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Originally Posted by Via Chicago
the guy making 50k ranting and raving about the person making 62k, rather than the C suite person making 5 million.
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Most of the people who don't like unions are making $75, 100, 150k a year and think it is absurd to hand out benefits and wages like they are candy. They are also probably equally disallsioned with executive pay.
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this is the way the elite like it. so yea, lets blame the teachers who have had the foresight to fight for their own self interest, rather than taking the appropriate steps to advance your own.
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At least you are honest about it, the union themselves loves to claim "we are striking for the children". No you are not, you are striking because you want a raise.
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unions could come back tomorrow if the american working class wanted them to (and the reality is the vast majority of office workers are indeed working class wage slaves).
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No they couldn't. In case you haven't noticed virtually all unionized industries have simply left the country. Again, totally out of touch with reality, how are unions going to come back when the entire infrastructure and industry that supported them collapsed (partially under the burden imposed by unions, see non-union Toyota Plants in the South which, suprise suprise, pay pretty damn well anyhow with out unionization). The fact is unions in the industrialized Midwest grew too powerful and too greedy. As such the entire ecosystem that supported them simply went to greener pastures at the first availible oppurtunity.
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but its more fun to demonize your own neighbors as "greedy" for having the audacity to ask for COL increases (which despite what TUP claims, private sector workers do generally get at a minimum) and better working conditions. leave it to the average american to actively fight against their own self interests.
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Or the "average American" is perfectly content having moved from the middle class to the upper middle class and sees dinosaur policies like pensions for what they are: relics of a bygone era. Maybe the average office worker isn't willing to join a union and submit to monthly dues and a set wage increased only by seniority simply so they can have a 40 hour work week instead of being asked to answer emails after business hours (oh the horror!). Maybe the average person wants to have a shot at performance based pay instead of being relegated to a system where you are paid simply by how long you've been there? Maybe the economy has gone through like three complete reinventions since unions were relevant and the role unions played in protecting workers from falling into a vat of moten steel just don't exist when you get to sit in an aircondiioned office and read emails all day instead of dragging around a giant wrench to adjust the widgets in a dirty hot dangerous environment? Of course not, it's still 1950 and unions are still relevant.
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for those complaining, what is your definition of a "fair" salary and benefits for a teacher? why should they not be allowed to live a middle class life in a city that they are helping educate, and are living in? no one is getting wealthy off of being a middle school teacher. and this is coming from a private sector worker. i value the work our teachers do, its FAR more important to the world than what i do all day (marketing). they deserve everything they get and then some. if i could join a union in my industry i would in a heartbeat.
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A fair salary would be pay based upon how well they teach, not how long they are there. A fair salary would mean actually contributing to their health care and retirement plans like literally everyone else in the modern economy. A fair salary would mean not having a dinosaur pension system which no one else gets and is a totally outdated (and disasterous) way of providing for people's retirements. And yes, the people at the top of the CPS pay scale making $120k+ a year with a matching pension are damn close to wealthy. No one in this world gets to keep making their salary after they retire, only people with rediculous benefits like that.