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Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280
Well his claim about Bronzeville is true, I know for a fact that there are very vocal elements within the community that are resisting gentrification for exactly the reasons he listed.
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Well, if you know for a
fact that redevelopment hasn't occurred because black people don't want white people around, I'm sure you won't have any problem providing evidence to bolster your claim.
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Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280
What I said wasn't at all based on conventional wisdom, but rather a serious of college courses and books on US race issues and urban sociology. It's widely accepted by sociologists that a major contributing factor to longevity of the social issues around race is that African Americans were so marginalized that eventually they accepted this marginalization and formed their own cultural group in resistance to the marginalization.
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Again, you invoke your authority (a "serious" of college courses) as a way of silencing criticism. Look, if you make claims like "it's widely accepted by sociologists [that x is the cause of y]," you better bring the goods (verifiable sources) to back it up. More often than not, on any issue—and especially on an issue as complex as inner city racial dynamics—there are going to be a bunch of competing theories. Vague appeals to your supposed credibility do not change this.
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Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280
You can attack me personally all you want, but that doesn't make you any less wrong.
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You've really got this victim routine down.
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Originally Posted by untitledreality
I wasn't aware that racism had a 'reverse' to it. Racism is racism and unfortunately it does work in the way that aic4ever mentions in many urban areas. Im not buying his particular example, but I have seen/experienced it first hand.
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Hope you noticed the quotation marks. I don't believe in it, either. Some people do, though. Here's an
introduction to the term.
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Originally Posted by aic4ever
There are a handful of them that don't want white people around. I don't know why that would be hard to believe if you understand the history of this country and this city, but if you don't want to believe me, you don't have to. You also don't live in Bronzeville, and unless and until you do, you probably don't have a much better option than to take my word for it about what I've observed while living here.
It's an impediment to development because they are part of a very vocal minority that almost brings every sign of progress to a halt. The demolition of the Pickford Theater was nearly stopped by one man who complained loudly enough, even though there was nothing left of the building but a rusting shell that DeLasalle would have let fall in on itself before they fixed it up. His arguments that I sat and listened to were based entirely upon reviving the Black Metropolis with federal funds.
I'm not going to claim that some kind of "reverse racism" (whatever that means...racism is racism) is roadblocking growth in Bronzeville. Racial dynamics will be overcome by anyone persistent enough to overcome them by proving to the community that growth is in its best interests. But at the same time, ignoring it, or for some reason insisting it doesn't exist, doesn't help anything either.
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Here's what you said:
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Originally Posted by aic4ever
I would note, as well, that there are a good portion of the more well-to-do black people in the community, and I speak of Bronzeville now in particular, that want to see the community grow back into what it once was, but don't want white people moving in. That's not hearsay or speculation, that's personal experience talking. There are some folks that are more adamant about that than others, but it does seem to be something of a general sentiment, particularly in the GAP.
As much as nobody wants that to be the case, it is, and it's another impediment to further development. It's not one that I think will stop Bronzeville from developing, as there's getting to be WAY too much residential around and nowhere near enough food or retail to support it for that stuff to NOT be built by somebody, but it is a sentiment that's going to make for a tougher growth of the community than it ought to be.
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It sounds like you're dialing it back. "A good portion" is much more than "a handful." And impediment = roadblock. What's more, your example of the Pickford Theater says nothing about racism, but it's telling that you think it does.