NEW YORK | 30 Hudson Yards (North Tower) | 1,296 FT | 92 FLOORS

[Hed Kandi]

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[Dac150]

^^^What do you find ironic about that, just curious?

[jd3189]

Originally Posted by CCs77

Could be something like this




Although I think that if I step on that thing, I would keep a firm grip on the handrail ...

Greatness.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Hed Kandi

Something I find quite ironic is that the two largest upcoming developments in New York (Hudson Yards and Manhattan West) are both being developed by Canadian companies. Hudson Yards in conjunction with Related. [/url]

I don't see anything ironic about it. Brookfield already owns the World Financial Center, one of the largest complexes in the City. And Related, which won the rights to develop the railyards brought in Oxford. If you follow any of the large development companies, you would find that they are involved in developments around the world. And New York is key in the global real estate empire, it's where the players would want to be. Even the City's convention center may be built by a foreign company.

[giantSwan]

I see some construction taking place right next to the javits center and the hudson rail yards...does anyone know if this is related to this project? something different?

[yankeesfan1000]

^

Chances are what you're seeking is for the 7 train extension. I'm sure we'll know when the Coach Tower officially breaks ground sometime in the next couple of weeks.

[NYguy]

That's exactly what it is.


Scoboco

[Guiltyspark]

I love the cantilevered observation platform. It does feel like one of those things that will get cut from the final design though... I hope not. These new renders are great, like something out of the next century. Buildings like these manage to be forward thinking without looking tacky. Tower Verre and One57 are in the same class.

[Dac150]

While I do like this open air concept, I'm not sold that it'll survive - when times come to make adjustments due to costs, amenities such as this are always the first to go. I'm keeping my fingers crossed though!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Dac150

While I do like this open air concept, I'm not sold that it'll survive - when times come to make adjustments due to costs, amenities such as this are always the first to go. I'm keeping my fingers crossed though!

I agree that it's possible it may not survive. However, it is a new element, and I think they may be looking at something to draw people who would not otherwise have to make the journey over to the west side. We know there will be offices, apartments, shops, even shows. But you get that in the rest of Manhattan as well. That observation platform would be something unique to the City and the site. In a sense, we could all become Phillippe Petit, walking a tightrope out into thin air (visually). In a city of multiple observation decks, even the world's tallest observation wheel, this one would stand out. That may be some of the thinking behind it, but I hope it survives either way.

[Guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by NYguy

I agree that it's possible it may not survive. However, it is a new element, and I think they may be looking at something to draw people who would not otherwise have to make the journey over to the west side. We know there will be offices, apartments, shops, even shows. But you get that in the rest of Manhattan as well. That observation platform would be something unique to the City and the site. In a sense, we could all become Phillippe Petit, walking a tightrope out into thin air (visually). In a city of multiple observation decks, even the world's tallest observation wheel, this one would stand out. That may be some of the thinking behind it, but I hope it survives either way.

I hope you are right. There is good logic behind it, but sometimes logic is the first thing thrown out the window on these projects (See the 1 WTC base and spire).

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Guiltyspark

I hope you are right. There is good logic behind it, but sometimes logic is the first thing thrown out the window on these projects (See the 1 WTC base and spire).

That's true, but Related is playing with a different set of rules here.

[CCs77]

Originally Posted by Guiltyspark

I love the cantilevered observation platform. It does feel like one of those things that will get cut from the final design though... I hope not. These new renders are great, like something out of the next century. Buildings like these manage to be forward thinking without looking tacky. Tower Verre and One57 are in the same class.

Originally Posted by Dac150

While I do like this open air concept, I'm not sold that it'll survive - when times come to make adjustments due to costs, amenities such as this are always the first to go. I'm keeping my fingers crossed though!

But that thing is not just an amenity, it won't be free, that thing is thought as big money maker. The WTC base and spire weren't something profitable, this observation deck will indeed be. Imagine how much $$$$ they will do charging hundreds of tourists a day 20 dollars (or more, how much is the ESB observation deck?) and that's not even counting the additional money made by souvenir shops, restaurants, etc. And making it cantilevered (and possibly with a glass floor) only makes it more desirable, every tourist in NY would want to go there, as every tourist wants to go to the ESB observation deck.

The ESB observation deck is very profitable and I guess the Rockefeller Center's one to. Moreover, The Empire State Building makes more money from selling tickets to its observation decks on the 86th and 102nd floors than from renting 100 floors containing 2.6 million sq ft of office space. (according to this times article http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/busine...cle3391920.ece, cited in the ESB entry in wikipedia)

The play behind it is very clear, it is a brilliant move. There will be already three observations decks in NYC, including the upcoming World Trade Center's, plus very possibly an observation wheel in SI, so they have to do something different with it, not just another observation deck. And by making it cantilevered it will be such a special feature that not only will help the observation deck itself, but it will make the whole complex to be put in the map, as from it you will see the city from above, but from the city you will see it from bellow.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by CCs77

The ESB observation deck is very profitable and I guess the Rockefeller Center's one to. Moreover, The Empire State Building makes more money from selling tickets to its observation decks on the 86th and 102nd floors than from renting 100 floors containing 2.6 million sq ft of office space. (according to this times article http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/busine...cle3391920.ece, cited in the ESB entry in wikipedia)

Yeah, it is ironic that the ESB deck is what made money when the building originally opened, and is what made money in more recent years, though the building itself has been making more now with the renovation and consolidation of space. That shows that these things can drive a building's success. Most of the supertall towers planned or under construction in Manhattan won't have observation decks, so if one is built here it would stand out not only for design, but as one of the few Manhattan giants with a public space at the top.

[Guiltyspark]

"Ironic. You guys keep using that word... I am not sure you know what it means..." -Inigo Montoya.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Guiltyspark

"Ironic. You guys keep using that word... I am not sure you know what it means..." -Inigo Montoya.

ironic
Characterized by or constituting irony. Given to the use of irony. Poignantly contrary to what was expected or intended


When the Empire State Building originally opened, tenants were scarce, and it was the observation deck that made money. Eventually, tenants filled the building which became a landmark instantly known around the world. But all these decades later, and for different reasons, it's again the observation deck bringing in the bucks (as it was reported by current owners, the Malkins). As noted, that's been changing a little since the ESB has been upgrading and consolidating space to bring in larger tenants. Now, Related has said it expects to make money on the apartments at the Hudson Yards, not the office space. But throw in an observation deck unlike any other in town, and money is sure to follow. It could be a big draw.

[Lecom]

An observation deck here would be a near-guaranteed success for a number of reasons:

1) Observation decks are an excellent investment if you have a tall building in an area with heavy tourist traffic. Give people some clean windows and an empty floor, and they will pay you quarter to half as much as for a Broadway show, with expensive staging and actors. People would actually form continuous hours-long lines so they can pay good money to look out of your windows. The concept is almost as absurdly efficient as casinos, where people travel from afar to give you their money for free. Besides, current demand for observation spaces is quite high, given the number of visitors at the ESB and 30 Rock.

2) Location. The area will soon be serviced by a new subway station. The High Line, terminating at the new complex, already generates ridiculous amounts of pedestrian, especially tourist, traffic. Given the upcoming green spaces, new boulevard and high density development, this location is only bound to improve.

3) Amenities. Time Warner Center is essentially a smaller-scale model for this development, mixing residential, hotel, office, retail, and performance space around a single nucleus of public spaces. TWC has proven to be wildly successful. Hudson Railyards is not only developed by the same team, but also presents an even greater mix of amenities (new park space, education facilities, greater allocation for cultural spaces, etc) at a larger scale. Thus, a successful complex that draws large numbers of visitors is more likely to support a viable observation deck.

[hunser]

Wth is going on... I click on a NY thread and I feel like getting a birthday present every time lol.

The HY North Tower looks taller now, about 1350'. And don't get me started on the observation platform- I'm in love. Pity that the Coach tower seems (nothing's confirmed yet) to be shortened but on the other hand the residential tower got a height boost (1100' now?)!

What a lovely day to browse SSP...

[giantSwan]

Originally Posted by NYguy

That's exactly what it is.


Scoboco

Thanks nyguy and yankeesfan - that is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm still confused though, is that building under construction part of the 7th ave extension? what is it's purpose?

thanks

[yankeesfan1000]

It's a ventilation structure for the 7 train extension.