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Old Posted Mar 12, 2010, 11:07 PM
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Maybe they'll talk over the weekend. They have all day today to make a deal, the weather is crappy outside, everyone should just stay in...

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Parties Still Far Apart on Ground Zero

By CHRISTINA S.N. LEWIS
March 12, 2010

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Developer Larry Silverstein continued negotiating with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Friday over the impasse in the rebuilding of the World Trade Center, but people briefed on the discussions said the parties remained far apart.

An arbitration panel gave the Port Authority and Mr. Silverstein until end of day Friday to agree on a new construction timetable. If the parties fail to reach a deal the panel could step in and resolve the dispute itself or grant an extension. The intense negotiations come at a time when the two sides are face increasing political pressure to resolve their long-running dispute, which threatens to cause even further delays to the rebuilding of Ground Zero.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2010, 1:56 PM
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Parties Unable to Reach Deal on Ground Zero Redevelopment

By CHRISTINA S.N. LEWIS
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Developer Larry Silverstein and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey told an arbitration panel Friday evening that they were unable to reach an agreement in their dispute over how to pay for the rebuilding of the World Trade Center, according to a joint statement.

The panel had given the Port Authority and Mr. Silverstein until end of day Friday to agree on a new construction timetable. The deadline set off intense negotiations between the two parties at a time when the two sides are face increasing political pressure to resolve their long-running dispute, which threatens to cause even further delays to the rebuilding of Ground Zero. It is unclear if the panel will step in to resolve the dispute or grant an extension.

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Both sides negotiating a new completion and financing plan for the World Trade Center site said late Friday they're still talking despite edging past a deadline.

Developer Larry Silverstein and the Port Authority said in a statement they are continuing to negotiate.

Each side said they had given an update to the arbitration panel that had set Friday's deadline. Their reports said that after "substantial discussions" they "have made progress toward resolving the issues surrounding the eastern portion of the World Trade Center site."
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I think people waited enogh. They should say that the build the towers now or they should cancel the proposed buildings.

It´s a shame what they are doing with the city and the country!!
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I'm not really surprised that no agreement was reached. Dissapointed, but not really surprised.

How long does the arbritration panel have to make their determination?
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I'm not really surprised that no agreement was reached. Dissapointed, but not really surprised.

How long does the arbritration panel have to make their determination?
Don´t know. I think they will decide the following:

- Tower 3´s construction will begin by early 2011 and will be complete by 2013/14

- Tower 2 becomes a retail base. And if Larry is able to find more tenantes (not likely at the moment) he can build to tower himself atop the retail base.
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You knew what the outcome was going to be the night before; so no real surprises here. Now you start sweating bullets because the timetable for decisions is becoming bleaker.
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[size=3]The panel had given the Port Authority and Mr. Silverstein until end of day Friday to agree on a new construction timetable....It is unclear if the panel will step in to resolve the dispute or grant an extension.
We are now probably closer to an extension of negotiating than the arbitration panel issuing a binding timeline of its own. Keep in mind though that the arbitration panel removed any deadlines Silverstein has to get the towers built.
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I find it difficult to believe anything anyone in charge of the rebuilding process says, we've been lied to for nearly a decade, why should anything change?
     
     
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I find it difficult to believe anything anyone in charge of the rebuilding process says, we've been lied to for nearly a decade, why should anything change?
You don't have to believe anything.
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Stalemate at Ground Zero

By STEVE CUOZZO
March 16, 2010

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Larry Silverstein and the Port Authority are still talk ing despite missing the deadline set by arbitrators to work out their differences -- or else. Let's hope they reach a deal: Kicking the dispute back to arbitration would delay, perhaps doom, three new office towers the city desperately needs.

Silverstein's Ground Zero towers would go a long way toward alleviating the scarcity of first-class office space in a city where more than 65 percent of all buildings are at least 50 years old and useless to today's large, electronically-oriented companies.

But the PA and Silverstein are arguing over when to build the towers and how to pay for them. In January, after ruling largely for the PA on a ground-rent dispute, the arbitrators gave the two sides 45 days to agree on a "detailed construction coordination plan and development schedule" -- or the panel would impose its own solution.

That opens up a Pandora's box of dangerous outcomes that could delay the towers indefinitely, reduce their number or even kill them off for good -- contingencies never envisioned when the arbitration option was included in a November 2006 Master Development Agreement between the developer and the agency.

What's plainly needed is an intervention from on high -- but New York is without a functioning governor to broker a deal.

Back when the parties signed the development agreement in 2006, everyone believed things were finally on track. The PA would see to the Freedom Tower (now 1 WTC) and Silverstein would build three more.

The arbitration option was there to mediate the kinds of incidental disputes likely to arise between long-warring parties at an overcrowded construction site. But no one expected the global economic meltdown -- which shut off the lending spigot for large developments.

Last year, a frustrated Silverstein -- who's paying the PA about $80 million a year in ground rent -- asked the PA for help financing the towers. The agency balked. For lack of a better option, the developer went to arbitration -- formally seeking a rollback in his rent, on the grounds that the PA has failed to clear the site in a timely manner to allow him to build.

The panel ruled against him on that front in January -- in good part because, under the 2006 deal, it has no jurisdictionto cover disputes before that agreement was signed.

So, the arbitrators saw that, yes, the PA had dawdled for the first year and a half post-deal -- but they gave it credit for finally getting things moving in the last 18 months.

But it raises the question: Did the arbitrators ever read the newspapers from mid-2002 until late 2006? Because they ignored the simple fact that for more than four years after the site was cleared in 2002, the PA willfully ignored its duty to excavate the ground to make it suitable for construction. Then, once it finally got down to the job, it took three more years to only partially finish work it promised to complete much sooner -- further delaying Silverstein until lending collapsed.

We can only hope, should everything wind up back in arbitration, that the panel notes that the PA's obstinance and failures before and after the 2006 agreement were clearly of a piece. Acknowledging those wasted five years is indispensable to understanding why Silverstein's towers remain stuck in the mud.

In the first round, the arbitrators bought the PA's line that its failure to meet excavation deadlines after 2006 didn't matter because Silverstein couldn't have gotten construction loans in any event. Talk about blaming the victim: It was mainly the PA's prior delays that pushed the projects back again and again, until lending disappeared.

Silverstein, who successfully built the new 7 WTC between 2003-2006, stood ready to start work on the Ground Zero projects as well for more than six years -- from the time the site was cleared in spring 2002 until late 2008. Throughout, he warned time and again that the PA was ignoring its duty to rebuild the site's east side "bathtub" and perform infrastructure work.

Lots of folks in this town are happy to blame Silverstein. But the fact remains that he's the best hope for building towers that New York needs.

The blame-Silverstein mentality must not prevail, either in forcing arbitration or in its outcome. Nothing less than Downtown's future and the city's commercial destiny are at stake. Indeed, since it's about replacing what was torn away on 9/11, it's a matter of national honor as well.
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It´s very sad what´s going on there.

I´m just glad to see the Memorial and 1WTC under-construction.
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thanks for posting this, it's obvious what a mess the PA has caused.

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Lots of folks in this town are happy to blame Silverstein.
??? crazy and stupid people who don't know what's going on .


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But the fact remains that he's the best hope for building towers that New York needs.
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Yeah, suspicious the PA waited years to even start excavating the sites, right when the markets began to sink and now refuse to help finance the towers
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Yeah, suspicious the PA waited years to even start excavating the sites, right when the markets began to sink and now refuse to help finance the towers
It remains a mystery why the PA waited so long to excavate the sites, but they claim they had to do "design work" on the new "tub" - the one that looks exactly like the original, and had to be built before excavation. Why that took years, I don't understand.
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It remains a mystery why the PA waited so long to excavate the sites, but they claim they had to do "design work" on the new "tub" - the one that looks exactly like the original, and had to be built before excavation. Why that took years, I don't understand.
M.A.F.I.A. all of these projects are being fleeced left and right by a bunch of crooks. PA is FULL of them.
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"Indeed, since it's about replacing what was torn away on 9/11, it's a matter of national honor as well."

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In fact, the rebuilding of the World Trade Center should be seen as a project of national importance. Why the some of all that so-called "stimulus" money was thrown at the most obvious "shovel ready" project of all will forever escape me.
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"Indeed, since it's about replacing what was torn away on 9/11, it's a matter of national honor as well."

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In fact, the rebuilding of the World Trade Center should be seen as a project of national importance. Why the some of all that so-called "stimulus" money was thrown at the most obvious "shovel ready" project of all will forever escape me.
There was a lot of govt money thrown this way, most of it towards the $3 Billion PATH terminal. The average person thinks Silverstein got a "boat load" of money from insurance (in fact, he got about half of what he was expecting, and has spent most of that on rent to the PA). So when you see talk in the media of Silverstein seeking "assistance" with getting financing for the towers, it's usually followed by a perception of a "greedy developer" who won't "get out of the way" of the rebuilding. Some people are dense enough to think that if Silverstein gets removed from the process, the towers will actually get built sooner, and quickly. Little do they know how wrong they are. I think Bloomberg said it best, in response to the PA's statement that it shouldn't have to "bail out" a developer, when he said we have to "bail out America".
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A deal has yet to be reached, but already the anti-rebuilding forces are complaining...


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The Business of Ground Zero

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March 16, 2010

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The public sector is now on the verge of putting itself in a position to relive the very financial pain it endured a generation ago.

A yearlong battle over the World Trade Center site between private developer Larry Silverstein, the Port Authority and the city seems to be ending, with all three parties converging on a plan to use the financial backing of various public-sector sources to help finance two of the three skyscrapers Mr. Silverstein had planned.

While the details are still under discussion and talks could yet break down, it would put hundreds of millions, if not billions, of additional public dollars at risk, as some combination of the Port Authority, the city and the state would likely back the financing on the bulk of the $4 billion–plus cost of the two privately built towers.
Mr. Silverstein would be required to use hundreds of millions in insurance money and additional capital.

Taken with the $3.1 billion, Port Authority–owned One World Trade Center (formerly the Freedom Tower) currently rising, the Silverstein deal, should it indeed mature, would mean nearly 7 million square feet, or two and a half Empire State Buildings, constructed within the span of a few years on one site—all with only a single private tenant in place, China-based Beijing Vantone, for a relatively trivial 190,000 square feet, or six floors.

But today many landlords—who see Mr. Silverstein’s towers as potential competition that would drive down rents—tend to restrict their grumblings to private forums, and the biggest office brokers in the city are generally conflicted.

Anthony Malkin, grandson of Mr. Wien and an owner of the Empire State Building, is one of the few to publicly criticize the plan today; he took out a set of ads in 2007, with Douglas Durst, Seymour Durst’s son, urging a halt to construction of One World Trade Center.

...In fairness to supporters of the government-backed plan for two Silverstein towers, there are no appealing options for financing the redevelopment. Those who have urged the two-tower plan, including the Bloomberg administration, have said the office market is in a tremendously different place than it was a few decades ago, and Manhattan has a very small amount of new, modern office space, particularly downtown.

“Financing commercial buildings is obviously difficult today, but there will continue to be enormous demand for new office space in the long term,” said Andrew Brent, a spokesman for Deputy Mayor Robert Lieber.

...Perhaps as a result, whatever criticism there is tends not to have much effect, a lesson learned by Mr. Malkin. “My take-away was that Douglas and I really accomplished about as much as my grandfather and Douglas’ father accomplished when they tried it, which was basically nothing,” Mr. Malkin said of publicly criticizing the plan. “So long as we were prepared to run ads at our cost, people were prepared to return our phone call, but not to any effect.”
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