be cut back.

right there shaves couple hundred thousand in wage costs

however, i am sure there still is a need for a community bus on top of the hill.
__________________
i have no idea what's going on
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #146  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2010, 10:57 PM
vanlaw vanlaw is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 654
So what kind of gondola cabins do you guys think would be appropriate for this? According to Wikipedia, which we all know is dead accurate the Peak 2 Peak has 28 cabins with 28 person capacity each. It makes the 4.4 km trip in 11 min, and has capacity of approx 4100pph.

As the "crow flies" on flat map Production Way station to top of hill is approx 2.8 km, so with the altitude increase, perhaps 3.25km??? Do you think they would go with a cabin similar to peak 2 peak at 28 people, or larger with fewer trips?

What’s the capacity of the buses that run up the hill right now from Prod Way and how often do they run at peak?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #147  
Old Posted Sep 22, 2010, 11:20 PM
nname nname is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,078
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanlaw View Post
What’s the capacity of the buses that run up the hill right now from Prod Way and how often do they run at peak?
Currently there are 23 runs between 9 and 10am, so thats about a bus every 2.6 minutes, or around 2600 pphpd.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #148  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 1:44 AM
Waders Waders is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,248
Quote:
Originally Posted by allan_kuan View Post
Very cool development, although I highly doubt this will take off completely without some sort of PPP due to the priorities already set out by TransLink and Metro Vancouver for the next few years.

This makes me want to ask as an off-topic question: how should PPPs be financed after their construction? Should revenue come from a surcharge on top of regular fares (which would be made easier btw by a smart-card system) or should it come directly from existing transit revenues?

BTW, I have no bias towards SFU, and in fact I even go there if anybody's wondering. It's just that the funding issues with TransLink are so restrictive towards other developments that I'm almost willing to pay more for an upgrade from the slow crawl that characterizes most students' commutes to campus.
The RFP refers to PPP multiple times. The project will be a P3 partnership if it ever get the approval.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #149  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 2:38 AM
Metro-One's Avatar
Metro-One Metro-One is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Japan
Posts: 12,540
One would think SFU should be the third party member to pay
__________________
Bridging the Gap
Check out my Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/306346...h/29495547810/ and Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV0...lhxXFxuAey_q6Q
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #150  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 3:12 AM
Waders Waders is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,248
UniverCity, a sustainable urban community that will eventually house 10,000 people on Burnaby Mountain, would be one of the major beneficiary of the gondola.
So SFU Community Corporation, which manages the development of the UniverCity community, should also be a partner.
It is interesting to note one of the Board Director is Jane Bird, the former CEO of Canada Line Rapid Transit Inc.
Source: http://www.univercity.ca/home.42.html
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #151  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 3:42 AM
Waders Waders is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,248
From CTV news, a picture about the gondola route.

Source: http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNew...ola_100922.jpg

Full article is at http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...shColumbiaHome
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #152  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 3:53 AM
Waders Waders is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,248
Apparently Doppelmayr Garaventa Group, which built the Peak 2 Peak, said it would be interested in building the SFU tramway.
The company has already done a feasibility study on the project

See full news article at http://www.vancouversun.com/news/the...#ixzz10Jz3Pp88
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #153  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 4:45 AM
Millennium2002 Millennium2002 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,699
The gondola / aerial tram developments are great but it also sparks a debate in my mind about which technologies are the best for handling the large crowds that often exist at the bus loop.

In the case of gondolas, there's are many cars with frequent service, but capacity in each car will be consequently smaller.

An aerial tram is much less frequent but carries more per load. There are also possibilities about using double-decker trams or even two tracks of trams (sort of like what happens in Grouse Mountain). This is the option I currently prefer because of the fact that I perceive tram cars to be able to carry more due to their size, which may or may not be true in the end. (Can someone verify?)

An alternate to both overhead options would be a funicular, which is essentially two trains underground at opposite ends of the hill that are connected by rope. This may have the highest capacity depending on how things are built but it'd also be the most expensive due to the extensive tunneling required.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #154  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 5:03 AM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam/Rainbow Lake
Posts: 31,376
whatever it is in portland would be good here


www.portlandbridges.com
__________________
belowitall
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #155  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 5:07 AM
jlousa's Avatar
jlousa jlousa is offline
Ferris Wheel Hater
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 8,034
The case study I linked to explains most of your questions.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #156  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 5:24 AM
Millennium2002 Millennium2002 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,699
Thanks. =)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #157  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 6:23 AM
SFUVancouver's Avatar
SFUVancouver SFUVancouver is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Kamloops
Posts: 5,321
I'm absolutely thrilled to see the proposal advance to the Translink RFP stage.

I believe that the SFU Community Trust has been pondering the idea since it was founded. I first heard about the idea in 2007 and I was offered the chance to do the initial feasibility report for the Trust. In early 2008 I finished my report titled The Promise of Gondola Rapid Transit: A Green High Speed Link for the Growing Burnaby Mountain Community. The Trust followed up on my report by hiring a professional technical consultant to do a thorough study and gratifyingly we reached the same conclusions. As a student who was learning as I went I am proud to have generated very similar numbers to what made it into the Translink RFP too.
__________________
VANCOUVER | Beautiful, Multicultural | Canada's Pacific Metropolis

Last edited by SFUVancouver; Sep 23, 2010 at 6:45 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #158  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 6:30 AM
Alex Mackinnon's Avatar
Alex Mackinnon Alex Mackinnon is offline
Can I has a tunnel?
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Strathcona
Posts: 1,693
I'd go for the gondola style lift rather than a tram. With a gondola as long as you overspec the support cables you can add additional cabins on in the future.

Also, you'd have to have massive cable trams to meet that kind of capacity with only a 2 cabin system. If you've got an avg. line speed of about 20km/h, and take a minute to load/offload on each end, you're only getting 3.4 round trips per tram line per hour. Big freaking cabins.
__________________
"It's ok, I'm an engineer!" -Famous last words
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #159  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 6:33 AM
mezzanine's Avatar
mezzanine mezzanine is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,861
This would be awesome.....

Interestingly, I went to Portland on labour day and the OHSC aerial tram was closed for the holiday. If they build it, make sure it is geared for frequent use.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #160  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2010, 6:34 AM
hollywoodnorth's Avatar
hollywoodnorth hollywoodnorth is offline
Blazed Member - Citygater
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Downtown Vancouver
Posts: 5,432
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFUVancouver View Post
I'm absolutely thrilled to see the proposal advance to the Translink RFP stage.

I believe that the SFU Community Trust has been pondering the idea since it was founded. I first heard about the idea in 2007 and I was offered the chance to do the initial feasibility report for the Trust. In early 2008 I finished my report titled The Promise of Gondola Rapid Transit: A Green High Speed Link for the Growing Burnaby Mountain Community. The Trust followed up on my report by hiring a professional technical consultant to do a thorough study and gratifyingly we reached the same conclusions. As a student who was learning as I went I am gratified to have generated very similar numbers to what made it into the Translink RFP.
well it goes with out says that your the man

cheers!
__________________
http://www.votesmartbc.com
http://www.riskydix.ca
http://www.dixshiddenplan.ca

Quote of the Decade on SSP: "what happens would it be?" - argon007
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Transportation & Infrastructure
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 1:21 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.