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Old Posted Mar 17, 2017, 6:16 PM
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I'm guessing FCP would be the biggest, at 2.7 million square feet.
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Why why why can't Toronto stop aping Chicago (or NYC, or Dallas .......)
I wish the city would just be content to be a better Toronto, without these constant comparisons.
Be yourself. That's the best option. Others will disagree, of course.
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Why why why can't Toronto stop aping Chicago (or NYC, or Dallas .......)
I wish the city would just be content to be a better Toronto, without these constant comparisons.
Be yourself. That's the best option. Others will disagree, of course.
Just because a few people get the urge to make a comparison between Toronto and some other city doesn't mean Toronto's trying to be like that city. Likewise, when Parisians compare their city to London it doesn't mean they're trying to ape London. Toronto is doing its own thing but comparing is something every person and every city on earth does. It's human nature.
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First Canadian Place is 2,700,120 sq ft. Pearson airport's Terminal 1 is 6,000,000 sq ft while West Edmonton Mall is 5,300,000 sq ft but for an office building FCP is likely the largest. Btw, Complex Desjardins in Montreal has 4,500,968 sq ft but it's not 1 tower. It's a massive podium that takes up an entire city block with 4 short towers rising from it.
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In terms of skyline, Toronto is not even in Chicago's league little alone a contender. That may change over time but even if all proposals right now were built, it still wouldn't be comparable to Chicago.
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A couple of recent Toronto pics. The gap between the two cities is closing fast.


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Yes the gap (skyline-wise) is closing, but not all that fast, because Chicago also keeps building, just at a slower pace than Toronto is. Toronto needs another 40 or 50 towers in the 120 - 180 metre range, another dozen or so 200 metre+ towers, and a handful of supertalls still, and then I would call them equal...
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Never been to Chicago but I'm already planning my 2nd trip to Toronto. Love the city!
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Why why why can't Toronto stop aping Chicago (or NYC, or Dallas .......)
I wish the city would just be content to be a better Toronto, without these constant comparisons.
Be yourself. That's the best option. Others will disagree, of course.
On the skyline department I think it's fine. Chicago is a good role model. Fairly nice looking over all. Definitely a better one than New York, which is their other obsession.


(Never seen anyone try to ape Dallas though. . . If it's going to try to copy a similarly sized city in the Americas it should aim for Santiago on the extensive metro front.)
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In terms of skyline, Toronto is not even in Chicago's league little alone a contender. That may change over time but even if all proposals right now were built, it still wouldn't be comparable to Chicago.
I wouldn't say that. It's a big skyline that looks impressive from many angles. My question to Toronto forumers is why does the city build so sprawling? There seems to be plenty of land near the central core and by the lake that could be developed. It's amazing to me how the skyline is perpendicular to the shoreline.
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I wouldn't say that. It's a big skyline that looks impressive from many angles. My question to Toronto forumers is why does the city build so sprawling? There seems to be plenty of land near the central core and by the lake that could be developed. It's amazing to me how the skyline is perpendicular to the shoreline.
Toronto's main street is Yonge. Perpendicular to the lake. That's where the subway is too, Toronto's very first subway line. In contrast, along the lake there is the Gardiner Expressway, which doesn't exactly help with density.

It hard to say Toronto made the wrong choice prioritizing transit on Yonge considering the transit ridership of Toronto is much, much higher than Chicago. Ultimately that is what drives higher density and will continue to drive higher density. And higher density isn't always in the form of skyscrapers either.
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I prefer that the skyline and density grew perpendicular to the lake along Yonge and the subway line. Along the lake seems like the more natural direction for a skyline but the Yonge spine has created the feeling of an endless city with clusters stretching north from the lake as far as one can see. We'll end up with a skyline along the lake too but it would be much harder to do things in the reverse. I doubt Chicago will ever develop a skyline running west perpendicular to Lake Michigan.
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