Winnipeg Roads & Infrastructure

[DavefromSt.Vital]

For those searching for plans re: twinning the Ontario side of the Trans-Canada, you can use the MTO's online library:

https://www.library.mto.gov.on.ca/Sy...spx?lang=en-US

You can find detailed plans from 2010 in the attachment here:

https://www.library.mto.gov.on.ca/Sy...134&lang=en-US

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by DavefromSt.Vital

For those searching for plans re: twinning the Ontario side of the Trans-Canada, you can use the MTO's online library:

https://www.library.mto.gov.on.ca/Sy...spx?lang=en-US

You can find detailed plans from 2010 in the attachment here:

https://www.library.mto.gov.on.ca/Sy...134&lang=en-US

Wow that search must have taken quite some time and effort. Thanks a bunch!

[bomberjet]

Thanks!

Interesting they swing back and forth from having the existing lanes travel westbound, then eastbound, then westbound again.

Also the new highway goes quiet a bit south of the existing for a while.

Well the potential highway I guess. That plan is going on 10 years old. Total length is 4.5km into Ontario from the Manitoba border.

[LilZebra]

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[Andy6]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Thanks!

Interesting they swing back and forth from having the existing lanes travel westbound, then eastbound, then westbound again.

Also the new highway goes quiet a bit south of the existing for a while.

Well the potential highway I guess. That plan is going on 10 years old. Total length is 4.5km into Ontario from the Manitoba border.

Fire Road no. 46 (or 6 on the map) was our cottage road. You can still see the original winding Highway 17 alignment looping off the current highway in various places on those maps, including at that spot. Maybe the new government will be more inclined to do this, particularly if it sweeps northern Ontario, as looks likely. Back in the old days when Leo Bernier was the Kenora MPP and powerful Tory minister, a lot more got done up there.

[buzzg]

I'm not sure if they just forgot to fill it in or what, but since the construction (believe for cable/internet) on Graham wrapped up, there's been a giant, devastating whole in the middle of the intersection at Carlton and Graham. Like you can't avoid it – it's huge, and it's cut out of the concrete, so sharp and deep as well. Don't understand how they can just leave it here (been at least 2 weeks) without fixing it or blocking it off.

[Bluenote]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

BC style?

The way you're going about it, it sounds like some segments of TCH by Falcon Lake will have undivided 4 lanes. Am I understanding it correctly?

No. You build a concrete barrier between them like the section between st. Marys and Pembina Hwy on the perimeter. Simple and safe.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by buzzg

I'm not sure if they just forgot to fill it in or what, but since the construction (believe for cable/internet) on Graham wrapped up, there's been a giant, devastating whole in the middle of the intersection at Carlton and Graham. Like you can't avoid it – it's huge, and it's cut out of the concrete, so sharp and deep as well. Don't understand how they can just leave it here (been at least 2 weeks) without fixing it or blocking it off.

Call 311 and report it. They will either get the contractor to come back with more cold patch (the patch/back fill is probably packing down) or the city will patch it and charge the cost back to the contractor.

Eventually this summer the pavement cut will be permanently repaired.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by esquire

It's staggering how little has changed on the highways in that area in the last 50 years.

That is exactly the issue. The population in the area has changed a lot over the last 50 years including Winnipeg growing out in the northeast corner. Even the past 20 years has seen significant changes in the region. It is why the Oak Bank corridor/HWY 15 relocation project makes sense. It is really no different than the Inkster relocation aka CPT, the HWY 1 west relocation aka Headingley by-pass, the HWY 75 relocation aka St Norbert bypass and even the Selkirk corridor aka 230 relocation.

As a province we have done an incredible poor job protecting our highways to ensure they are limited access and to maintain land holds for future twinning and interchanges.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ FYI the MIT website has PDFs of the Manitoba highway map from every year online, so if those details are keeping any of you up at night you can look it up and quickly deduce when things were built.

I glanced at the 1968 map and 59 was already twinned up past the 44 interchange. 44 was still just a 2-lane at that point, though.

Going back even further to 1966 shows that the stretch of 59 north of Birds Hill was being moved a little way east... that must be what CoryB was talking about.

It's staggering how little has changed on the highways in that area in the last 50 years.

It really is remarkable how much was accomplished in the 20 or so years following the Second World War.

In 1945 only the Trans-Canada from Brandon to the Ontario border (the old alignment of Hwy. Nos. 1, 26, 9 and 44), Hwy. 75 to the U.S. Border, Hwy 9 to Winnipeg Beach and stretches of Hwys. 2, 10 and a bit of the Yellowhead Hwy. were paved.

By 1965 most of the current highway network was essentially complete with the notable exception of the Hwy. 6 extension from Grand Rapids to Thompson which would open in the early 70s.

[cheswick]

Looks like they're finally paving the remaining gravel portion of Templeton between McPhillips and Pipeline part in parcel with the expanding of amber gates neighbourhood. I know the older home residents have been complaining for years about the increased traffic kicking up dust. Bit of an odd street as is, there's a 4400 sq foot million dollar house next to a 700 sq ft one.

[WildCake]

Brent Bellamy has another good opinion article in the FP today

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/op...478603403.html

Says the plans for Kenaston widening are overkill and pent up demand will probably return a widened kenaston to capacity.

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by WildCake

Brent Bellamy has another good opinion article in the FP today

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/op...478603403.html

Says the plans for Kenaston widening are overkill and pent up demand will probably return a widened kenaston to capacity.

Kenaston really does need to be addressed but I think it needs less lights to impede traffic, not necessarily more lanes

[esquire]

^ I agree with the idea that Kenaston in its current form is an f-cluster that should never have been allowed to become what it is... the stretch through Bridgwater Forest in particular is really an absolute head-scratcher of a design. I've never seen anything like that in other cities and for good reason, I'm thinking.

But the problem is that the surrounding areas are now full of people and there needs to be some way to move those people around efficiently. Kenaston, particularly north of Bishop Grandin, is not some new road serving greenfield sprawl. Those residents and businesses have been there for at least 20 years for the most part. Turning Kenaston into a de facto freeway was a decision that was basically made in the 90s when it was decided to approve all of the retail developments and subdivisions that have sprung up around it.

Instead of railing against the inevitable expansion of Kenaston, it would strike me as a better use of energy to prevent a similar situation from reoccurring elsewhere. The prime candidates for that are the planned developments in the far northwestern and southeastern corners of the city.

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ I agree with the idea that Kenaston in its current form is an f-cluster that should never have been allowed to become what it is... the stretch through Bridgwater Forest in particular is really an absolute head-scratcher of a design. I've never seen anything like that in other cities and for good reason, I'm thinking.

But the problem is that the surrounding areas are now full of people and there needs to be some way to move those people around efficiently. Kenaston, particularly north of Bishop Grandin, is not some new road serving greenfield sprawl. Those residents and businesses have been there for at least 20 years for the most part. Turning Kenaston into a de facto freeway was a decision that was basically made in the 90s when it was decided to approve all of the retail developments and subdivisions that have sprung up around it.

Instead of railing against the inevitable expansion of Kenaston, it would strike me as a better use of energy to prevent a similar situation from reoccurring elsewhere. The prime candidates for that are the planned developments in the far northwestern and southeastern corners of the city.

South Lag is already a lost cause, Sage Creek, South Land Park, Bishop, #1, Regent a little further north. A few more lights and it will be in the same position as Kenaston.

[CoryB]

^^ The biggest challenge in the southeast is Sage Creek is soon going to pop demand for a new light on the Perimeter between Lag and HWY 1. Best to shut those access points now and wait for funding for at minimum a diamond before access is opened up.

[buzzg]

I'd honestly rather see money spent putting access roads on Kenaston south of Taylor before touching anything between Taylor and Academy. Adding a lane in each direction is going to solve absolutely nothing.

Originally Posted by CoryB

^^ The biggest challenge in the southeast is Sage Creek is soon going to pop demand for a new light on the Perimeter between Lag and HWY 1. Best to shut those access points now and wait for funding for at minimum a diamond before access is opened up.

Completely agreed.

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by buzzg

I'd honestly rather see money spent putting access roads on Kenaston south of Taylor before touching anything between Taylor and Academy. Adding a lane in each direction is going to solve absolutely nothing.



Completely agreed.

As long as we don't over complicate by temporarily changing the right of way.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by CoryB

^^ The biggest challenge in the southeast is Sage Creek is soon going to pop demand for a new light on the Perimeter between Lag and HWY 1. Best to shut those access points now and wait for funding for at minimum a diamond before access is opened up.

Agreed as well. Seems like the city did prevent perimeter problems for the time being. There is no street access to plessis from the Sage creek development. Warde is a dotted outline on Sage Creek map where it will link up in the future.

http://sagecreek.qualicocommunities.com/lot-map

Perimeter between Lag and Hwy 1 probably will merit two diamonds if it will be completely developed into residential. Likely around Plessis and Murdock roads. Plessis might be better off about 1/2 mile east where there are no homes to expropriate and give a bit more space between Lag and the current Plessis intersection.

They should make future developers of Sage Creek (or whatever it will be called) east of Plessis to cough up funds for an interchange.

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by WildCake

Agreed as well. Seems like the city did prevent perimeter problems for the time being. There is no street access to plessis from the Sage creek development. Warde is a dotted outline on Sage Creek map where it will link up in the future.

http://sagecreek.qualicocommunities.com/lot-map

Perimeter between Lag and Hwy 1 probably will merit two diamonds if it will be completely developed into residential. Likely around Plessis and Murdock roads. Plessis might be better off about 1/2 mile east where there are no homes to expropriate and give a bit more space between Lag and the current Plessis intersection.

They should make future developers of Sage Creek (or whatever it will be called) east of Plessis to cough up funds for an interchange.

Bishop will also be getting extended to Plessis I'm sure