The Metropolises of Tomorrow

[nito]

A treemap depicting population growth in the year to mid-2015 for London and New York Boroughs (Source: ONS and USCB).

[muppet]

Interesting article - New Geography compares London and NYC (2014 figures)

http://www.newgeography.com/content/...n-and-new-york

Basically both cities have different layouts (London has high density neighbourhoods interspersed with protected land that creates a vast urban-rural fabric for its exburbs, while NYC has low density sprawl for its suburbs and large empty tracts for its exurbs - but both cities function very similarly in size, layout, commuting and function).

[MolsonExport]

this thread has unfortunately become very versus-y

[Yuri]

Bringing up the thread:

Macrometropolis São Paulo (33 million inh., 10% growth/decade):




Travelling 228 km through (dense) urban areas only:








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Population 2016:

City: 12.038.175 (5.8%)
Metro: 21.242.939 (10.3%)
Macro: 32.559.101 (15.8%)
State: 44.749.699 (21.7%)
Brazil: 206.081.432


GDP 2014:

City: US$ 267.261.651.915 (10.9%)
Metro: US$ 435.262.350.213 (17.7%)
Macro: US$ 643.222.874.469 (26.2%)
State: US$ 790.721.725.532 (32.2%)
Brazil: US$ 2.459.128.842.553

São Paulo state population has grown faster than Brazil between every single Census since 1872, but between 2000-2010 (11.4% x 12.3%)

[chris08876]

^^^^

Whats the area for that mega region? Going to approximate and say 62500 km2. 250 km across or so.

[Yuri]

Chris, the way I defined it, it's 47,562 km² for those 32,559,101 inh. as 2016. It's growing at a 300,000 people/year rate.

Obviously, we can get rid of huge swaths of empty land keeping the total population intact.

[GreaterMontréal]

cities should aim for the highest standard of living and quality of life, rather than aim to be the biggest cities on earth.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

cities should aim for the highest standard of living and quality of life, rather than aim to be the biggest cities on earth.

I don't think cities "aim to be the biggest". One just need to be. Tokyo is the one, and it has a very high standard of living.

[Yuri]

NASA has updated its night map, and it's way better than the previous one. Now you can distinguish urban areas from suburban, for instance. Some shots from the areas we are discussing in this thread:

Originally Posted by streetscapeer

Tokyo


Pearl River Delta


London/Paris


Bos-Wash Corridor

Originally Posted by GersonLDN

Originally Posted by GersonLDN

SUDESTE:

Originally Posted by GersonLDN

MEXICO:

[montréaliste]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

cities should aim for the highest standard of living and quality of life, rather than aim to be the biggest cities on earth.

We have potholes that can swallow up whole cars. That is what we should aim for.

[isaidso]

Southern Ontario

That's Ottawa in the upper right and Detroit in the lower left.


Courtesy of NASA

[isaidso]

The region in and around Toronto is one of the fastest growing in the western world. The various satellite cities are being stitched together through a massive 10 year investment in regional rail. When complete it will ensure all day frequent service throughout the region and help integrate its parts. Today only Greater Toronto Hamilton could be considered integrated as one metropolitan area but even that looks destined to hit 10 million people within 24 years.

Greater Toronto Hamilton does not include St.Catharines-Niagara (411,700), Brantford (145,500), Guelph (156,000), Kitchener-Waterloo (517,300), Peterborough (124,100), or Barrie (205,000). Greater Toronto Hamilton had a population of roughly 7,414,700 last year implying a population of 9,914,700 by 2041.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...emo05a-eng.htm


About 3.5 million people will move into the Greater Toronto and Hamilton area by 2041, mostly into areas not yet developed (purple) which will grow more densely than in the past; and in some existing developed areas where densities will significantly increase (gold).

Courtesy of the Toronto Star

[niwell]

You can really tell how much more Detroit sprawls compared to Toronto and the rest of the Greater Golden Horseshoe.

[Yuri]

And looking to this pic, it seems Detroit is quite close to capture Lansing and Jackson into its CSA, making them to break the 6 million barrier.

As the population, and specially employment, are growing once again in the region, it will probably happen.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

And looking to this pic, it seems Detroit is quite close to capture Lansing and Jackson into its CSA, making them to break the 6 million barrier.

As the population, and specially employment, are growing once again in the region, it will probably happen.

I'm not sure I would use lights from satellite images to make inferences re. CSAs.

And Metro Detroit is pretty affordable, so supercommuting doesn't make much sense. There are probably few people who would be willing to commute from Lansing to Detroit.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I'm not sure I would use lights from satellite images to make inferences re. CSAs.

If their urban ereas become one they're automatically placed under the same MSA/CSA, if I remember correctly. In any case, if the urban spots are getting closer, we can safely assume it's easier to commute between them.

Originally Posted by Crawford

And Metro Detroit is pretty affordable, so supercommuting doesn't make much sense. There are probably few people who would be willing to commute from Lansing to Detroit.

It seems Lansing labour market is very solid indeed, not making commute necessary. However, Jackson could be attracted into the Detroit CSA, specially if Detroit MSA and Ann Arbor MSA to merge.

[isaidso]

Shouldn't Windsor be included as part of the Detroit metro? Lots of people who live in Windsor go to Detroit for work, entertainment, etc.

[BIMBAM]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Shouldn't Windsor be included as part of the Detroit metro? Lots of people who live in Windsor go to Detroit for work, entertainment, etc.

Well, not that many go for work because of the expensive tolls and not having the right to work there. Certainly some do, but I doubt it'd be a large enough percentage for it to qualify as a suburb. Travelling for entertainment doesn't usually factor into these types of calculations, and being in another country would also rule it out. Unofficially though? I tend to think of it as at least somewhat part of Metro Detroit, border be damned.

[isaidso]

It would interesting to see what the actual commuting numbers are. Culturally it's certainly an extension of Detroit.

[north 42]

Originally Posted by isaidso

It would interesting to see what the actual commuting numbers are. Culturally it's certainly an extension of Detroit.

I think I read that the number of Windsorites commuting to Detroit is around 7500. There are also Detroiter's that commute to Windsor, but the numbers are much smaller.

Windsor is definately not a suburb of Detroit, it is its own core city, and also has its own culture distinct from Detroit. There is a lot of culture sharing going both ways across the border though, but the two cities look and feel quite different. All said, the area does somewhat function and feel like one region, the Greater Detroit/Windsor region.