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Old Posted Dec 4, 2023, 5:15 PM
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*Renamed: Victims of Most Eastern European Communism Memorial

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Victims of Communism memorial doesn’t mention those killed in Laos, North Korea; also missing key Korean war battle: documents
The Canadian government quietly postponed the planned November unveiling of the monument, now essentially completed at a fenced-off site along Wellington Street.

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Nov 24, 2023 • Last updated 5 minutes ago • 3 minute read


A key Korean War battle fought by Canadians has been left off the Victims of Communism memorial as well as any mention of the tens of thousands who died in Laos and millions in North Korea, Canadian diplomats warn.

The Victims of Communism monument, to be inaugurated in Ottawa in 2024, is supposed to be a memorial to those who suffered under communism and will include a wall of remembrance to list names of individuals, groups and key events.

The memorial is already facing scrutiny after concerns were raised that alleged Nazi collaborators who participated in the Holocaust would be honoured on the monument.

But in 2021 officials from Global Affairs Canada questioned why a key Korean War battle fought by Canadians wasn’t included. In addition, while events in Vietnam are highlighted, the victims of communism in Laos are ignored by the memorial, according to emailed warnings obtained by this newspaper under the Access to Information law.

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BTW there are still no plaques in place. I guess they are still trying to figure them out.

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Why TF do we need specifics in a plaque. Just the part in the middle would have been fine.

Or just an inlay in that lovely podium. "Communism: Bad"
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Victims of Communism memorial focus on Vietnam could create backlash, documents warn
Vietnam is a key focus of the memorial when it comes to the list of events to be displayed, a situation that could prove to be controversial.

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Jan 08, 2024 • Last updated 5 hours ago • 3 minute read


The Victims of Communism memorial to be unveiled in Ottawa sometime this year has a high degree of focus on Vietnam, potentially setting the stage for a strong negative reaction from that nation, Canadian diplomats have warned.

Vietnam is Canada’s largest trading partner in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and as one of the world’s fastest growing economies it will play a key role in Canada’s Indo-Pacific Strategy, according to Global Affairs Canada.

But Vietnam is also a key focus of the Victims of Communism memorial when it comes to the list of events to be displayed, a situation that could prove to be controversial.

“While there could be good reasons as to why Vietnam would appear more frequently on this list, omitting to highlight other countries or events where there were many victims due to communism would risk an even stronger reaction from Vietnam,” Canadian diplomats warned in a 2021 analysis. The records, released under the Access to Information law, were obtained by this newspaper.

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Why TF do we need specifics in a plaque. Just the part in the middle would have been fine.

Or just an inlay in that lovely podium. "Communism: Bad"

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Victims of Communism memorial focus on Vietnam could create backlash, documents warn
Vietnam is a key focus of the memorial when it comes to the list of events to be displayed, a situation that could prove to be controversial.

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Jan 08, 2024 • Last updated 5 hours ago • 3 minute read


The Victims of Communism memorial to be unveiled in Ottawa sometime this year has a high degree of focus on Vietnam, potentially setting the stage for a strong negative reaction from that nation, Canadian diplomats have warned.

Vietnam is Canada’s largest trading partner in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and as one of the world’s fastest growing economies it will play a key role in Canada’s Indo-Pacific Strategy, according to Global Affairs Canada.

But Vietnam is also a key focus of the Victims of Communism memorial when it comes to the list of events to be displayed, a situation that could prove to be controversial.

“While there could be good reasons as to why Vietnam would appear more frequently on this list, omitting to highlight other countries or events where there were many victims due to communism would risk an even stronger reaction from Vietnam,” Canadian diplomats warned in a 2021 analysis. The records, released under the Access to Information law, were obtained by this newspaper.

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Fascists that look up to Putin? Kind of like Trump?
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Should've just called it "To the victims of totalitarian oppressive regimes". Otherwise it's just asking to be vandalized.
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Should've just called it "To the victims of totalitarian oppressive regimes". Otherwise it's just asking to be vandalized.
Even then, it would still get vandalized. Some people love totalitarian oppressive regimes, in fact, nearly half of America is eager to get into one!
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Even then, it would still get vandalized. Some people love totalitarian oppressive regimes, in fact, nearly half of America is eager to get into one!
That's the catch. They don't see it as an oppressive totalitarian regime. And if they are against it, then they agree that it's an oppressive totalitarian regime and their worldview is broken.
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Concern over Hunka scandal contributed to delay in unveiling Victims of Communism memorial: documents
Planning for the unveiling came to a grinding halt on Oct. 13, according to records obtained by this newspaper under the Access to Information law.

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Feb 21, 2024 • Last updated 4 hours ago • 3 minute read


The unveiling of the Victims of Communism memorial was put on hold because of the controversy over parliamentarians honouring a Waffen SS soldier and potential links between the monument and Nazi collaborators, newly released records show.

The Ottawa memorial was supposed to be unveiled Nov. 2, 2023, and Department of Canadian Heritage planning for that event was in its final stages in early October, according to the records obtained by this newspaper using the Access to Information law.

But on Sept. 22, Yaroslav Hunka of North Bay, Ont., was recognized in the House of Commons by all MPs with a standing ovation. He had been introduced as a Ukrainian Canadian war veteran and a hero, but news quickly emerged that he had served in a Ukrainian Waffen SS unit that fought for the Nazis.

The incident became an international embarrassment for Canada as Holocaust historians, Jewish groups and the Polish government alleged that Hunka’s unit, SS Galicia, had been involved in war crimes, including the massacres of women and children.

The fallout of the Hunka scandal had a direct impact on the unveiling of the Memorial to the Victims of Communism, which had already been criticized for honouring Nazi collaborators and Holocaust perpetrators. Planning for the unveiling came to a grinding halt on Oct. 13, the records show.

“We’ve already chatted about the issues with the Wall of Remembrance, so I think you can imagine that the recent incident of the Ukrainian SS officer who was honoured in the House has had an impact on this project, especially as the matter of possibly Nazi collaborators being included on the Wall has been previously reported in the media,” wrote Sandra Richards, project manager for monuments and public art at Canadian Heritage.

The Victims of Communism memorial is supposed to honour those who suffered under communism and will include a wall of remembrance that will allow 600 names of individuals, groups or events to be listed.

But concerns have been raised by Jewish organizations that names of eastern Europeans who collaborated with the Nazis in the Holocaust have been put forward in an attempt to whitewash their past.

Canadian government officials have already identified some individuals who served with the Waffen SS among those names submitted, according to other federal documents obtained by this newspaper. Other alleged Nazi collaborators associated with the memorial have also been identified by the Canadian Heritage, but the exact number is censored from the records.

“It is important to note that many anti-communist and anti-Soviet advocates and fighters were also active Nazi collaborators, who committed documented massacres,” Global Affairs Canada officials warned their counterparts at Canadian Heritage in 2021.

“We anticipate that the listing of names that are not thoroughly vetted and the result of a broad consensus could generate significant controversy both in Canada and abroad,” the diplomats added.

Private donations had already been made to the monument in the names of Nazi collaborators, the CBC reported in July 2021. Those included Roman Shukhevych, a Ukrainian nationalist whose troops murdered Jews and Poles, and Ante Pavelić who ran a Nazi puppet regime in Croatia and is considered a chief perpetrator of the Holocaust in the Balkans, the CBC reported.

The $7.5-million Memorial to the Victims of Communism, financed mainly by the federal government, is now essentially completed at a fenced-off site along Wellington Street in downtown Ottawa.

The Department of Canadian Heritage did not provide comment.

However, a statement posted at a government website for the project on Oct. 18 said that, “although the Memorial to the Victims of Communism-Canada, a Land of Refuge was scheduled to be inaugurated by the end of 2023, the Government of Canada is doing its due diligence to ensure all aspects of the memorial remain compatible with Canadian values on democracy and human rights.”

Canadian Heritage noted it was “reviewing all aspects of the project” before the unveiling. That included the names of individuals, groups or events provided by Tribute to Liberty, the proponent of the project, department spokesperson Caroline Czajkowski said in a previous statement.

“We are not in a position to disclose further information about the process at this stage,” she added. No date has been publicly announced for the unveiling.

The main spokesperson for Tribute to Liberty did not respond to a request for comment.

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Should I repeat again what I posted twice already?

There's already an issue having 'proponents' at all baked into a National Memorial.

Then you want to shoehorn your way into just 600 names to be engraved in stone for an issue that has affected almost all continents on Earth?

Just leave the title of the monument in the centre, and engrave some maple leaves or something on the blank portions and call it a day. That way, if people need to come down to the monument to reflect, they can do so in their own way without having a bunch of questionable names staring at them.
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Then you want to shoehorn your way into just 600 names to be engraved in stone for an issue that has affected almost all continents on Earth?

Just leave the title of the monument in the centre, and engrave some maple leaves or something on the blank portions and call it a day. That way, if people need to come down to the monument to reflect, they can do so in their own way without having a bunch of questionable names staring at them.
So much this.

Monuments are meant to have an element of abstraction to them. They represent a thing, after all. They are not the thing. They represent it.

I hate monuments that have an element of Phone Book to them.
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Agreed. Shouldn't add names on there, especially when it's people who only bought their way to the wall, not necessarily people who are victims of communism (or whatever it may be).

No doubt Feds will be sued by these people if they refuse to add the names.
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Agreed. Shouldn't add names on there, especially when it's people who only bought their way to the wall, not necessarily people who are victims of communism (or whatever it may be).

No doubt Feds will be sued by these people if they refuse to add the names.
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