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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 6:49 AM
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Ok don't want to get into Vegas debate about fan base but I will FACT The casinos bought up a lot of " season tickets " and give them away. FACT When the Jets and Oilers were in Vegas over 5,000 fans came from each city to watch the games , if they are such a good fan base how can fans obtain 5,000 tickets to go to the game ? ANSWER Casinos bought up tickets and sold them on secondary market . Just like in Phoenix and to a lesser extent Tampa lots of former ex pats have moved there to escape winter climate and purchase tickets to their team . In Phoenix not uncommon to see half the crowd cheer for the other team .
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 7:02 AM
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Just to add 1 season does not make somebody a " hardcore fan " it is their first professional team in Vegas so naturally gravitate to it , civic pride , also Nevada is about 3 million population almost 2 million in metro Vegas so a TV rating assuming 100,000 are watching isn't that much considering any Cdn city depending on size will crush that ! Heck almost 40,000 at street party and in arena watching game , Winnipeg just over 810,000 metro and province at 1.3 million . True ill give you people who moved there from northern climates will have passion for hockey but the born and bred Las Vegas natives not so much. Anywhere in Canada where team is going to conference final would blow Vegas out of the water on people watching the game , again it's the first year and they have had an amazing start ! Americans in general do not watch the NHL in big numbers sometimes 5 th or 6 th on the totem pole ! Bettman can spin it however he wants but the NHL in the States has bad viewing numbers compared to NFL, NBA , MLB and NASCAR and college sports . GO JETS GO
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 11:58 AM
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 1:35 PM
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Not gonna lie. I wanted NSH to win because they've been around for a while now and I can appreciate the support of the fans there and how their franchise has been run. And I wanted to see PK and Rinne win the cup after coming agonizingly close last year.

The Jets are on the ascendancy and I figured they have more time to get to the holy land than the Preds do.

I hate this playoff format and wasn't happy the #1 and #2 teams had to play each other already.

Anyway, now that the Jets are through I'm all in. Love the way the team has been constructed, though I don't like Maurice as a coach.

Vegas is a nice story but they haven't "paid their dues" if you will. But if they did win the cup it's not like I'd be disappointed.

If TB won I'd be happy that Stammer gets a cup.

If WSH, well in the past I'd be happy for Ovi, but after seeing him get all buddy buddy with Putin, I lost my respect for him. Mind you, in the USSR days, a top athlete like him could easily have been forced to do that by threat to his family. I won't discount that as a possibility now.

But I would be happy for Ted Leonsis, the owner.
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Interesting playoffs so far.

I'm a fan of three of the four teams remaining, which will keep my interest going for the remainder of the playoffs.

1) - Winnipeg is Canada's de facto team (go Jets!!)
2) - Washington is the US city I have spent the most time in (close to three months of my life so far, including one six week stint at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology when I was a resident), and I really like the city. I also really like Ovi and it's time he had a chance to hoist the cup......
3) - Vegas is such a Cinderella story, it's difficult not to root for them, but do they really deserve the cup - now that's the question......

Tampa is the only city that I'm not currently a fan of.

So, overall, I would love to see the Jets or Caps to win. Vegas comes third and Tampa is dead last.
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 1:48 PM
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 1:50 PM
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So that's one more current NHL team/city that will make the finals since the Leafs last appearance.

Only 3 teams/cities left:

Winnipeg or Vegas
Arizona
Columbus
Interesting stat. I often equated the Leafs' futility with the Red Sox, White Sox and Cubs. Historical franchises that went so long without winning the championship.

The Leafs haven't gone as long as those teams did, but as you pointed out, the Leafs haven't even made the finals since. And there were fewer teams to compete against to get there. And lots of teams have the opportunity to get there in the NHL playoffs while in baseball it was two per league.

It seemed almost impossible to not make the finals after all these years just due to statistical probability. Like all you had to do was exist as a franchise and it was only a matter of time before you went on a run in the playoffs and made the final. Lots parity in the NHL, unlike the NBA.

In the NBA I'm counting nine franchises that haven't made it.

NFL since advent of SB is four if I'm not mistaken.

MLB I believe is two teams.
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1) - Winnipeg is Canada's de facto team (go Jets!!)
There's more Canadian players on Vegas than Winnipeg, though.

This whole Canada's Team nonsense needs to stop yesterday.

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Interesting stat. I often equated the Leafs' futility with the Red Sox, White Sox and Cubs. Historical franchises that went so long without winning the championship.
Leafs have the record for longest drought between Stanley Cup Finals (50 years) but the Rangers still have the drought for the longest time between Cup wins (53 years, between 1940 and 1994). Chicago went 47 years between 1961 and 2010.
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Interesting stat. I often equated the Leafs' futility with the Red Sox, White Sox and Cubs. Historical franchises that went so long without winning the championship.

The Leafs haven't gone as long as those teams did, but as you pointed out, the Leafs haven't even made the finals since. And there were fewer teams to compete against to get there. And lots of teams have the opportunity to get there in the NHL playoffs while in baseball it was two per league.

It seemed almost impossible to not make the finals after all these years just due to statistical probability. Like all you had to do was exist as a franchise and it was only a matter of time before you went on a run in the playoffs and made the final. Lots parity in the NHL, unlike the NBA.

In the NBA I'm counting nine franchises that haven't made it.

NFL since advent of SB is four if I'm not mistaken.

MLB I believe is two teams.

Another comparable to the Leafs would be the Bombers. Haven't won the GC since 1990 despite being in such a small league with so much parity.
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 2:05 PM
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Another comparable to the Leafs would be the Bombers. Haven't won the GC since 1990 despite being in such a small league with so much parity.
The NHL has a fairly large number of teams now so it's not surprising to have a couple of outliers. But with the Bombers it's reaching the point of absurdity.

The funny thing is that a few teams have gone through extended Grey Cup droughts... Sask for basically the first 50 years of their existence, then the Argos for over 30 years.
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Just to add 1 season does not make somebody a " hardcore fan " it is their first professional team in Vegas so naturally gravitate to it , civic pride , also Nevada is about 3 million population almost 2 million in metro Vegas so a TV rating assuming 100,000 are watching isn't that much considering any Cdn city depending on size will crush that ! Heck almost 40,000 at street party and in arena watching game , Winnipeg just over 810,000 metro and province at 1.3 million . True ill give you people who moved there from northern climates will have passion for hockey but the born and bred Las Vegas natives not so much. Anywhere in Canada where team is going to conference final would blow Vegas out of the water on people watching the game , again it's the first year and they have had an amazing start ! Americans in general do not watch the NHL in big numbers sometimes 5 th or 6 th on the totem pole ! Bettman can spin it however he wants but the NHL in the States has bad viewing numbers compared to NFL, NBA , MLB and NASCAR and college sports . GO JETS GO
Ugh. Growth potential is worth everything. The sport has peaked in Canada. There's only one direction it can go and that's downward. European expansion should be higher on the list than placing many more teams in Canada.
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 2:09 PM
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The NHL has a fairly large number of teams now so it's not surprising to have a couple of outliers. But with the Bombers it's reaching the point of absurdity.

The funny thing is that a few teams have gone through extended Grey Cup droughts... Sask for basically the first 50 years of their existence, then the Argos for over 30 years.

Ya, those too!
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Ugh. Growth potential is worth everything. The sport has peaked in Canada. There's only one direction it can go and that's downward. European expansion should be higher on the list than placing many more teams in Canada.
I love that idea, get a team in each of the Scandinavian capitals, and maybe Russia too. Those are more natural markets.
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 2:22 PM
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There's more Canadian players on Vegas than Winnipeg, though.

This whole Canada's Team nonsense needs to stop yesterday.


Leafs have the record for longest drought between Stanley Cup Finals (50 years) but the Rangers still have the drought for the longest time between Cup wins (53 years, between 1940 and 1994). Chicago went 47 years between 1961 and 2010.

True. However, this just reminded me of the 50 mile territorial rule I heard about many years ago on the radio. I just looked it up again. It's funny how this is almost never mentioned by hockey media, at least in the media I've always consumed.

"Original 6" started in 1942 and ended in 1967. During almost this whole time:

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The league had a rule that gave each team exclusive rights to negotiate contracts with promising local players within 50 miles of its home ice. If a player was not within the 50-mile limit, that player was free to field offers from any team.[3] Once a player agreed to an NHL sponsorship-level contract, the NHL club could assign him to its sponsored junior squad – its "sponsorship list".

Since Toronto and Montreal's metropolitan areas contained abundant hockey prospects, this put them at a major recruiting advantage over Boston, New York, and Chicago, which had very few such prospects in their territories. Detroit had Southwestern Ontario as part of its territory; it thus did not have the major advantage of the Canadian teams but were better positioned than the other American ones.[4]

This phenomenon had the impact of limiting player movement, and as a result the Original Six rosters were very static.

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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 3:12 PM
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Interesting stat. I often equated the Leafs' futility with the Red Sox, White Sox and Cubs. Historical franchises that went so long without winning the championship.

The Leafs haven't gone as long as those teams did, but as you pointed out, the Leafs haven't even made the finals since. And there were fewer teams to compete against to get there. And lots of teams have the opportunity to get there in the NHL playoffs while in baseball it was two per league.

It seemed almost impossible to not make the finals after all these years just due to statistical probability. Like all you had to do was exist as a franchise and it was only a matter of time before you went on a run in the playoffs and made the final. Lots parity in the NHL, unlike the NBA.
This will be the 3rd year in a row a team has made the finals who has never made it before (either Winnipeg or Vegas)... Nashville came off the list last year and the Sharks the year before.

Now we have to remember, I stated team/city because we had some relocations at play.
It's been a long time for Winnipeg/Jets as well, but the city/team has only been in the NHL for a total of about 25 years - which is half the time since the Leafs have made it.

The Wild have never made the finals, but the North Stars have... so they're not on the list as it's city/team.

The Blues are very close to the Leafs as their last appearance was in the 69-70 season.

I guess Seattle will be added to the list when they get their team.

You figure the Leafs are due at some point. I'm getting close to 50 years old and it's weird still not having witnessed the Leafs in the finals.
About 9 years ago the Penguins beat the Red Wings in the Cup. I started watching hockey in 1976, which is also only 9 years removed from the Leafs winning the Cup. It's hard to equate the two - but I guess it's because I experienced the former and not the latter.
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