New tax on development

[Urbanpdx]

Yes they would have to take it out of their own pockets or they would have to scrimp somewhere else (salaries, materials, quality, land prices, design fees, etc.)

[westsider]

Originally Posted by Urbanpdx

Yes they would have to take it out of their own pockets or they would have to scrimp somewhere else (salaries, materials, quality, land prices, design fees, etc.)

Or charge the people without the good fortune of being poor more for their units so their neighbor can live in the same place for half price. Pathetic.

[Urbanpdx]

Originally Posted by westsider

Or charge the people without the good fortune of being poor more for their units so their neighbor can live in the same place for half price. Pathetic.

If they were able to charge those people more don't you think they would already be doing it?

[Chicago3rd]

Well no one has shown that the developers will be paying for this out of their pockets. Because the of couse is a lie.

Here is some information form the Portland Housing Alliance webpage. Note nothing about developers funding such an agenda.....
http://www.oregonhousingalliance.org/agenda.html

Across Oregon, housing prices in the private market are out of reach of ordinary
people. The Housing Alliance believes that to succeed in life, everyone needs a
safe and stable place to call home. We are calling on the Legislature to:
• Dedicate new sources of funds to housing; and
• Allow local communities to use proven policy tools to meet their housing
needs.
ITEM 1 · Homes for hardworking families and our neighbors on fixed
incomes. The Housing Alliance requests $100 million in a combination of
one-time and ongoing revenues. All Oregonians should be able to afford
housing and still have enough money for groceries and other basic necessities.
SB 38.
ITEM 2 · Give local communities the freedom to create affordable housing.
Since 1999, local communities have been prevented from using an effective tool
to ensure that the market offers affordable housing options. The Legislature
should lift the prohibition on inclusionary zoning.
ITEM 3 · Assist residents displaced by the conversion of apartments to
condominiums. Apartment residents across the state are being displaced by
conversion of apartments to condominiums. We need to strengthen existing
state law to protect the rights of these tenants and provide them with real
alternatives. Our proposal will fix problems with existing notice requirements to
protect renters’ rights and require owners to pay the equivalent of three months
rent as relocation assistance.
ITEM 4 · Preserve the affordable homes that already exist across Oregon.
The Housing Alliance asks that the legislature task Oregon Housing and
Community Services with convening a broad based work group on preservation
issues. (This agenda item may move forward outside the legislative process.)
ITEM 5 · Assist residents whose homes may be lost by closure of
manufactured home parks. Skyrocketing land values are prompting park owners
to sell land for development, leaving residents homeless and often in debt on
mobile homes they cannot re-locate. We need strategies to assist residents and
to replace or save these units. HB 2096.
ITEM 6 · Allow flexibility needed to use Urban Renewal funds for affordable
housing. Local governments should have the flexibility to spend URA funds
outside the URA borders for affordable housing when doing so meets a
demonstrated community need.
ITEM 7 · Authorize deed restrictions and affordability covenants in statute.
These are important tools for ensuring that the dollars we invest in affordable
housing have the intended impact. We need to ensure that they are explicitly
authorized.
We need affordable homes for hardworking
families and our neighbors on fixed incomes
PROPOSED SOURCE OF FUNDS
REQUESTED
AMOUNT 2007
LEGISLATURE
Increase the Document Recording Fee
Modest increase to existing state fee
At least
60 million
Devote Lottery proceeds to fund housing
programs that support a vital economy 25 million
Allocate General Fund 10 million
Maintain dedication of utility ‘public
purpose’ funds
5 million
TOTAL for BIENNIUM $100 million
IN
GOVERNOR’S
BUDGET
15.8 million
15.6 Million
(Plus 2 million to
restore housing
finance account)
6.3 million
$39.7 million
How would these resources be used?
Oregon law spells out how these resources will be used: to meet housing needs of low
and very low-income Oregonians in both rural and urban areas. Oregon Housing and
Community Services has effective programs in place that maximize the impact of state
dollars and support community efforts to meet priority housing needs.
Shortages of affordable housing and homelessness affect all areas of Oregon. These
resources will fund locally-based strategies to meet the needs of hard-working families
and our neighbors on fixed incomes.
Our Priority Uses:
⇒ Develop new housing for low-income populations that the market cannot
serve, rehabilitate existing rental housing and keep it affordable, support
vulnerable populations with permanent housing plus supportive services,
and finance resident purchase of manufactured home parks.
⇒ End and prevent homelessness by providing housing and emergency
intervention.
⇒ Maintain a vital network of community-based housing providers and
support priority initiatives.
⇒ Put homeownership in reach for more Oregonians.
$80M
$10+M
$3.6M
$6.4M

Member Organizations
1000 Friends
Association of Oregon Community Development
Organizations
Association of Oregon Housing Authorities
CASA of Oregon
Central City Concern
City Club of Portland
City of Ashland
City of Beaverton
City of Eugene
City of Medford Housing & Community
Development Commission
City of Portland
City of Talent
Clackamas Community Land Trust
Clackamas Housing Action Network
Coalition for a Livable Future
Community Action Directors of Oregon
Community Alliance of Tenants
Community Development Network
Community Housing Fund
Community Partners for Affordable Housing
Ecumenical Ministries of Oregon
Enterprise Community Partners, Inc.
Habitat for Humanity of Oregon
Homeless Families Coalition
Housing Advocacy Group of Washington Co.
Housing Development Center
Interfaith Committee on Homelessness
Jackson County Housing Coalition
Lane County Legal Aid and Advocacy Center
League of Oregon Cities
League of Women Voters of Oregon
Lincoln County
Metro
Multnomah County
Neighborhood Economic Development Corporation
Neighborhood Partnership Fund
Network for Oregon Affordable Housing
Northwest Community Land Trust Coalition
Northwest Housing Alternatives
Oregon Action
Oregon Coalition on Housing & Homelessness
Oregon Food Bank
Portland Community Land Trust
Portland Community Reinvestment Initiatives, Inc.
Portland Impact
REACH CDC
Rogue Valley CDC
Rose CDC
St. Vincent DePaul of Lane County
Shelter Care
Sisters of the Road
2007 Housing Opportunity Agenda
Contact us:
Public Affairs Counsel
Mark Nelson, Erica Hagedorn
PO Box 12945 • Salem, OR 97309
(503) 363-7084
www.oregonhousingalliance.org Housing Alliance c/o Neighborhood Partnership Fund • 1020 SW Taylor St, Ste 680 • Portland, OR 97205 • 503-226-3001 x102

[Chicago3rd]

Originally Posted by Urbanpdx

If they were able to charge those people more don't you think they would already be doing it?

Sorry society already agrees we are to help those in need. It is our Judeo/Christian background (on a good day). So we aren't really hear to discuss this of how the people are poor or stay poor, but we are discussing how to help them out and how to have cultural and economical diverse cities.

[Urbanpdx]

Again Chicago, I am not sure what you are trying to say here.

I was responding to Westsider who suggests that the people buying the expensive condos would pay more to cover the loss incured due to the inclusive zoning. I was saying that, if a $1 million condo buyer would still be willing to buy if the price was $1.1 million the developer would be charging that now. They are not just giving away a good portion of their profit now because this type of zoning is not allowed. If it happens they will still have to sell the units they build at market prices (ie. the $1 million) but will get the money some where else like salaries, materials, quality, land prices, design fees, etc.

[Chicago3rd]

Originally Posted by Urbanpdx

Again Chicago, I am not sure what you are trying to say here.

I was responding to Westsider who suggests that the people buying the expensive condos would pay more to cover the loss incured due to the inclusive zoning. I was saying that, if a $1 million condo buyer would still be willing to buy if the price was $1.1 million the developer would be charging that now. They are not just giving away a good portion of their profit now because this type of zoning is not allowed. If it happens they will still have to sell the units they build at market prices (ie. the $1 million) but will get the money some where else like salaries, materials, quality, land prices, design fees, etc.

You specifically said: "It is just unfair to tax a certain small group (owners of developable land) instead of everyone."

You have no examples that have been realistically used. The funding will come from a broad array of sources.

[westsider]

You can be pretty sure that when faced with extra requirements like "affordable housing" that threaten to cut into profits, the developer will use every possible means to squeeze a little more out of the buyers. Either that or scrimp on the less notable features they hope won't turn off buyers.

[Chicago3rd]

Originally Posted by westsider

You can be pretty sure that when faced with extra requirements like "affordable housing" that threaten to cut into profits, the developer will use every possible means to squeeze a little more out of the buyers. Either that or scrimp on the less notable features they hope won't turn off buyers.

It isn't happening in other places so you cannot be assured. At least I am honest. I want this type of program to exist but I believe it is a burden that should be shared by all. Those against it...they just don't like government...and that is the only thing that can be assured....and they tend to believe capitalism has no dark side. We need both to work together AND to keep each in line. Most of the success of downtown is due to this joint venture over the last 3 or 4 decades.

[Urbanpdx]

Originally Posted by Chicago3rd

You specifically said: "It is just unfair to tax a certain small group (owners of developable land) instead of everyone."

You have no examples that have been realistically used. The funding will come from a broad array of sources.

Maybe you could name a few so I can understand your point...

[Chicago3rd]

Originally Posted by Urbanpdx

Maybe you could name a few so I can understand your point...

Honey I provided a source. Please read...or is that not taught in homeschool anymore?

[Urbanpdx]

I guess that public school education left me lacking. Which post?

[Chicago3rd]

Originally Posted by Urbanpdx

I guess that public school education left me lacking. Which post?

#24

[Urbanpdx]

Originally Posted by Chicago3rd

Well no one has shown that the developers will be paying for this out of their pockets. Because the of couse is a lie.

Here is some information form the Portland Housing Alliance webpage. Note nothing about developers funding such an agenda.....
http://www.oregonhousingalliance.org/agenda.html

Across Oregon, housing prices in the private market are out of reach of ordinary
people. The Housing Alliance believes that to succeed in life, everyone needs a
safe and stable place to call home. We are calling on the Legislature to:
• Dedicate new sources of funds to housing; and
• Allow local communities to use proven policy tools to meet their housing
needs.
ITEM 1 · Homes for hardworking families and our neighbors on fixed
incomes. The Housing Alliance requests $100 million in a combination of
one-time and ongoing revenues. All Oregonians should be able to afford
housing and still have enough money for groceries and other basic necessities.
SB 38.
ITEM 2 · Give local communities the freedom to create affordable housing.
Since 1999, local communities have been prevented from using an effective tool
to ensure that the market offers affordable housing options. The Legislature
should lift the prohibition on inclusionary zoning.
ITEM 3 · Assist residents displaced by the conversion of apartments to
condominiums. Apartment residents across the state are being displaced by
conversion of apartments to condominiums. We need to strengthen existing
state law to protect the rights of these tenants and provide them with real
alternatives. Our proposal will fix problems with existing notice requirements to
protect renters’ rights and require owners to pay the equivalent of three months
rent as relocation assistance.
ITEM 4 · Preserve the affordable homes that already exist across Oregon.
The Housing Alliance asks that the legislature task Oregon Housing and
Community Services with convening a broad based work group on preservation
issues. (This agenda item may move forward outside the legislative process.)
ITEM 5 · Assist residents whose homes may be lost by closure of
manufactured home parks. Skyrocketing land values are prompting park owners
to sell land for development, leaving residents homeless and often in debt on
mobile homes they cannot re-locate. We need strategies to assist residents and
to replace or save these units. HB 2096.
ITEM 6 · Allow flexibility needed to use Urban Renewal funds for affordable
housing. Local governments should have the flexibility to spend URA funds
outside the URA borders for affordable housing when doing so meets a
demonstrated community need.
ITEM 7 · Authorize deed restrictions and affordability covenants in statute.
These are important tools for ensuring that the dollars we invest in affordable
housing have the intended impact. We need to ensure that they are explicitly
authorized.
We need affordable homes for hardworking
families and our neighbors on fixed incomes
PROPOSED SOURCE OF FUNDS
REQUESTED
AMOUNT 2007
LEGISLATURE
Increase the Document Recording Fee
Modest increase to existing state fee
At least
60 million
Devote Lottery proceeds to fund housing
programs that support a vital economy 25 million
Allocate General Fund 10 million
Maintain dedication of utility ‘public
purpose’ funds
5 million
TOTAL for BIENNIUM $100 million
IN
GOVERNOR’S
BUDGET
15.8 million
15.6 Million
(Plus 2 million to
restore housing
finance account)
6.3 million
$39.7 million
How would these resources be used?
Oregon law spells out how these resources will be used: to meet housing needs of low
and very low-income Oregonians in both rural and urban areas. Oregon Housing and
Community Services has effective programs in place that maximize the impact of state
dollars and support community efforts to meet priority housing needs.
Shortages of affordable housing and homelessness affect all areas of Oregon. These
resources will fund locally-based strategies to meet the needs of hard-working families
and our neighbors on fixed incomes.
Our Priority Uses:
⇒ Develop new housing for low-income populations that the market cannot
serve, rehabilitate existing rental housing and keep it affordable, support
vulnerable populations with permanent housing plus supportive services,
and finance resident purchase of manufactured home parks.
⇒ End and prevent homelessness by providing housing and emergency
intervention.
⇒ Maintain a vital network of community-based housing providers and
support priority initiatives.
⇒ Put homeownership in reach for more Oregonians.
$80M
$10+M
$3.6M
$6.4M

Member Organizations
1000 Friends
Association of Oregon Community Development
Organizations
Association of Oregon Housing Authorities
CASA of Oregon
Central City Concern
City Club of Portland
City of Ashland
City of Beaverton
City of Eugene
City of Medford Housing & Community
Development Commission
City of Portland
City of Talent
Clackamas Community Land Trust
Clackamas Housing Action Network
Coalition for a Livable Future
Community Action Directors of Oregon
Community Alliance of Tenants
Community Development Network
Community Housing Fund
Community Partners for Affordable Housing
Ecumenical Ministries of Oregon
Enterprise Community Partners, Inc.
Habitat for Humanity of Oregon
Homeless Families Coalition
Housing Advocacy Group of Washington Co.
Housing Development Center
Interfaith Committee on Homelessness
Jackson County Housing Coalition
Lane County Legal Aid and Advocacy Center
League of Oregon Cities
League of Women Voters of Oregon
Lincoln County
Metro
Multnomah County
Neighborhood Economic Development Corporation
Neighborhood Partnership Fund
Network for Oregon Affordable Housing
Northwest Community Land Trust Coalition
Northwest Housing Alternatives
Oregon Action
Oregon Coalition on Housing & Homelessness
Oregon Food Bank
Portland Community Land Trust
Portland Community Reinvestment Initiatives, Inc.
Portland Impact
REACH CDC
Rogue Valley CDC
Rose CDC
St. Vincent DePaul of Lane County
Shelter Care
Sisters of the Road
2007 Housing Opportunity Agenda
Contact us:
Public Affairs Counsel
Mark Nelson, Erica Hagedorn
PO Box 12945 • Salem, OR 97309
(503) 363-7084
www.oregonhousingalliance.org Housing Alliance c/o Neighborhood Partnership Fund • 1020 SW Taylor St, Ste 680 • Portland, OR 97205 • 503-226-3001 x102

So, here is your post #24. How does this have anything to do with the proposal to allow inclusionary mandates on new development?