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Old Posted May 21, 2010, 1:52 PM
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You know what. You are right. Brooklyn does make them seem small and somewhat insignifigant if you go with that name. New York is the better choice.
I don't know where you people get that. Most people know what Brooklyn is, nothing "insignificant" about it. But more importantly, they want to really differentiate it from the Knicks. Obviously it could be the "New York whatever", but naming the team the "Brooklyn something givest it that extra distinction. It's why the Yankees are oftern refered to as the "Bronx Bombers". Everyone knows it's New York, but they're in the Bronx baby. Nothing small time about it.
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Old Posted May 21, 2010, 8:28 PM
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It is going to be "The Brooklyn ---", not new York. I'm 99.8% sure. You don't think every kid in the country is gonna wanna jersey with BROOKLYN across the chest?

New York is sophisticated. Brooklyn is cool.
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Old Posted May 21, 2010, 9:02 PM
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It is going to be "The Brooklyn ---", not new York. I'm 99.8% sure. You don't think every kid in the country is gonna wanna jersey with BROOKLYN across the chest?

New York is sophisticated. Brooklyn is cool.
Every kid??? Quite honestly.. No not every kid. You know why, cause kids out there like teams in their own cities.

Would it have some nice fashion appeal?? Sure maybe a bit, depends on the logo and the name. But to say EVERY KID is way to far fetched.
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Old Posted May 21, 2010, 9:09 PM
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I think you had to take what he said with a grain of salt.

Anyway, I think it would be a little fresher to have the Brooklyn distinction evident directly in the name of the team. If his goal is to ‘redefine’ the team, then it makes sense.
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A huge part of the situation is going to deal with how interesting and appealing their logo / name is. It has to be simple and catchy.


For instance a logo like the Minnesota have.. theres just to much going on there. Doesnt work. Simple is best.
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Old Posted May 22, 2010, 4:24 PM
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Something like this always works, though they can be a little original with it, it's still the same thing...



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I still think they should be known as the NY Nets. For example a young kid who lives somewhere in upstate Ny will more likely support a NY team than a Brooklyn team because he associates himself with him being from New York, not from Brooklyn also The NY Nets has historical relevance.
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Old Posted May 23, 2010, 1:35 AM
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I still think they should be known as the NY Nets. For example a young kid who lives somewhere in upstate Ny will more likely support a NY team than a Brooklyn team
Well, if they move the team upstate, that'll be an issue. It's not an upstate team. It may be shocking to know, but there are Lakers fans in New York as well.

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Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg had Jay-Z over for breakfast at Gracie Mansion this morning. Also at the table were the developer Bruce C. Ratner and the Russian oligarch Mikhail D. Prokhorov. Presumably the main topic of conversation was Atlantic Yards and/or the Nets. But who knows? Perhaps you have an idea. Put yourself in an empire-building state of mind and let us know in the comments box below. And, please — hard as this may be to believe — no profanity.
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Old Posted May 24, 2010, 3:57 PM
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In the long run for sure, but I don't know how many are going to be rolled out initially. Remember the plaza in front is also one of the proposed slots for a tower.
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I was driving down by the site today, how on earth are they going to deal with all that traffic and congestion in the area. They probably have a plan its just i never heard anything about, anyone have any info?
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They probably have a plan its just i never heard anything
Thats what people and the media said when BP blew a hole in the earth that started spewing thousands of gallons of crude into the Gulf of Mexico.

"They probably have a plan."

People give to much credit to governments and city councilmen. You know what their plan is?? Hope the year 2040 comes sooner than later and flying cars begin flying off the assembly lines.
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I was driving down by the site today, how on earth are they going to deal with all that traffic and congestion in the area. They probably have a plan its just i never heard anything about, anyone have any info?
It was discussed years ago when the proposal first came out. Read up on it if it is a real concern. As far as the arena goes, there couldn't have been a better location in the city for it (other than on top of Penn Station. It at least has better subway access than Penn Station, and that's saying a lot. The only thing it doesn't have over MSG is direct access to Jersey. But only idiots would think of driving to either arena.
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As an average everyday American, the idea of traffic congestion being a gripe anywhere in NYC is absolutely laughable. To most of us Americans, gridlocked streets are one of the things that DEFINE NYC. As NYguy just said, anyone planning to drive to this arena is an idiot. If Brooklyn traffic is just now becoming gridlocked, then in my opinion that is just a sign that it is catching up to Manhattan.
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I was driving down by the site today, how on earth are they going to deal with all that traffic and congestion in the area. They probably have a plan its just i never heard anything about, anyone have any info?
If you don't wanna get stuck in traffic, take the subway. That's what it's there for.
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Politi: Prudential Center tour might get Mikhail Prokhorov thinking Nets belong in Newark -- long-term



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They stood on the Prudential Center concourse and gazed out at the Manhattan skyline in the distance.

“Very close,” Mikhail Prokhorov said.

“Yes. Very close,” his tour guide, Devils owner Jeff Vanderbeek, agreed.

They looked out the window just as a New Jersey Transit train rumbled past in the foreground.

“Does that train go underground to Manhattan?” Prokhorov asked.

“Yes. Yes it does,” Vanderbeek answered with a smile.

Prokhorov, wearing a gray pinstriped suit and a gray tie, nodded his head and continued his first tour of the Newark arena. He had purchased the Nets without seeing where they would play their games for the next two or three years, and that always struck me as a little odd.

Sure, his representatives came here from Moscow and watched a preseason game last fall, but still: Who spends a few hundred-million bucks without taking a quick tour of the place?

Then it hit me Monday as he loped through the arena suites and bars — including one appropriately named for a vodka company — and carefully studied the blueprint for the new NBA locker room.

Maybe there is a very good reason his new partners, the ones who needed his billions to make their boondoggle Brooklyn project a reality, decided to wait so long to take the oligarch to the Rock.

Maybe they didn’t want him to see it.

Prokhorov isn’t the second richest man in Russia for making poor business decisions. You had to wonder, as he walked through the pristine building and shot 3-pointers with the city’s charismatic mayor, if the thought at least popped into his sizable noggin.

I’m paying how many rubles to build a new arena in Brooklyn when this place is already here?!

If he was thinking it, he certainly wasn’t saying it. He spoke briefly to the press, admitting that he had no idea how nice the arena was but insisting it would be nothing more than a temporary home.

“It’s a great building,” he said. “We’re really happy. It will be a great home for the next two years for our team.”

Atlantic Yards is too far along, with the funding almost in place and the legal problems mostly erased, for Newark to hold out much hope beyond that. Even Mayor Cory Booker, the ultimate Newark optimist, admits the city’s best bet for a long-term basketball franchise is to sell out the building and showcase the potential to another struggling team.

Still, to borrow a quote from Gov. Chris Christie, “I haven’t seen any steel go in the ground yet.” It is unlikely that Brooklyn falls through. But it sure doesn’t hurt for Newark to make a good impression.


This was the first chance, and it was a success. Prokhorov and his entourage arrived just after 5:30 p.m. in a pair of black Mercedes, receiving a police escort that took them from the city’s border directly into the arena.

The tour was supposed to last 10 minutes, but seeing an opportunity, Vanderbeek took him everywhere. The hockey owner even stopped at one of the Devils team photos in the hallway outside the locker room to point out Slava Fetisov, but Prokhorov pointed him out first.

“There he is,” the Russian said, putting his finger on the face of his friend. “He looks much younger.”

Whenever Vanderbeek wasn’t at his side, Booker usually was. From the time he took office, Booker has understood the impact an NBA team could have on his city’s national image. Monday, he tried to make sure Prokhorov understood the impact it could have on his wallet, too.

“I’ve whispered in his ears as we’re walking along,” Booker said. “Anybody looking to be a part of an asset that’s only going to increase in value would be foolish to overlook the obvious trajectory that Newark is on.”

It is hard to say if Prokhorov saw that opportunity, and if he did, what it might mean. He wore his best poker face, as usual. When asked if he’d consider keeping the team in Newark for the long term, he answered, “Unfortunately, it is part of the business arrangement.”

He was standing near center court of one of the nicest arenas in the country as he spoke. No matter what happens, at least we know this: The man who bought a hole in the ground in Brooklyn sure seemed impressed.

I think the Nets will do very well in Newark, but only a delayed completion of the Barclays Center will keep them longer than two years.
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Atlantic Yards Under Construction, Brooklynites Attack Nets Owner

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Even with the Atlantic Yards development under construction, Brooklyn residents are still angry, and the subject is basketball.

At a protest Thursday afternoon in front of Madison Square Garden, Brooklyn residents turned their focus from the hard-fought development--which drew seven years of protest before construction began--to the NBA's treatment of owners and the Nets' new owner, Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov.

As NBA fans lined up in anticipation of the NBA Draft Thursday night, Rev. Clinton Miller spoke to a small crowd about what he called the NBA's "double standard" for owners and players and how a company that Mr. Prokhorov partially owns has alleged ties to Zimbabwe, a country the U.S. holds sanctions against.

Some of those gathered held signs with slogans like "NBA DAVID, GET STERN WITH THE OWNERS" and "DID THE NBA REALLY VET THE NET(s)?"

"We have seen and heard reports of many owners of the NBA who have engaged in sexual harassment, racial discrimination and other transgressions, but we've never heard of the NBA making a statement against the transgressions of its owners, but we always hear the NBA making statements against the transgressions of its players," Mr. Miller said.Attending the protest was Daniel Goldstein, the longtime holdout who lived in the Nets arena footprint until he finally sold his apartment to arena developer Bruce Ratner earlier this year.

"I think that the NBA is playing with fire in that they looked the other way and didn't fully investigate Prokhorov because they are desperate for the money he is bringing to the Nets and I think it's going to burn them in the end," Mr. Goldstein told the Observer at the protest.

Brooklyn residents have already sent a letter to NBA Commissioner David Stern asking him to start an investigation of Mr. Prokhorov and Renaissance Capital. At the protest Mr. Miller asked for explanation from Mr. Prokhorov.

Mr. Prokhorov became owner of the Nets in May.

As for Atlantic Yards, Mr. Miller said that is a separate issue and the project is going forward.
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While I'm a fan of this project architecturally, I'm not a fan of the use of eminent domain to remove private citizens from their property to build a private facility.

Now it's happened again. Columbia (a private university) has won a ruling to do the same thing in Harlem, and the court cited Atlantic Yards as precedent.

It's a slippery slope. (And yes, NYguy, this is on subject.)
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