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I can see it on the close-up. It looks great.
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It's sad when a 1,000 tower is just 'filler'. Easy on the eyes no doubt- but they could have been more ambitious here. While NY's residential architecture has really been to some amazing places the last several years - the commercial development has not gotten there.

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^ They got a large site, lots of air rights, little restrictions and yet all they can come up with is a glass podium with a fat glass box on top.

My fear is that Foster knows NY now (don't go for the fancy stuff like 2 WTC with the diamonds and stuff because that will just get valued engineered out or rejected. Go for the economical box) and this is the formula he has for all his future NY commissions, i.e. Chase's 270 Park Ave.

For the Chase tower, he might even go daring a bit and throw in a few gimmicky cross bracings to give the skin some visual interest and watch all of the fanboys here lap it up.
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By the same token, no American city remotely approaches the quality of office towers rising in NY. Chicago is the master of ennui in terms of office construction, and other US cities, like Dallas, Atlanta, and Charlotte, are building a handful of small, cheap boxes. Not to mention, the boutique buildings rising in the MP District have unparalleled quality.
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^ They got a large site, lots of air rights, little restrictions and yet all they can come up with is a glass podium with a fat glass box on top.
The office market in NYC is finance-oriented, which demands huge floorplates and trading floors, and the grid/zoning generally requires box-on-podium design. Architects align design to market demand and regulatory requirements.

In any case, there are lots of examples of skinny supertalls, then people complain "too skinny". When we get a fat supertall, it's apparently "too fat".
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The office market in NYC is finance-oriented, which demands huge floorplates and trading floors, and the grid/zoning generally requires box-on-podium design. Architects align design to market demand and regulatory requirements.

In any case, there are lots of examples of skinny supertalls, then people complain "too skinny". When we get a fat supertall, it's apparently "too fat".
Right,

I like the mix of some really skinny + fat supertall buildings personally.

I think this building will be extremely imposing and it'll work well with its neighbors (new and old)

I do hope that Phase II of the HY will yield a taller tower than 30HY though. Or maybe one of the other adjacent sites.
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The office market in NYC is finance-oriented, which demands huge floorplates and trading floors, and the grid/zoning generally requires box-on-podium design. Architects align design to market demand and regulatory requirements.

In any case, there are lots of examples of skinny supertalls, then people complain "too skinny". When we get a fat supertall, it's apparently "too fat".
You do realize that complaining about something being too skinny (not that I did) does not mean that a fat building is good, right?

And I don't really have a problem with fat per se if the design was good. It being a box is my issue with it.
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Compared to 110 North Wacker or the new CNA tower in Chicago, 50 HY is spectacular, let alone compared to the new NCR "tower" in Atlanta or the new Ally or BofA towers rising in Charlotte, etc. The same is true with fat lame boxes rising in Denver and Dallas.

In fact, while NY is heads and shoulders above all other cities in terms of office tower design, at least Chi., Atl., Dallas, Denver, LA, SF, Charlotte, and Houston are building office towers. Most US cities are not.
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For the Chase tower, he might even go daring a bit and throw in a few gimmicky cross bracings to give the skin some visual interest and watch all of the fanboys here lap it up.
Foster designed exactly what Related wanted for the site. A meaty office tower with large floor plates, the kind of tower the Hudson Yards was specifically rezonned for. And they are building it right next to 30 Hudson, a tower of the same size. There was no reason for Related to do anything other than what they are building on this site. It will be one of the city's top office towers, and I'm not talking about the height. It's the type of office tower that makes New York City business districts what they are. Sure there are flashier office towers, but its towers like this that hold it all together. It just so happens that because this tower is being built now, and not 50 years ago, its taller than other towers of similar size, gaining supertall status. But in a city of so many tall towers, supertall status no longer means skyline defining. They're not all going to be ESB's or WTC's. And BTW, if you're not a "fanboy", what are you doing on a skyscraper website???
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Foster designed exactly what Related wanted for the site. A meaty office tower with large floor plates, the kind of tower the Hudson Yards was specifically rezonned for. And they are building it right next to 30 Hudson, a tower of the same size. There was no reason for Related to do anything other than what they are building on this site. It will be one of the city's top office towers, and I'm not talking about the height. It's the type of office tower that makes New York City business districts what they are. Sure there are flashier office towers, but its towers like this that hold it all together. It just so happens that because this tower is being built now, and not 50 years ago, its taller than other towers of similar size, gaining supertall status. But in a city of so many tall towers, supertall status no longer means skyline defining. They're not all going to be ESB's or WTC's. And BTW, if you're not a "fanboy", what are you doing on a skyscraper website???
Having large floor plates does not preclude an architect from making it more interesting than a plain box (albeit a quality one) on top of a podium. Are we suppose to celebrate that and what exactly should we be greatful for? That there might actually be something worse and that we should be happy for what we got?

Look at the Spiral next door or 2 WTC. They are both large floor plated designs but at least BIG gave us an interesting departure from the plain box. So it is entirely possible to be large/fat but still have some kind of architectural flair, so to speak.

And just because someone does not praise 99% of the projects (like you would like everyone here to do) does not mean we can't be skyscraper development fans.

We all have opinions and a forum moderators' job is not to stifle differences in opinions.

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Having large floor plates does not preclude an architect from making it more interesting than a plain box (albeit a quality one) on top of a podium. Are we suppose to celebrate that and what exactly should we be greatful for? That there might actually be something worse and that we should be happy for what we got?

Look at the Spiral next door or 2 WTC. They are both large floor plated designs but at least BIG gave us an interesting departure from the plain box. So it is entirely possible to be large/fat but still have some kind of architectural flair, so to speak.
You speak as if those designs are universally praised as great. They aren't, ask your "peers" here.


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And no, I would not like everyone to like everything here. But your use of terms to describe the people who are here suggest you should better spend your time away.




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