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Old Posted Nov 15, 2013, 6:48 AM
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gosh it'll be nice to have something filling that awful gap. Now if only they can work on building across from Lister and fixing up the buildings next to the parking lot where the Cellar is!
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^One of Hamilton's big suburban home builders (perhaps Silvestri) has been sitting on that lot for decades - common story in this town.
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^One of Hamilton's big suburban home builders (perhaps Silvestri) has been sitting on that lot for decades - common story in this town.
This is the reason I would like to see an investigation into who owns all the land that is supposedly going to become warehouses up at the aerotropolis. Seeing who is sitting on the land up there will tell us a lot about what kind of development we can expect - if any.
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This is the reason I would like to see an investigation into who owns all the land that is supposedly going to become warehouses up at the aerotropolis. Seeing who is sitting on the land up there will tell us a lot about what kind of development we can expect - if any.
One of the big property owners in the Airport area was Kaneff out of Toronto. I don't know if they still are or if they sold it off. The other big property owner is Dave Braley. He's developing the area they are working on along Upper James right now.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2013, 6:46 AM
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^One of Hamilton's big suburban home builders (perhaps Silvestri) has been sitting on that lot for decades - common story in this town.
Most of that block was owned by one company not too long ago.
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Paul Wilson: Hamilton's oldest puzzle is made of stone

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...tone-1.2457288

Right now Hamilton is trying to coax a developer to save the facades of some buildings on Gore Park that are older than Canada itself.

The city has come up with about $1 million, but David Blanchard says his costs could be twice that. And he has demolition permits in hand. So we wait and worry.

Meanwhile, a couple of blocks away on James Street North, a historic piece of Hamilton’s streetscape is ready to be saved in a way that’s never been done in this city before – a way that could work on the Gore too.

The James North project involves a thousand-piece jigsaw of sandstone that used to be the front of the four-storey Thomas Building.

It used to stand beside the Lister Block. The Thomas Building is not as imposing as the Lister, but it’s many decades older.

The name comes from architect William Thomas, 1799 – 1860, prolific in every way. He was father to 10 children, and to buildings by the dozen. A few examples: in Toronto, the St. Lawrence Hall and Market; in Queenston, the spectacular Brock Monument; in Hamilton, St. Paul’s Presbyterian, still a showpiece on James South.

Just two left

He built fine homes in this city too, like Ballinahinch, at the foot of the Mountain. As for commercial buildings by Thomas, there are just two that survive here. One is the 1840s Kerr building on Gore Park, the very structure that’s now at risk.

The other, the 1855 Thomas Building. The city designated it under the Ontario Heritage Act in 2008, so had some bargaining power with the owners. They would be the Hi-Rise Group, which in partnership with the LIUNA labourers union, restored the derelict Lister Block and then sold it to the city.

The city told Hi–Rise they could take down the Thomas Building as long as they saved the facade. And it would need to go back up when the developer built something on that property.

We found out in October that there are plans in place. Hi-Rise said they want to build a 16-storey $35-million condo complex. It will rise behind the facade. Sales start in the spring.

Isn’t that going to be tricky, putting all those chunks of old stone back together again?

“It’s done in other places all the time,” says Carolyn Samko. “Just not here yet.”

Bring it down right


Samko now works for the city, responsible for making sure structures like Dundurn Castle and Whitehern are looked after. But several years ago, she was a heritage consultant. And she had the job of making sure the Thomas came down right.

A mason named John Laundry, whose restoration work includes the Parliament Buildings, helped her with a plan for the job.

Samko went up on scaffolding with a computer-generated map of the facade, eyeballed all that old stone. She took pictures and did a condition report for every piece.

Then disassembly began. The top edge of each stone was cleaned, and painted with latex. That gave Samko a surface on which to number the pieces with an indelible marker.

Each stone was then removed with slings or padded scissor claws, placed on skids, protected with castoff carpet. There are between 1,000 and 1,250 stone pieces in all, on 46 skids. They are in a rented warehouse under lock and key, stored with the inventory sheet and map that tells how to put them all back together.

Some pieces missing

Unfortunately, like that old jigsaw puzzle up at the cottage, some pieces are missing. In the early 60s, somebody decided it would be a good idea to smash off the projecting pieces of stone – the cornices and the window hoods – so they could hammer on some metal siding.

New pieces will have to be made. And they won’t be from that same sandstone. “It’s not available anymore,” Samko explains, “nothing that looks like it or has the same texture.”

With Samko otherwise occupied, Hi-Rise will use heritage consultant Megan Hobson to direct putting the puzzle back together.

“But make no mistake, we will still be driving Carolyn crazy and making her come and take a look at things,” says Shawn Marr, director of operations with Hi-Rise.

“I’ll want to,” Samko says. “It becomes your baby.”

Abundant light

Over the years, this building housed tailors, watchmakers, clothiers, billiards, a hardware, the Model Cloak & Suit Company, the H & F Silk Woolen Company, and the popular Clark’s Business College, which declared its premises offered “abundant light, commodious rooms and perfect ventilation.”

In short, the Thomas Building represents many generations of Hamilton life. And at least the part of it we all see from the street will be saved.

Any good reason why the facade-by-numbers method couldn’t work in Gore Park?

Marr of Hi-Rise isn’t going to comment on that. “However, I will say that while there’s a significant premium to put the Thomas facade back up, it’s not a deal breaker.

“People like history, so there’s a payback,” he says. “Whoever thought that being next to Lister Block would one day be a positive?”
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2013, 12:13 AM
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pretty rich that Hi-Rise group is touting the value of heritage when Blanchard is pretty much following the Liuna playbook on Gore park
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If there's money to be made, almost any opinion can be swayed. Lets not forget that Hi-Rise and LIUNA are no more innocent than Blanchard. It was a very, very large chunk of public change that made them reconsider.
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Doing some drilling for the new condo planned to go up by the lister block.

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Excellent.
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Great news

...and we're getting close to getting some new renderings already because the sales centre and campaign are suppose to launch in March or April.
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I like how Hamilton keeps starting buildings before sales while Toronto waits for 70-80% before starting.
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looks like soil testing
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This thread needs a name change...

William Thomas Building | ? | 20 fl | Proposed --> Artizen Condos | ? | 20 fl | Proposed
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Agreed wit the proposed name change to the thread


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Perhaps they are dubbing a new term - a mashup of Artisan and Citizen?
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Perhaps they are dubbing a new term - a mashup of Artisan and Citizen?
Yeah, a neologism. Still, an unkewl one
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Dope sign. Beats the hell out of the Tivoli Condos' shitty vinyl one.
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