noirish Los Angeles - Page 1337

AlvaroLegido · #**26721** Posted **Mar 5, 2015, 8:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tourmaline

Undated - Cribville

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046727.jpg See alsohttp://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2555

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Originally Posted by fhammon

Thanks,Tourmaline. That photo looks familiar but I'm not sure where it is.
It's a "climb shot" so it must be somewhere west of Alameda. Can anybody place it using the taller buildings in the background as a clue. It ain't Ferguson that's for sure but I'd like place it and maybe indications of it an areal or some kind of overhead shot if possible.

We see this alley starting west from the middle of that section (with the railroad) which cuts the block between Los Angeles and Alameda. Post #12 663 page 634. Sorry, I'm unable to carry that photo to the current page.

HossC · #**26722** Posted **Mar 5, 2015, 9:00 PM**

The seller dates this slide at May 12, 1960. A quick check of the CDs tells us that Johnny Williamson's Williamson Motors was at 3153 W Pico Boulevard. The 1956 CD also lists a Williamson Motors gas station at 3131 W Pico, but that's gone by 1960. The 1960 CD does, however, list another branch of Williamson Motors at 1315 S La Brea Avenue. By 1961, the branch at 3153 W Pico has moved to 3131 W Pico (the old gas station address), and been replaced by Chieftain Pontiac at 3153 W Pico. The branch on S La Brea has also gone, but a new one at 4661 W Slauson has appeared. I haven't checked every CD in between, but the last mention of Williamson Motors is at the W Slauson address in the 1969 CD.

Back to the picture - is that a brand new Plymouth Valiant on the left?

eBay

The building survives (with additions), as do the palm trees on S Manhattan Place.

GSV

Just before I posted these images, I searched the thread and found that GaylordWilshire had posted a couple of nice pictures of Williamson Motors at 3153, and 3131 W Pico in post #11893. He also mentions the move to W Slauson.

HossC · #**26723** Posted **Mar 5, 2015, 9:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

mystery location.

found in an old file of mine / probably from ebay

The Plaza Market was at 4121 City Terrace Drive. Turn 90 degrees to the left and you'd be looking at the streamline Barbanell's drug store we found in post #25554. The building on the left is still recognizable.

GSV

Amazingly, the "Eva's Liquor" sign just behind the bus also survives.

GSV

ethereal_reality · #**26724** Posted **Mar 5, 2015, 11:18 PM**

Hoss, thanks for figuring out the location of my slide! It's great that the old blade sign is still intact....but I bet Eva is long gone.

I had this photograph in an old file of mine.

the description is:

"P.E. Bones near Valley Junction"

walking flowers

Can any of you rail-fans tell me what this rocket-shaped thing is?

-and if it is a leftover remnant from Pacific Electric railway why wasn't it ever removed?

Tourmaline · #**26725** Posted **Mar 5, 2015, 11:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

^^^Her book sounds interesting...I'll have to check it out Johnny_Socko.

Below: A great photo of the Sunset Strip in the 1950s.

found on ebay

Above: I believe the showgirl atop the billboard rotated.
I have no idea what she has in her hand....it looks like a football......or a whoopie cushion.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Here's another great billboard photo from 1974. I believe it's the same billboard as the Sahara billboard in post #827.

unknown/someone emailed me this great photo

"Chinatown" is one of my favorite movies, so I let out an audible 'gasp' when I first saw this photo.

In popular culture we know it as "The Strip" and "Sunset Strip" but was the name "Sunset Strip" ever officially adopted on street signage? In other words, did any municipality or county actually accept the name and put it on street signs?

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbvie...nset-strip.jpg

http://donmcgregor.com/_img/77sunset_strip_awning.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...4,203,200_.jpg

http://hollywoodhillshomes.com/wp-co...nset-strip.jpg

It had a curfew. (Next time, make sure to wear flowers in your hair.)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...41562286_o.jpg

1970 Its over

http://www.carneytrain.com/wp-conten...9&h=112&crop=1

It's fabulous.

http://ionamiller.weebly.com/uploads...317924.jpg?628

1950s It's dry.

http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...trip-1950s.png

It's wet

https://lintvwkbn.files.wordpress.co...6238.jpg?w=650

Its got a musical river

http://www.modestoview.com/wp-conten...ian-Wasser.jpg

It's colorful

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...vKfigJCcl-J76o

1969 Nice view partially obscured by someone's fanny

http://teentalkingcirclesdotcom.file.../billboard.jpg

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-ge...ARLBORO01H.jpg

ethereal_reality · #**26726** Posted **Mar 5, 2015, 11:44 PM**

An earlier scene along Sunset Boulevard, 1912.

Huntington Archive / filed under

The Huntington archive labeled this "Joint Pole Construction on Sunset Boulevard."

Does anyone have an idea where along Sunset this would have been taken?

below: Here is a detail of the above photograph. (there appears to be a similar cliff up ahead)

...are those stairs leading up the hillside on the left?

below: Can anyone tell me what those bulbous 'pimple-like' protrusions are along the cliff? (I count 6 of them)

detail

Tourmaline, it was great seeing that Chinatown billboard again. It's been a looong time since I it.

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Wig-Wag · #**26727** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 12:45 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Hoss, thanks for figuring out the location of my slide! It's great that the old blade sign is still intact....but I bet Eva is long gone.

I had this photograph in an old file of mine.

the description is:

"P.E. Bones near Valley Junction"

walking flowers

Can any of you rail-fans tell me what this rocket-shaped thing is?

-and if it is a leftover remnant from Pacific Electric railway why wasn't it ever removed?

ER, this as a Southern Pacific concrete telephone booth. Southern Pacific controlled the Pacific Electric until it sold the last of the passenger rail services to Metropolitan Coach Lines.

Valley Junction was where the PE's Northern District routes to Pasadena and San Bernardino diverged. With the end of passenger service on the Northern District, PE and later Southern Pacific continued to operate freight service to San Bernardino, Riverside and Redlands. Hence the survival of the SP Booth. Oh, and perhaps it's weight!!!

Here is a front view of one preserved at the Oceano railroad Station and Museum. Note my version of your Avatar!

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Cheers,
Jack

Slauson Slim · #**26728** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 12:54 AM**

The Music Hall record store, under the Fanny billboard, is where I bought Are You Experienced by Jimi Hendrix when it first came out. Also, later on that may have been the first location of Tower Records on The Strip.

Catercorner from the Music Hall is the Whisky A GoGo. Memories.........

Beaudry · #**26729** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 1:07 AM**

ER—fascinating, hadn't seen that in the Huntington before.

My guess is it's the "Sunset Cut" talked about previously here.

Doesn't have quite the same turn in the street as the original but GSV does funny things with perspective, also, I should have screengrabbed about 75' further down the road, now that I compare the two.

And those bulbous whatnots—I look forward to their explanation! I may make an expedition out there tomorrow to what if anything is left of their existence.

Wig-Wag · #**26730** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 1:14 AM**

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;6939106]mystery location.

Does anyone recognize this street view? I believe the street number on the Plaza Market sign is 4121 or 4123.

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Originally Posted by HossC

The Plaza Market was at 4121 City Terrace Drive. Turn 90 degrees to the left and you'd be looking at the streamline Barbanell's drug store we found in post #25554. The building on the left is still recognizable.

GSV

Amazingly, the "Eva's Liquor" sign just behind the bus also survives.

Good sleuthing, HossC. But that, along with the photo itself also brings up a bit of a mystery.

The destination sign reads 3 W. Sixth - Central Only. This was the route of the LARY/LATL/LAMTA No. 3 Line. This line was 9 miles long until extended to 3rd and Fairfax for a total length of 12.1 miles. The location in the photo however, is on the No. 2 Line - City Terrace-Hooper Avenue. This line was 10 miles long.
Also, a friend has pointed out some other interesting things in the photo. While under the wire, the trolley poles on the bus are down and locked and it looks as though someone at the rear of the bus is attempting to push it! This is all very strange!

Cheers,
Jack

CityBoyDoug · #**26731** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 1:15 AM**

In a post earlier I mentioned Knott's Berry Farm. Just outside the Park there's the famous Mrs. Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant.

Here's the meal. It always includes Soup, salad, cabbage, smashed potatoes/gravy, corn, biscuits n' butter, and a big piece of pie. $17.00 [in 1969 it was $2.25 cents.]
They've served millions and millions of dinners and currently gets very good reviews..

KBF Inc.

Tetsu · #**26732** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 1:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson

We're looking south from about 450 S. Broadway. This building on the left is the Alhambra Block, on the NE corner of 5th and Broadway, with the California Savings Bank on the ground floor. They may have had a branch office in Pasadena, I guess. The Forve-Pettibone Co. was located at 510-514 S. Broadway (building is still there). In any event, the Examiner (in 1910) was at 509-511 S. Broadway putting them on the west side of the street. Likewise the Unique Theater, below 6th Street, on the west side of the street at about 631.

Ah, thanks for the correction. I corrected my original post (and gave credit to you for the info of course).

fhammon · #**26733** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 1:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by AlvaroLegido

We see this alley starting west from the middle of that section (with the railroad) which cuts the block between Los Angeles and Alameda. Post #12 663 page 634. Sorry, I'm unable to carry that photo to the current page.

Thanks, AlvaroLegido! I see it as being just a little before where the tracks intersect Alameda, (upper left quadrant) the next alley south of Ferguson (extreme photo top leftish) leading to what remains of Calle de Los Negros. It seems that only the northern side of the alley's building remains in that photo. Well done!

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Originally Posted by AlvaroLegido

Remember this one ?

On the next photo, we see the railroad cutting the block between Los Angeles and Alameda starting north from the block on the previous photo (between San Pedro and Alameda).

Source: USC Digital Archive http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...NG-4129-T?v=hr

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Originally Posted by Tourmaline

Undated - Cribville

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics24/00046727.jpg See alsohttp://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2555

MichaelRyerson · #**26734** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 2:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Tetsu

Ah, thanks for the correction. I corrected my original post (and gave credit to you for the info of course).

No prob. My pleasure.

ethereal_reality · #**26735** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 2:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by Beaudry

And those bulbous whatnots—I look forward to their explanation! I may make an expedition out there tomorrow to what if anything is left of their existence.

If you go Beaudry please take your camera.
I've stared at those protrusions time and again, and still have absolutely no idea why they're there, or what they are.

Would you agree that they're man-made?
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Hey, thanks Wig-Wag for explaining what that rocket-shaped structure was. I would have never guessed a phone-booth.
I thought it was probably chock-full of frayed electrical cables.

Tourmaline · #**26736** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 3:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

I remembered there were two gasometers in this 1929 photo, looking east on Slauson from about Alsace Avenue. Historicaerials.com just now seems to be restarting all its servers, but before they went down the 1954 photo showed the gasometers were at 60th and St. Andrews, which is a little southwest of the Slauson/Western intersection. They were gone by 1972 but you can still see their outlines in the historicaerials.com photo from that year. In the photo below, the large rooftop sign just to the right of Slauson is for the West Coast Mesa Theater, which was at 5807 Crenshaw, just south of Slauson:

USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/13073

West Coast Mesa Theater:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8707
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/1035

Undated , Slauson-Western Gasometer

http://40.media.tumblr.com/b1967102f...t77o1_1280.jpg

1931 Gas Valves

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/18526/rec/3

Not to be outdone by the Slauson and Western area, in 1936, Venice had its own gasometers.

1936 - Venice Aerial

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/74975/rec/1

1936 - Venice Aerial depicting proposed beach front widening. (Gasometers at center right)

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/74975/rec/1

ethereal_reality · #**26737** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 3:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

The Robin Hood Motel is actually closer to Knott's Berry Farm than to Disneyland. Did you go to Knott's?

Yep, we hit Knotts Berry Farm CBD.
My Dad took more 8mm movies of the Calico Log Flume Ride than most of the rides at Disney. I guess we felt more at home at Knotts

Here is a fun map of Knotts Berry Farm about the same time as my family's visit. (1969)

http://vintagedisneylandtickets.blog...%27s%20Tickets

To be honest, I never understood the Independence Hall replica. (it seemed so out of place)

...and just for fun....a 1955 Knotts map for comparison. (pre-Independence Hall....pre-Calico Log Ride)

http://vintagedisneylandtickets.blog...%27s%20Tickets

tourist snapshot (late 1940s?)

My best memory at Knotts was panning for Gold! I kept my little capsule of gold for years.
I also had a little horseshoe that the blacksmith at Knotts hammered my name into. B R U C E. (I loved that horseshoe!)
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Godzilla · #**26738** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 4:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by HossC

It's difficult to tell. I got the 1943 date for 1260 W 2nd from honestbuildings.com. Their listing for 1262 W 2nd (the building highlighted by CBD) gives a build date of 1921, which means it must have existed when the USC picture was taken. That ties in with the Advance Electric Company's first listing in the 1923 CD, even though that's at 1260 W 2nd and nothing is listed at 1262 in the 1932 or 1936 CDs (the next two after the photo was taken). The 1932 CD shows a radio set supplier named F W Falk [sic] at 1260 W 2nd, and an animal hospital run by Walter L Curtis at 1264 W 2nd, which I'm assuming is the house on the right of the USC picture. By 1936, Fritz and Fred Falck's surname is spelled correctly again.

LAPL

Here's what the Falcks were selling in the June 1929 issue of 'Radio News'.

www.americanradiohistory.com (PDF file)

Moving on to the LA Adding Machine Company, here are the companies that appear at 1260 W 2nd Street in the 1960 CD (only the first three are in the 1956 CD). I can't see any listings for 1262 or 1264 W 2nd.

LAPL

Back to CBD's question, here's USC's head-on view from 1931.

USC Digital Library

I'm trying to work out if the house opposite, with the hideous front extension, could be the one seen in the reflection.

GSV

I hope this extra information can help someone decide whether the original Advance Electric Co building survives behind the current 1262 W 2nd Street frontage. After taking the Googlemobile up Emerald Street to view the roofs, I'd say it's possible, but I'm not 100% sure.

BTW, I think the house on the hill in the background of the USC pictures is the same one that appears at the top of the hill in old shots of the Belmont Tunnel, like this one posted by FredH in his Belmont Tunnel...Through the Years post.

Emerald Street caught my attention. So many changes since 1931 and Dave's Cut-Rate Serv at the corner of Second and Emerald, and Falck Radio.

Falck Radio

1931 Dave's Cut-rate http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/41643/rec/14

Watch for street car traffic.

What is posted longitudinally on the street post? (1200 Block)

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/41643/rec/14

Bunker Hill Charm? Good bye.

KNX Dr. Red-E-Power?

Before Ralph's "Plain Wrap" there was "no brand."

Godzilla · #**26739** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 4:45 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

An earlier scene along Sunset Boulevard, 1912.

Huntington Archive / filed under

The Huntington archive labeled this "Joint Pole Construction on Sunset Boulevard."

Does anyone have an idea where along Sunset this would have been taken?

below: Here is a detail of the above photograph. (there appears to be a similar cliff up ahead)

...are those stairs leading up the hillside on the left?

below: Can anyone tell me what those bulbous 'pimple-like' protrusions are along the cliff? (I count 6 of them)

detail

Tourmaline, it was great seeing that Chinatown billboard again. It's been a loooong time since I posted that.

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Could those protrusions cover lateral rather than longitudinal supports? Drainage or plumbing mains? Homage to Martian Cydonia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia...ion_of_Mars%29

Pictures reminded me of Cahuenga's 1935 construction. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24498

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock

~1935 - Widening Cahuenga

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/4335/rec/89

A better view of that new basement?

~1935 Cahuenga widening

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/4336/rec/20

ethereal_reality · #**26740** Posted **Mar 6, 2015, 4:50 AM**

Amazing finds Godzilla!

I especially liked this detail you posted.

A noirish slice of life.

....and that's an awfully short Shell sign.