[Burnaby] Gilmore Place | Phase I: 64fl 51fl 43fl | 214.8 | U/C

[GeeCee]

A community center is being built at Brentwood as part of phase 2 (or 3?) I believe.

[red-paladin]

I sure hope they replace the station roof, as the entire reason it was built cheaply was to be removed and replaced when this development happened.

[TourOdeon]

It would be nice to have a T&T Supermarket near Gilmore station

Onni was able to attract T&T as an anchor tenant in its recent development in Richmond called "Riva" near the Richmond Oval, having Copa Cafe wouldnt be such a bad idea either

[vannick]

Anyone know of this starting soon?

[phesto]

Originally Posted by vannick

Anyone know of this starting soon?

The conceptual master development plan was approved by council a few weeks ago, and a detailed rezoning app for the first phase should follow early in the new year. The first phase will include the tallest tower at 65-storeys, which apparently may wind up being the tallest building in B.C.

Here is the overall concept from the report:

Gateway Precinct:
A strong architectural expression at the corner of Gilmore Avenue and Lougheed Highway is necessary, with a signature residential tower atop larger format anchor retail and grocery uses. Pedestrian access to the station’s concourse level would be provided by an open air linkage from Lougheed Highway. The Gateway Precinct is identified to comprise the first phase of development, which will be sought through the subject rezoning application. The intended form of development would be characterized by up to three high-rise residential apartment buildings between 45 to 65 storeys in height, with four storeys of retail and flex office space at the ground level.

Station Precinct:
An enlarged public transit plaza that improves ground level access to the SkyTrain Station from both Gilmore Avenue and Dawson Street. The intended form of development would be characterized by up to three storeys of retail and flex office space surrounding the station with integration at both the ground level and concourse levels.

Dawson High Street Precinct:
Finer grained pedestrian oriented uses are proposed along the Dawson High Street, with opportunities for outdoor patios and displays. Pedestrian access to the station would be accommodated via a two level open air and covered connection from the proposed Carleton Avenue. The intended form of development would be characterized by up to 4 high-rise residential apartment buildings between 25 and 45 storeys atop a five storey retail and office podium west of Carleton and a four storey retail, office, and residential podium east of Carleton.

Carleton Precinct:
A new north-south commercial fronting promenade is planned to connect residents, employees and commercial patrons between Lougheed Highway
and Dawson Street. Linked by a number of plazas and open spaces, this area is conducive to restaurants and café’s with outdoor patio seating. The intended form of development would be characterized by a single high-rise residential apartment building of between 25 and 35 storeys atop a mid-rise 10 storey retail and office podium.

Commerce Precinct:
The expansion of high-amenity office uses on the site is fundamental to the mixed-use employment based concept. Standalone office space is
proposed that appeals to a range of business types and sizes, from start-ups to corporate headoffices, with the opportunity for businesses to grow on-site as needed. The intended form of development would be characterized by two purpose built office buildings between 15 to 30 storeys atop a four storey retail and flex office podium.

[GeeCee]

Originally Posted by phesto

The first phase will include the tallest tower at 65-storeys, which apparently may wind up being the tallest building in B.C.

I eagerly await the inevitable downsizing and the subsequent fountain of tears to be posted here. Perhaps something along the lines of the building in question not living up to its architectural telos or some other officious snobbery.

[osirisboy]

That's great. And I'm going to assume that these floor numbers are real total floor numbers since they can no longer omit the 4s?

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

I eagerly await the inevitable downsizing and the subsequent fountain of tears to be posted here. Perhaps something along the lines of the building in question not living up to its architectural telos or some other officious snobbery.

They should propose 75 stories and then get cut back to 60.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

That's great. And I'm going to assume that these floor numbers are real total floor numbers since they can no longer omit the 4s?

That decision was only for City of Vancouver. In Burnaby and Surrey developers can still continue to cheat in floor numbering.

But even then Brentwood is going to be incredible. The skyline will be tall and extend to a wide area. It will look amazing from Highway 1 and will rival Vancouver.

[osirisboy]

No Burnaby did too (I'm pretty sure I read that)

[TourOdeon]

Downtown Vancouver should feel ashamed if the tallest tower in the region is by Gilmore station LOL

[Sheba]

Burnaby did too.

Originally Posted by missbailey

Positive. Burnaby actually started doing this before Vancouver.

I do strata plans. Polygon actually informed of this change when I was doing their midori tower a few months ago.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by phesto

The conceptual master development plan was approved by council a few weeks ago, and a detailed rezoning app for the first phase should follow early in the new year. The first phase will include the tallest tower at 65-storeys, which apparently may wind up being the tallest building in B.C.

Here is the overall concept from the report:

Gateway Precinct:
A strong architectural expression at the corner of Gilmore Avenue and Lougheed Highway is necessary, with a signature residential tower atop larger format anchor retail and grocery uses. Pedestrian access to the station’s concourse level would be provided by an open air linkage from Lougheed Highway. The Gateway Precinct is identified to comprise the first phase of development, which will be sought through the subject rezoning application. The intended form of development would be characterized by up to three high-rise residential apartment buildings between 45 to 65 storeys in height, with four storeys of retail and flex office space at the ground level.

Station Precinct:
An enlarged public transit plaza that improves ground level access to the SkyTrain Station from both Gilmore Avenue and Dawson Street. The intended form of development would be characterized by up to three storeys of retail and flex office space surrounding the station with integration at both the ground level and concourse levels.

Dawson High Street Precinct:
Finer grained pedestrian oriented uses are proposed along the Dawson High Street, with opportunities for outdoor patios and displays. Pedestrian access to the station would be accommodated via a two level open air and covered connection from the proposed Carleton Avenue. The intended form of development would be characterized by up to 4 high-rise residential apartment buildings between 25 and 45 storeys atop a five storey retail and office podium west of Carleton and a four storey retail, office, and residential podium east of Carleton.

Carleton Precinct:
A new north-south commercial fronting promenade is planned to connect residents, employees and commercial patrons between Lougheed Highway
and Dawson Street. Linked by a number of plazas and open spaces, this area is conducive to restaurants and café’s with outdoor patio seating. The intended form of development would be characterized by a single high-rise residential apartment building of between 25 and 35 storeys atop a mid-rise 10 storey retail and office podium.

Commerce Precinct:
The expansion of high-amenity office uses on the site is fundamental to the mixed-use employment based concept. Standalone office space is
proposed that appeals to a range of business types and sizes, from start-ups to corporate headoffices, with the opportunity for businesses to grow on-site as needed. The intended form of development would be characterized by two purpose built office buildings between 15 to 30 storeys atop a four storey retail and flex office podium.

Originally Posted by TourOdeon

Downtown Vancouver should feel ashamed if the tallest tower in the region is by Gilmore station LOL

That sounds like modern sustainable urban planning, something Vancouver planners need to learn from.

[squeezied]

Originally Posted by Vin

That sounds like modern sustainable urban planning, something Vancouver planners need to learn from.

Why do you always repeatedly blurt out inane comments? Yes we get it, you like tall buildings. And you're probably thinking what a shame the Olympic Village (or any other neighbourhood) didn't turn out to have 65 story buildings... and thank goodness it didn't.

Yes Gilmore redevelopment is great. Modern sustainable urban planning? Yep. But saying this is something Vancouver needs to learn from is just BS. There are a number of areas in Vancouver (current and future) that are similar to Gilmore redevelopment that include mixed uses: high-rise residential, office, transit plaza, high street and retail. Marine Gateway, Oakridge, Langara Gardens, etc. They just don't have 60+ story buildings, and honestly, so what? Doesn't make these neighbourhoods inferior to Gilmore.

[cairnstone]

Was at the depot the other day and noticed the added an off leash dog park to the proposed site. So does burnaby reduce taxes on land like Vancouver does for the organic gardens. I can't wait to hear all the dog walkers complain when the shovels hit the ground

[EastVanMark]

Originally Posted by TourOdeon

Downtown Vancouver should feel ashamed if the tallest tower in the region is by Gilmore station LOL

The entire City of Vancouver should feel ashamed. One the one hand, they choke the potential out of downtown, yet are thinking of adding 35 floor buildings in an area surrounded by 2 story houses. Having your tallest building in the suburbs, is unprecedented in North America, defies logic, and is stupid.

[officedweller]

Does anyone know whether the soil conditions at Gilmore Station (i.e. Still Creek swamp area) would pose particularly difficult (and economically expensive) challenges to building a 65 storey tower (versus a 50 storey tower)?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by squeezied

Why do you always repeatedly blurt out inane comments? Yes we get it, you like tall buildings. And you're probably thinking what a shame the Olympic Village (or any other neighbourhood) didn't turn out to have 65 story buildings... and thank goodness it didn't.

Yes Gilmore redevelopment is great. Modern sustainable urban planning? Yep. But saying this is something Vancouver needs to learn from is just BS. There are a number of areas in Vancouver (current and future) that are similar to Gilmore redevelopment that include mixed uses: high-rise residential, office, transit plaza, high street and retail. Marine Gateway, Oakridge, Langara Gardens, etc. They just don't have 60+ story buildings, and honestly, so what? Doesn't make these neighbourhoods inferior to Gilmore.

I'm not "blurting out", I'm just supporting the comments made by many formers here, so you don't really need to target just me. Burnaby has made way more strides in urban planning that you can possibly imagine. The entire Brentwood neighbourhood would be a very self-contained community in a few years' time, nothing that any of the new vancouver developments can even come close to.

[squeezied]

Originally Posted by Vin

I'm not "blurting out", I'm just supporting the comments made by many formers here, so you don't really need to target just me.

Sorry that you feel offended. But when you repeatedly (unlike other forumers) post ridiculous comments I'm going to call you out.

Originally Posted by Vin

Burnaby has made way more strides in urban planning that you can possibly imagine. The entire Brentwood neighbourhood would be a very self-contained community in a few years' time, nothing that any of the new vancouver developments can even come close to.

That's just BS. How many large underutilized sites, similar in scale to Gilmore, around transit stations does Vancouver have? Not many. Any new development due to the size of the site can't be "self-contained". And that doesn't matter when there are amenities nearby and the neighbourhood is well integrated and connected with each other. The sites that are large enough such as Oakridge and Marine Gateway have mixed uses that you apparently aren't aware of.

You can't seem to acknowledge the finer grained and compact communities in Vancouver and the impracticalities of developing grand developments within these neighbourhoods. Burnaby on the other hand has many large underutilized sites in areas that can be arguably described as suburban wasteland. This is a blank canvas for Burnaby so they have the luxury of building large-scale developments without having to worry about how it implements into the existing community.

[HomeBoy]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Does anyone know whether the soil conditions at Gilmore Station (i.e. Still Creek swamp area) would pose particularly difficult (and economically expensive) challenges to building a 65 storey tower (versus a 50 storey tower)?

The soil conditions around the Still Creek area aren't very good. The roadway along Gilmore and Henning near the Home Depot keeps sinking, except for the bridges. The area is also subject to flooding.

I know the parking lot around the McDonalds at Willingdon and Still Creek keeps sinking, as they have had to add stairs to the entrance. When it first opened, there were no stairs to the entrance.