AUSTIN | Waterline (98 Red River) | 1,022 Feet | 73 Floors | U/C - Page 12

lzppjb · #**221** Posted **Sep 11, 2014, 8:50 PM**

RESTAURANT is my favorite place to eat.

Jdawgboy · #**222** Posted **Sep 11, 2014, 10:24 PM**

Looks like the design is pretty much set in stone. That likely means the floor counts are as well. I can live with 52 floors for the tallest tower. Height won't be taller than the Austonian but it will definitely help with the overall skyline height contrast.

I'm not impressed with the design of the office building. It's too bulky like every other office proposal we have seen. It would be nice if it was thinner and taller at least to 30 floors.

While it's not breakthrough in facade and coloration, I like how each tower will have what looks to be more than one glass color. If the renderings are as close to the coloration of the actual end result, each tower will have a different shade than the others which is nice.

_Matt · #**223** Posted **Sep 11, 2014, 10:34 PM**

I'd get more excited about this project if they weren't using Sim City for the rendering. But great to see movement.

lzppjb · #**224** Posted **Sep 11, 2014, 10:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

Looks like the design is pretty much set in stone. That likely means the floor counts are as well. I can live with 52 floors for the tallest tower. Height won't be taller than the Austonian but it will definitely help with the overall skyline height contrast.

I'm not impressed with the design of the office building. It's too bulky like every other office proposal we have seen. It would be nice if it was thinner and taller at least to 30 floors.

While it's not breakthrough in facade and coloration, I like how each tower will have what looks to be more than one glass color. If the renderings are as close to the coloration of the actual end result, each tower will have a different shade than the others which is nice.

Maybe they're keeping it shorter to preserve the views of the north-facing condos/hotel rooms.

Spaceman · #**225** Posted **Sep 11, 2014, 10:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hill Country

The difference between this project, and your favorite proposal to doubt (the Fairmont for those not keeping up) is that this one has financing.

I hope you are right on this

austlar1 · #**226** Posted **Sep 11, 2014, 11:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spaceman

I hope you are right on this

Well, I don't know that they have released details on financing, but McCourt Financial has some VERY deep pockets including a working partnership with the Guggenheim Group. Guggenheim bought the LA Dodgers from McCourt and as part of the additional real estate deal for Chavez Ravine (Dodger Stadium) agreed to invest up to $650 million with McCourt real estate investments. I don't have a clue what Sutton brings to the table, but if McCourt wants to build this thing, I don't think financing will be a problem.

austlar1 · #**227** Posted **Sep 11, 2014, 11:53 PM**

On the other hand, McCourt has his detractors. He does seem to like to wheel and deal and has been very lucky as of late. Here is good profile of the developer. It does not specifically discuss any Austin project. It is more focused on McCourt's NYC projects.

http://therealdeal.com/issues_articl...-new-ballgame/

JACKinBeantown · #**228** Posted **Sep 12, 2014, 1:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hill Country

I can see it. I don't know what you're looking at. Maybe it's because they don't have fake store or coffee shop names on the first floor of the renderings?

I see what looks like a glass lobby in the front, a garage entrance on the side and a (possibly private) terrace in the back. Can you please politely point out what you see that I don't?

The ATX · #**229** Posted **Sep 12, 2014, 2:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown

I see what looks like a glass lobby in the front, a garage entrance on the side and a (possibly private) terrace in the back. Can you please politely point out what you see that I don't?

The first floor of the towers is where the retail is. As I suggested in my previous post perhaps the lack of signage is what is confusing. There is no private terrace in back. If you look at the first rendering there are two of those fake signs on that "private" terrace. One says "Tree Bar". From previous articles about this project there will be an urban grocer on the ground floor of the office tower as well as restaurants, cafes, etc located in the entire project.

IluvATX · #**230** Posted **Sep 12, 2014, 2:43 PM**

Kevin can you update thread title to show new heights and floor counts. Thanks.

JACKinBeantown · #**231** Posted **Sep 12, 2014, 3:40 PM**

Thanks, Hill Country. Good to know they're doing it right.

KevinFromTexas · #**232** Posted **Sep 13, 2014, 1:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by IluvATX

Kevin can you update thread title to show new heights and floor counts. Thanks.

Ok, i've edited the title with the updated floor counts. I couldn't fit all the heights in though, and they're likely to change somewhat anyway. Plus when they do start construction we can have individual threads for each so all that info will be up there for each.

The ATX · #**233** Posted **Sep 16, 2014, 2:02 PM**

There's more work going on at the site this morning. It looks like they are clearing more of the area where the two houses used to be.

The ATX · #**234** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 10:21 PM**

It's looking good for this project. Here's a new permit request for a temporary street closure to mark utilitiy connections.

https://www.austintexas.gov/devrevie...erRSN=11220334

austlar1 · #**235** Posted **Sep 25, 2014, 12:50 AM**

So they now have Waller between Red River and Waller Creek closed to anything but paid parking. The Chain Drive is not yet demolished. Neither are the buildings across Waller. All of the businesses formerly occupying those spaces are gone. The building at Red River and Waller is not yet demolished and still houses one or more businesses. There are signs of change on this parcel, but not enough to convince me that construction is imminent. I sure hope this thing gets built. It just seems too good to be true in terms of the scope and scale of the proposed project.

KevinFromTexas · #**236** Posted **Sep 27, 2014, 5:21 PM**

I moved the 10-1/council posts to the politics thread:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...light=politics

The ATX · #**237** Posted **Sep 30, 2014, 1:31 PM**

This project is still steadily crawling along. A new master report update was released yesterday. No major news, other than they are still working on clearing the comments on the Site Plan.

https://www.austintexas.gov/devrevie...erRSN=11055030

antny12 · #**238** Posted **Oct 28, 2014, 1:45 PM**

Any word on when this one might be breaking ground?

jngreenlee · #**239** Posted **Oct 28, 2014, 7:04 PM**

Man, Cesar Chavez will be a mess to look at if Fairmont and PP go up at the same time. It will be cool to see happening but will probably cause some major traffic delays on heavy concrete or steel delivery days.

corvairkeith · #**240** Posted **Oct 28, 2014, 7:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by jngreenlee

Man, Cesar Chavez will be a mess to look at if Fairmont and PP go up at the same time. It will be cool to see happening but will probably cause some major traffic delays on heavy concrete or steel delivery days.

Don't forget 99 Trinity should be going up at the same time.