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I don't know, we may not have a very deep sense of national culture or symbolism or even togetherness, but surely every country has a national narrative.

In Canada's case, it's a British and French colonial state that over time shed its reliance from the monarchy, developed a much closer relationship with the US and now enjoys a subdued, but prosperous way of life that is occasionally challenged with intra-national conflict and its over-reliance on the US.

It's boring, sure, but not every country can be about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness while fighting off government tyranny.
I do not deny it exists, but it is harder to pin down for people. Even for many Canadians - due to lack of knowledge or indifference.

Plus when it is evoked there is often no consensus on even the most basic elements, and the disagreements are often based on sheer ignorance.

"Canada has had a policy to be multicultural since day one. The country was created to be diverse with all the cultures of the world."

Really????
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But it's not the mythological basis for our state the way it is in the US.
There's a disconnect between reality and the image of Canada people cling to. That image is colonial baggage. I suppose I never adopted any of that baggage as I was an immigrant to this country. I saw it with fresh eyes for what it was and found Canadians' identity struggles as bizarre. I still do.
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There's a disconnect between reality and the image of Canada people cling to. That image is colonial baggage. I suppose I never adopted any of that baggage as I was an immigrant to this country. I saw it with fresh eyes for what it was and found Canadians' identity struggles as bizarre. I still do.
Re: colonial baggage

My sense is that Canadians struggle greatly with finding the appropriate balance between the country's history (what you refer to as colonial baggage I guess) and being forward looking.

In the part of Canada west of the Ottawa River, not being hobbled by "colonial baggage" for lack of a better term, is a near-obsesssion with the insinuation that somehow talking about history leaves too many people "out" - and this is an evil thing. I guess.

At least in that part of the country (the majority of it, in terms of population and area), the idea that there is a crushing weight of history, traditions and colonialism sitting on people's shoulders is totally laughable.

It's probably the free-est place on earth to be what you want to be, how you want to be.
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And let's not forget that colonial baggage played a huge role in making the country what it is today.
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There's a disconnect between reality and the image of Canada people cling to. That image is colonial baggage. I suppose I never adopted any of that baggage as I was an immigrant to this country. I saw it with fresh eyes for what it was and found Canadians' identity struggles as bizarre. I still do.
I'm not saying we're not a country rooted in free enterprise and capitalism, but it's definitely not part of our national narrative. As kool maudit said, Sweden can go hard right and still be Sweden. I likewise believe that Canada can go socialist and still be Canada. I don't think the US could and still be the US.
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As a post-colonial state, our relative lack of national narrative may not be a bad thing. I've been to places where the spectre of the past looms very heavily in day to day interactions, which is immediately obvious if you aren't used to it.

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As kool maudit said, Sweden can go hard right and still be Sweden. I likewise believe that Canada can go socialist and still be Canada. I don't think the US could and still be the US.

I feel the same way.
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As kool maudit said, Sweden can go hard right and still be Sweden. I likewise believe that Canada can go socialist and still be Canada. I don't think the US could and still be the US.
In broad brush strokes, Sweden is an ethno-state, while the US was founded on grandiose (wrongheaded, hypocritical) ideas. Canada, uh, is an odd melange of both ethoi, though now we're much closer to the idea end of the spectrum. Australia and New Zealand are a bit closer to the ethno-state end of the spectrum than we are, but perhaps not by much.

I wrote this post solely so that I could use the plural of ethos.
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When you talk about nationalism and national identity, you are talking about the nation over the individial.

You can see with Trump, he isn't talking about freer flows of goods and people. The US is moving in the opposite direction, more restrictions, with a president who was elected on the basis of national identity.

Nationalism, the national identity, the collective identity, is the opposite of individualism, the individual identity.
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