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I don't recall the entire story, but I know that a large number of industrial developments were locating in Westminster by the 1980s. I know that some industrial properties in Westminster gained access to City of London services in the late 1980s. Perhaps the City of London decided they would be better off having those lands within city limits to gain tax assessment from land they were servicing anyway.

Why they annexed everything up to the Elgin County line is beyond me though.
That's pretty much the story. By the 80's parts of London had grown out to the city limits, and growth was starting to spill over into Westminster in a serious way. Additionally, the township naturally had lower tax rates as it provided a rural level of service - which didn't matter much to commercial and industrial developments - making it attractive for businesses to set up on the other side of the city limits. In the 80's the township started to aggressively market itself to developers as an alternative to the City in an effort to increase assessment. The township was banking on the Province requiring London to extend hard services into Westminster in order to allow for orderly and proper intensification of the township. Naturally, London resented this, as it would only derive indirect benefit from the development in a neighboring municipality it would be forced to service.

Eventually in the late 80's things came to a head, with London wanting to annex the developed areas of Westminster arguing that it was sucking off of London's teat, and Westminster changing it's municipal and corporate status from that of township to town to better shield itself from it's larger neighbour. One must keep in mind that London's previous large annexation of 1961 seriously hurt Westminster then, and it was going to fight a similar "land grab" by the City this time around. Westminster then went a step further and proposed Regional Government be established as a counter proposal to London's annexation request (the new government would presumably be called the "Regional Municipality Of Middlesex"). Under such a scheme this would make London and Westminster equals politically, and cede operations and control of overall regional planning, roads, water, and wastewater to the new Regional Government. The Regional Government would then provide such services to whatever lower-tier municipality within the Region had the most demand for them. This is key, because the provision of hard services such as water and wastewater are the essentials that allow for significant urban development - all other factors are secondary.

Under such a scheme, Westminster would grow rapidly. By now it would possibly even have City status. London would get nothing but stagnant assessment growth and diluted control over any future growth it did get. Obviously the City wasn't going to stand by and watch such a thing happen and vowed to battle any such attempts. Eventually the Province stepped in and appointed John Brant to head up an arbitration tribunal to examine the situation and make recommendations to the province on what to decide on. The process went on for a year or so, and the when the results were released London was a bigger winner that anyone had imagined. The findings were that the Regional Government model was entirely inappropriate for the situation: London was still the very central dominant municipality in the area and it would be best if things remained that way. Westminster's attempt to portray the area as similar to Waterloo Region rang hollow. The arbitrator also determined that if London was allowed to annex areas of immediate interest (401/402 corridor, Lambeth, Exeter Road), the remaining rump of Westminster would be financially unsustainable - hence the remainder being ceded to London as well. That's how it got to Elgin County. It's also why London is still the largest single-tier municipality in North America.
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Under such a scheme, Westminster would grow rapidly. By now it would possibly even have City status. London would get nothing but stagnant assessment growth and diluted control over any future growth it did get. Obviously the City wasn't going to stand by and watch such a thing happen and vowed to battle any such attempts. Eventually the Province stepped in and appointed John Brant to head up an arbitration tribunal to examine the situation and make recommendations to the province on what to decide on. The process went on for a year or so, and the when the results were released London was a bigger winner that anyone had imagined. The findings were that the Regional Government model was entirely inappropriate for the situation: London was still the very central dominant municipality in the area and it would be best if things remained that way. Westminster's attempt to portray the area as similar to Waterloo Region rang hollow. The arbitrator also determined that if London was allowed to annex areas of immediate interest (401/402 corridor, Lambeth, Exeter Road), the remaining rump of Westminster would be financially unsustainable - hence the remainder being ceded to London as well. That's how it got to Elgin County. It's also why London is still the largest single-tier municipality in North America.
Very interesting. It would seem to me that small parts of what was left of Westminster were ceded to what were then Delaware and North Dorchester Townships, now parts of Middlesex Centre and Thames Centre.
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Thanks for that thorough and informed explanation Snark! Now I can see why we are in such a situation in regards to the southern city limits.
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That's pretty much the story. By the 80's parts of London had grown out to the city limits, and growth was starting to spill over into Westminster in a serious way. Additionally, the township naturally had lower tax rates as it provided a rural level of service - which didn't matter much to commercial and industrial developments - making it attractive for businesses to set up on the other side of the city limits. In the 80's the township started to aggressively market itself to developers as an alternative to the City in an effort to increase assessment. The township was banking on the Province requiring London to extend hard services into Westminster in order to allow for orderly and proper intensification of the township. Naturally, London resented this, as it would only derive indirect benefit from the development in a neighboring municipality it would be forced to service.

Eventually in the late 80's things came to a head, with London wanting to annex the developed areas of Westminster arguing that it was sucking off of London's teat, and Westminster changing it's municipal and corporate status from that of township to town to better shield itself from it's larger neighbour. One must keep in mind that London's previous large annexation of 1961 seriously hurt Westminster then, and it was going to fight a similar "land grab" by the City this time around. Westminster then went a step further and proposed Regional Government be established as a counter proposal to London's annexation request (the new government would presumably be called the "Regional Municipality Of Middlesex"). Under such a scheme this would make London and Westminster equals politically, and cede operations and control of overall regional planning, roads, water, and wastewater to the new Regional Government. The Regional Government would then provide such services to whatever lower-tier municipality within the Region had the most demand for them. This is key, because the provision of hard services such as water and wastewater are the essentials that allow for significant urban development - all other factors are secondary.

Under such a scheme, Westminster would grow rapidly. By now it would possibly even have City status. London would get nothing but stagnant assessment growth and diluted control over any future growth it did get. Obviously the City wasn't going to stand by and watch such a thing happen and vowed to battle any such attempts. Eventually the Province stepped in and appointed John Brant to head up an arbitration tribunal to examine the situation and make recommendations to the province on what to decide on. The process went on for a year or so, and the when the results were released London was a bigger winner that anyone had imagined. The findings were that the Regional Government model was entirely inappropriate for the situation: London was still the very central dominant municipality in the area and it would be best if things remained that way. Westminster's attempt to portray the area as similar to Waterloo Region rang hollow. The arbitrator also determined that if London was allowed to annex areas of immediate interest (401/402 corridor, Lambeth, Exeter Road), the remaining rump of Westminster would be financially unsustainable - hence the remainder being ceded to London as well. That's how it got to Elgin County. It's also why London is still the largest single-tier municipality in North America.
Very thorough explanation of something I've often wondered. Thanks Snark.
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Anyone notice how after patting everyone's back and taking a few shots at the old mayor regarding councils ability to freeze taxes city hall quietly announces that yes taxes are frozen for 2011 but you will actually pay more taxes this year?
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Anyone notice how after patting everyone's back and taking a few shots at the old mayor regarding councils ability to freeze taxes city hall quietly announces that yes taxes are frozen for 2011 but you will actually pay more taxes this year?
Well you can't really blame the municipal government for that. Civic governments are essentially slaves to the province, even upper-tier ones like London.

If the province wants to raise rates there's nothing London can do... unless we not only froze tax rates but lowered them to compensate for the provincial tax hike, creating a full freeze.

Of course the other option is change at the provincial level, and there is an election this year...
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2011, 2:43 AM
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It has nothing to do with the province raising rates. It does have everything to do with the province making the property tax system so confusing in this province that very few people understand it, including London's council apparently.

If you are a property owner in London you will be paying more property tax this year, even though the city froze the rates, for one reason. The value which the city's tax rate is applied to is higher in 2011 than it was in 2010.
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Anyone notice how after patting everyone's back and taking a few shots at the old mayor regarding councils ability to freeze taxes city hall quietly announces that yes taxes are frozen for 2011 but you will actually pay more taxes this year?
Even if you disallow the cost of emergency and protective services' cost increases set by provincial arbitration, and take into account the freeze in staff salaries this year, the cost of running the municipality is not 0%.

As a simple example, it pays the same petroleum costs (gasoline, diesel, roofing, asphalt), the same energy costs (electricity, natural gas), and general inflation as every one else - and more. That's every single year. Every large municipality is a customer on par with the largest industries that are within its borders.

And that's just petrol. Consultants will continue to raise their prices. Contractors will continue to raise their prices. Eventually staff will say enough to pay freezes.

Put honestly, there is a myth that there is tons of "fat" to cut at City Hall. It is a lie. To cut more is to cut services. To get away with very, very marginal tax increases this year is a small miracle. To expect the same for 4 years is delusional without service cuts.
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It was delusional to think you would actually have a TAX FREEZE this year let alone any year beyond this one. Londoners should look at it this way, they either voted for a man who knew so little about the tax system that he didn't know his promise was unrealistic or he knew and knowingly mislead Londoner down this yellow brick road.
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Tim Best, the beleaguered husband of London’s former mayor, spent his first night in jail Friday after he was dealt a six-month sentence for a boozy, wintry drive two years ago.

Best, 49, hung his head as Superior Court Justice Bruce Thomas passed sentence in a packed London courtroom. Then, Best was led away to the cells, without turning back to look at his tearful wife, Anne Marie DeCicco-Best, the city’s former mayor, and his mother and other friends.

Best — guilty of impaired driving causing bodily harm, dangerous driving and two counts of failing to remain at the scene of a crash for events on Hwy. 401 and in Dorchester — begged to avoid jail time.

“Incarceration of any kind of time would also be punishing the community — not just me,” he said.

His lawyer, Richard Braiden, indicated there’s a planned appeal of the bodily harm conviction and an application for bail pending appeal that could be heard next week.

Before sentencing, Best told the judge he “always tried to be a good member of the community” and was “truly sorry” for all that happened Jan. 31, 2009.

His business, the downtown bar-restaurant Friday Night Lights, won’t survive if he’s jailed, he said, ending the employment of a dozen people who work for him.

“My wife,” he said, his voice breaking and DeCicco-Best in tears, “is the love of my life. She has suffered immensely.”

“A jail sentence will destroy her, her family and my family.”

“I ask if you can use the tools you’ve been afforded and find a solution for this,” he said to Thomas.

But Thomas spoke of how in “a span 18 minutes” Best fled from two collisions, endangered the public with questionable driving on Dorchester Rd. and kept going until the OPP had to “run him to the ground after he fled his vehicle.”

In the “swath cut” by Best over that brief amount of time, the judge said, “he thought only of himself.”


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"I'm behind Tim 110 percent," said former Mayor Anne DeCicco-Best after the sentence was handed down. "We have discussed (with lawyer Richard Braiden) an appeal, and that will happen immediately."
Wow, a little sketchy there on the math, AMdeCB

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fer crissakes guy, will you man up?
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fer crissakes guy, will you man up?
I'm feeling sooooooo punished right now!

Wonder how much longer Friday Knight Lights will be around. Or if the patio will even appear this year.
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Let us hope and pray. I hate that patio.
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Fontana was asking point blank about the extended patio at one of his virtual townhall meetings. He said it wasn't gonna happen again.

Now with Mr. AM Drunken-Best's conviction his liquor licence and business will cease to exist in short order.

The guy is a fuckin joke, thinking people have or had respect for him at anytime. He's a scumbag, who streak finally ran out in a very public way
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About time, glad to see him get sentenced to jail time.

Also hope to see that damn patio gone sooner than later.
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some blogger's comments on the whole TB episode:
http://mysweetmarie.wordpress.com/20...-what-i-think/

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The husband of London's former mayor, Anne Marie Deccico-Best, is headed to jail.


Tim Best was found guilty of impaired driving causing bodily harm, dangerous driving and two counts of failing to remain at the scene of an accident back in January.


Two years ago, on January 31, 2009, Best struck a car while driving on the 401. He was then seen driving erratically and sideswiping another car in Dorchester. Best abandoned his Chevy Avalanche and fled on foot. He was arrested a short time later by OPP officers.


Before sentencing, Best spoke to the victims. "I'm sorry for any pain, and sorry for any suffering I have caused. I'm angry at myself. I alone am responsible for each and every action."


He then made a tearful and impassioned plea to Superior Court Justice Bruce Thomas in an attempt to avoid jail time. "I have gone through physical and verbal abuse," he said. "I have been the butt of jokes, harassed and humiliated. Incarceration of any kind would punish the community, not just me."


The judge disagreed, saying on the night in question Best was "not concerned about injury or damage to anyone. He thought only at the time to save himself."


The crown had asked for a 15-18 month jail sentence. The judge gave him 6 months. Best's lawyers say they will appeal the decision.


[EDIT: PLAY TAMMT WYNETTE'S SONG STAND-BY-YOUR-MAN HERE] Deccico-Best says she supports her husband. "I'm behind him 110%. He's my husband and I love him very much. And we will get through this, as we've gotten through the last two years."


Lisa Dixon, one of Best's victims, has launched a $10.4 million lawsuit against him. In her impact statement, she said her life "has been pure hell for the last two years."


While Best has no criminal record, the court heard that he has 34 driving convictions.
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34 convictions? wow. just wow.

Manning up foreign concept for Tim Best [Joe Belanger, LFP, Monday, March 28]

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It had to be 1960 or 1961 and I was playing with a new friend around the corner from my parents' home at the site of the last new home being built on our street.

I was four or five years old. My new-found friend - now a salesperson living in the Calgary area with whom I still communicate - and I had just discovered the delight of throwing rocks pulled from the dirt and debris around the construction site when one rock left my hand and crashed through a new garage window.

I stood there stunned as the sound of breaking glass reverberated in my head, then turned and ran home to my mommy, somehow managing to tell her what I'd done as tears rolled down my face and choked my words.

Then I got one of the many surprises in my life. She just hugged me and said: "Joey, I am so proud of you. Yes, you did something wrong. You shouldn't be throwing stones. But you came right home and told me. Honesty is the most important thing. I'm proud of you, Joey, for owning up for what you did."

Today, you might call it manning up.

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"This is the worst thing that the whole city of London could ever ask for. This is not small," Best told the officers and then continued to plead for them to "make a phone call."
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Fontana Wants 'Friday Knight Lights' Patio Removed

http://www.fm96.com/channels/newsinf...spx?id=1368511

PETITION TO REMOVE FRIDAY KNIGHT LIGHTS PATIO!!! {open to everyone}
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19931857764

and look at this: Boycott Friday Night Lights
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=32216902508


I am not on facebook, but these came up with a google search on friday knight lights.
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Fontana Wants 'Friday Knight Lights' Patio Removed

http://www.fm96.com/channels/newsinf...spx?id=1368511

PETITION TO REMOVE FRIDAY KNIGHT LIGHTS PATIO!!! {open to everyone}
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19931857764

and look at this: Boycott Friday Night Lights
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=32216902508


I am not on facebook, but these came up with a google search on friday knight lights.
I could see you joining Facebook just so you could join those groups

Same with this group (hint: it's really really good): http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=6144233564
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grillin' on the que!!! It's the ultimate in E-Coli!!

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