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Old Posted Nov 15, 2017, 11:06 PM
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That a very small city in the middle of nowhere. I’m guessing it would be added onto more and more

The closed city is 40 min away at El Paso. Good idea for the long run

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It would probably be a sprawling suburb. Like the city bill gates is building in airizona.

We need a city with trains and buildings in Idaho, eastern Oregon or somewhere nice.
     
     
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Amazon should be aware and they probably are, that Dallas would be better choice, because DFW area is the largest and most centralized major metro area in the North American Continent. Therefore the most economical, least costly in transportation to and from DFW, then it is from any other major metro areas in the continent.
     
     
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How about Newark NJ? It's a transportation hub in a metro area with a highly educated workforce. Essentially, they get the benefits of being in NYC without paying NYC prices. The city is desperate for business so Amazon can expect huge handouts from the city and state.
     
     
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Amazon should be aware and they probably are, that Dallas would be better choice, because DFW area is the largest and most centralized major metro area in the North American Continent. Therefore the most economical, least costly in transportation to and from DFW, then it is from any other major metro areas in the continent.
No you are wrong. That would be Chicago.

Some of the city boosters here are setting themselves up for a really big letdown when their city isn't chosen.
     
     
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How about Newark NJ? It's a transportation hub in a metro area with a highly educated workforce. Essentially, they get the benefits of being in NYC without paying NYC prices. The city is desperate for business so Amazon can expect huge handouts from the city and state.
Desperation is right. NJ has lately been offering some obscene tax incentives for companies. If I were a company I would definitely take a serious look—you are right next door to NYC but with huge financial incentives. 20 years from now people who didn’t take such deals may look back with regret
     
     
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Some of the city boosters here are setting themselves up for a really big letdown when their city isn't chosen.
Amazon received over 400 applications (and counting) and there's no guarantee ANY city will be chosen. All we know is that they're supposedly exploring the idea. But even that might be a smokescreen given that they want leverage back in Seattle regarding growth pushback.

So I don't know how anyone can get excited about this. There's a very good chance that the entire exercise is a farce, and even if it isn't, what are the chances your city will be picked?
     
     
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Desperation is right. NJ has lately been offering some obscene tax incentives for companies. If I were a company I would definitely take a serious look—you are right next door to NYC but with huge financial incentives. 20 years from now people who didn’t take such deals may look back with regret
Can a job based in Newark compete with companies that are physically within NYC, specifically Manhattan or Brooklyn? Probably not. I have a friend working on a project at Newark Int'l and his commute from Brooklyn is 1.5 hrs.

NJ is a hard sell for millennials because much of the state is suburban or rural. It's bookended by two urban areas, but as we're seeing in more mature metros with well established cores, young professionals (and increasingly older ones) try to avoid commutes between suburbs. Many people (nearly all younger professionals) would rather live and work in the city or commute to the city via commuter rail. That's a problem for a place like NJ that is essentially made up of bedroom communities of New York and Philadelphia, which is why they are throwing so much money at these companies.
     
     
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But even that might be a smokescreen given that they want leverage back in Seattle regarding growth pushback.

So I don't know how anyone can get excited about this. There's a very good chance that the entire exercise is a farce, and even if it isn't, what are the chances your city will be picked?
You know Crawford, I was thinking along those lines. Even if HQ2 does get built, it becomes much easier to negotiate with Seattle. "Either do what we want, or we will move our entire operations over to HQ2!" They'll have Seattle and the state of Washington over a barrel.
     
     
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Amazon received over 400 applications (and counting) and there's no guarantee ANY city will be chosen. All we know is that they're supposedly exploring the idea. But even that might be a smokescreen given that they want leverage back in Seattle regarding growth pushback.

So I don't know how anyone can get excited about this. There's a very good chance that the entire exercise is a farce, and even if it isn't, what are the chances your city will be picked?
But on the other hand, lots of cool renderings.
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But on the other hand, lots of cool renderings.
Oh ya, show some. I provided beautiful renderings of Camden's proposal as well as El-Paso, Juarez, Sunland Park. Someone posted south Baltimore's recently. The Dallas ones, with a view of the Interstate, just plain suck though. Very underwhelming.
     
     
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No you are wrong. That would be Chicago.

Some of the city boosters here are setting themselves up for a really big letdown when their city isn't chosen.
He's right and wrong. Dallas/TX would be much cheaper for Amazon to operate in than Chicago/IL. However, O'Hare is a better airport and Chicago has far superior transit with the El and Metra.

As for most centralized city in NA, depends on if Amazon wants to expand in Mexico/Central/South America, then Dallas would be better positioned than Chicago, otherwise Chicago would be the largest central city in NA.
     
     
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He's right and wrong. Dallas/TX would be much cheaper for Amazon to operate in than Chicago/IL. However, O'Hare is a better airport and Chicago has far superior transit with the El and Metra.

As for most centralized city in NA, depends on if Amazon wants to expand in Mexico/Central/South America, then Dallas would be better positioned than Chicago, otherwise Chicago would be the largest central city in NA.
That's debatable these days. Dallas today is not the Dallas of 2000.
     
     
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Amazon should be aware and they probably are, that Dallas would be better choice, because DFW area is the largest and most centralized major metro area in the North American Continent. Therefore the most economical, least costly in transportation to and from DFW, then it is from any other major metro areas in the continent.
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We Have Stoplights! Implausible Towns Bid for Amazon Headquarters
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Nov. 14, 2017 11:20 a.m. ET

Amazon.com Inc. is shopping for a second home, and it has attracted bids from big, urbane suitors such as Boston and Dallas.

It also has fielded a proposal from Rockdale, Texas—pop. 5,628.

The town, which enjoys a few stoplights and hosts an annual rodeo, has joined forces with the county to tout the charms of an old manufacturing area near town surrounded by livestock ranches . . . .

Rockdale in Texas composed a combined proposal with Milam County, noting that the population within an hour’s-drive radius brings them to about 2.5 million people. Rockdale hopes to meet the higher-education criterion by dint of being about an hour’s drive from universities in Austin and College Station.

It is playing up the ample extra room, pitching Amazon with a proposed site of 33,000 acres, almost two-thirds the size of Seattle. “This is a rare opportunity, the perfect blend of big business and the magnificence of nature,” says the narrator in a video produced for the site. “The opportunity to showcase your global reach among the lakes and rolling hills of Central Texas” . . . .
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Desperation is right. NJ has lately been offering some obscene tax incentives for companies. If I were a company I would definitely take a serious look—you are right next door to NYC but with huge financial incentives. 20 years from now people who didn’t take such deals may look back with regret
NJ has to do this, because it is a high cost state that is full of mature companies in suburban office parks, which are more likely to shrink employment due to consolidation or decline than add jobs in the area.

And with good reason - younger professionals in NYC do not want to live in or commute to NJ’s traditional employment centers. They might move to Hoboken or JC, but only to save on rent with a quick commute into Manhattan. And these are urban neighborhoods.

Perhaps everyone is currently overstating the extent to which the desires of city-loving Millennials are driving the agenda at large companies, but you at least need to recognize that their (our) preferences, or at the very least tolerances (based on objective evidence) are very different from your own.
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Interesting that the WSJ places Austin as a long shot and Dallas as a front runner.

What exactly is 'Culture Fit'? I saw something like most craft beer breweries per capita in Denver.
     
     
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