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Old Posted Mar 24, 2009, 9:42 AM
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Taipei | The Crystal Plaza | 150.8m | 41fl | U/C

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wouldn't this look awesome in xinyi!
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that building sticks out like a sore thumb.

ya i just dont understand the taiwanese city planners. why do they build tall towers in places that shouldnt have tall towers like in danshui where it would ruin the natural mountainous scenery and yet they dont build tall towers where there should be tall towers like in xinyi. there's only 1 tall building and 2-3 semi tall buildings and the rest squat shopping malls in xinyi even tho it's supposed to be the "manhattan of taiwan." it's really pathetic.
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that building sticks out like a sore thumb.

ya i just dont understand the taiwanese city planners. why do they build tall towers in places that shouldnt have tall towers like in danshui where it would ruin the natural mountainous scenery and yet they dont build tall towers where there should be tall towers like in xinyi. there's only 1 tall building and 2-3 semi tall buildings and the rest squat shopping malls in xinyi even tho it's supposed to be the "manhattan of taiwan." it's really pathetic.
I think the government never think about this point, they just let developer go and never think about what it will effect the urban development around that area in the future.

We can see the problem from Taiwanese government that always focus on wrong considerations. When develpers want to build a new high tower in city center, it really hard to apply environmental effect application. In other side, when developer build a high tower next to scenic spot, it's easier.


Same here,


Can you believe that the council allow this kind of building occur in Sun Moon Lake?
This area must be low density development.

Does our government try to protect environment or just want to destroy it ?

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I think the government never think about this point, they just let developer go and never think about what it will effect the urban development around in the future.

We can see the problem from Taiwanese government that always focus on wrong considerations. When develpers want to build a new high tower in city center, it really hard to apply environmental effect application. In other side, when developer build a high tower next to scenic spot, it's easier.


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Can you believe that the council allow this kind of building occur in Sun Moon Lake?
This area must be low density development.

Does our government try to protect environment or just want to destroy it ?

OMG!! THAT'S HORRIBLE!!! how can the govt let such a tall building be built there? worse yet it looks like another typical dull boxy taiwanese style building with a water tower on top. it'll probably be brown and covered with tiles too. they really should force the developer to lower the height or just buy the property and tear it down before it's finished. can you imagine if the u.s. govt allowed a tall condo be built in the grand canyon or on lake tahoe?
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I think the government never think about this point, they just let developer go and never think about what it will effect the urban development around that area in the future.

We can see the problem from Taiwanese government that always focus on wrong considerations. When develpers want to build a new high tower in city center, it really hard to apply environmental effect application. In other side, when developer build a high tower next to scenic spot, it's easier.


Same here,


Can you believe that the council allow this kind of building occur in Sun Moon Lake?
This area must be low density development.

Does our government try to protect environment or just want to destroy it ?
what's this holy shit!? it's scandalous! when taiwan officials go abroad for "study trips", they should do other things than the tourism!
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what's this holy shit!? it's scandanlous! when taiwan officers go abroad for "study trips", they should do other things than the tourism!
Parlez-vous francais? Ok, you are exactly right when you metion them doing "study trips" They copy this and that from other countries and never apply them correctly...
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Parlez-vous francais? Ok, you are exactly right when you metion them doing "study trips" They copy this and that from other countries and never apply them correctly...
Oui je parle le français, et mon anglais est désastreux...we can even affirm that some taiwan officials use "study trips" only as pretext to travel for free with public money!!
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^ Taiwanese government.....not even metioning them letting yue mai theme park win the bid instead of the world-famous Disneyland. That was a pain in the neck,
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shocking... the water cube is designed by C Y LEE again... i just dont understand... he is like the shittiest and yet...

apparently there is a swimming pool on every single floor.
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shocking... the water cube is designed by C Y LEE again... i just dont understand... he is like the shittiest and yet...

apparently there is a swimming pool on every single floor.
taiwan needs to expand its contacts with the rest of the civilized world. china's political isolation of taiwan is keeping the island a relative cultural and intellectual cesspool where unsophisticated architecture, journalism, and politics fester. taiwanese society, though prosperous, is not cosmopolitan - it is not creative nor critical minded.
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taiwan needs to expand its contacts with the rest of the civilized world. china's political isolation of taiwan is keeping the island a relative cultural and intellectual cesspool where unsophisticated architecture, journalism, and politics fester. taiwanese society, though prosperous, is not cosmopolitan - it is not creative nor critical minded.
no taiwan's political isolation has never prevented nobody in taiwan who wish it from studying or having a trip in the so-called "civilized world" and nowadays, there is something magical, called "internet"...

i think the problem of taiwan is this society has lived in a culture of provisional since 1949. on the other hand, taiwan has become really properous since the 70's,80's, the period where the urban architecture in the west was really ...a disaster, unfortunatly, taiwan has partially copied such a model..

a parisian surburb's social housing complex built in the 70's.
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a parisian surburb's social housing complex built in the 70's.
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it actually looks taiwanese!! looks like taiwan copied alot of 1970s/80s architectural styles from the west. it needs to update and copy 2009 styles!
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no taiwan's political isolation has never prevented nobody in taiwan who wish it from studying or having a trip in the so-called "civilized world" and nowadays, there is something magical, called "internet"...

i think the problem of taiwan is this society has lived in a culture of provisional since 1949. on the other hand, taiwan has become really properous since the 70's,80's, the period where the urban architecture in the west was really ...a disaster, unfortunatly, taiwan has partially copied such a model..
political isolation prevents a lot more things than you're acknowledging though. for instance, the lack of WHO membership prevents taiwan's government healthcare agencies from collaborating with rival agencies among the international community. this goes beyond how healthcare is conducted in the national healthcare system. it probably limits the progress of healthcare education in the vast private sector (universities), or of education in general. the "internet" also doesn't help taiwan's CDC collect and analyze epidemiological data in the most effective manner available, again, because of the inability of its members to collaborate with those of rival agencies. political isolation also has indirect consequences - it means there is an absence of political pressure on taiwan's legislature to provide adequate support for public programs which most nations take for granted, programs like arts endowments or research initiatives or those which support responsible journalism.

inability to join the UN precludes taiwan of UNESCO recognition and funding. taiwan is probably the only industrialzed "country" without a single recognized world heritage site or UN language conservation initiative. taiwan might have hosted an olympics games by now had it not been for political isolation. had it not been for political isolation, it might not have been excluded from developing culturally enriching trade partnerships with countries anxious to appease a demanding China. of course we're talking about architecture here, but my point is that political engagement has multiplicative effects on the development of a country's identity, effects which go far beyond what trade surpluses and improved gdp alone can do. because of political isolation, taiwan lacks these benefits, and must rely completely on avenues such as the internet and the personal mobility of its citizenry to exchange ideas with the rest of the world.

my last point is much more holistic but ties into the above points. national identity provides a strong cultural affirmation that is difficult to quantify, but its role in the maturation of a distinctive local arts identity cannot be denied. regarding your point about western architecture, it's the urban design in the west which was a disaster in the 60s, but even then one could make a case for the originality of such modernists as mies or le corbusier, and one could not deny the tie between such modernists and their national origins. if you ask me taiwan is a failure in originality overall, especially considering its relative prosperity. thanks to the economic miracle of its plastics and computer manufacturing, taiwan has drastically improved on basic measures relating to increased gdp - hdi, newborn survival rate, life expectancy, sanitation, etc. but it has yet to become a creative, flourishing, post-industrial society with a sense of national identity and purpose - one who's businesses innovate instead of manufacture, whose artists influence instead of mimic, whose scientists discover instead of emigrate...a vibrant democracy whose citizens are allowed to become thinkers. a society with an internal frame of reference. a self-posessed society. every strong society has a cultural rallying point around which to gather, be it in the form of values, religion, or tradition. on the contrary, taiwan's business leaders continue to pursue a lowest common denominator business culture which is putting taiwan's economy and society into the grips of a plotting chinese rival. the obvious is true of its political leaders as well. this is reflected in taiwan's relatively weak value of the humanities in all levels of society. political isolation has prevented taiwan from realizing its economic miracle in full potential because it keeps taiwan's focus on the outside, especially on china.

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political isolation prevents a lot more things than you're acknowledging though. for instance, the lack of WHO membership prevents taiwan's government healthcare agencies from collaborating with rival agencies among the international community. this goes beyond how healthcare is conducted in the national healthcare system. it probably limits the progress of healthcare education in the vast private sector (universities), or of education in general. the "internet" also doesn't help taiwan's CDC collect and analyze epidemiological data in the most effective manner available, again, because of the inability of its members to collaborate with those of rival agencies. political isolation also has indirect consequences - it means there is an absence of political pressure on taiwan's legislature to provide adequate support for public programs which most nations take for granted, programs like arts endowments or research initiatives or those which support responsible journalism.

inability to join the UN precludes taiwan of UNESCO recognition and funding. taiwan is probably the only industrialzed "country" without a single recognized world heritage site or UN language conservation initiative. taiwan might have hosted an olympics games by now had it not been for political isolation. had it not been for political isolation, it might not have been excluded from developing culturally enriching trade partnerships with countries anxious to appease a demanding China. of course we're talking about architecture here, but my point is that political engagement has multiplicative effects on the development of a country's identity, effects which go far beyond what trade surpluses and improved gdp alone can do. because of political isolation, taiwan lacks these benefits, and must rely completely on avenues such as the internet and the personal mobility of its citizenry to exchange ideas with the rest of the world.

my last point is much more holistic but ties into the above points. national identity provides a strong cultural affirmation that is difficult to quantify, but its role in the maturation of a distinctive local arts identity cannot be denied. regarding your point about western architecture, it's the urban design in the west which was a disaster in the 60s, but even then one could make a case for the originality of such modernists as mies or le corbusier, and one could not deny the tie between such modernists and their national origins. if you ask me taiwan is a failure in originality overall, especially considering its relative prosperity. thanks to the economic miracle of its plastics and computer manufacturing, taiwan has drastically improved on basic measures relating to increased gdp - hdi, newborn survival rate, life expectancy, sanitation, etc. but it has yet to become a creative, flourishing, post-industrial society with a sense of national identity and purpose - one who's businesses innovate instead of manufacture, whose artists influence instead of mimic, whose scientists discover instead of emigrate...a vibrant democracy whose citizens are allowed to become thinkers. a society with an internal frame of reference. a self-posessed society. every strong society has a cultural rallying point around which to gather, be it in the form of values, religion, or tradition. on the contrary, taiwan's business leaders continue to pursue a lowest common denominator business culture which is putting taiwan's economy and society into the grips of a plotting chinese rival. the obvious is true of its political leaders as well. this is reflected in taiwan's relatively weak value of the humanities in all levels of society. political isolation has prevented taiwan from realizing its economic miracle in full potential because it keeps taiwan's focus on the outside, especially on china.
agree with u on every points. and i hate le corbusier's work.
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political isolation prevents a lot more things than you're acknowledging though. for instance, the lack of WHO membership prevents taiwan's government healthcare agencies from collaborating with rival agencies among the international community. this goes beyond how healthcare is conducted in the national healthcare system. it probably limits the progress of healthcare education in the vast private sector (universities), or of education in general. the "internet" also doesn't help taiwan's CDC collect and analyze epidemiological data in the most effective manner available, again, because of the inability of its members to collaborate with those of rival agencies. political isolation also has indirect consequences - it means there is an absence of political pressure on taiwan's legislature to provide adequate support for public programs which most nations take for granted, programs like arts endowments or research initiatives or those which support responsible journalism.

inability to join the UN precludes taiwan of UNESCO recognition and funding. taiwan is probably the only industrialzed "country" without a single recognized world heritage site or UN language conservation initiative. taiwan might have hosted an olympics games by now had it not been for political isolation. had it not been for political isolation, it might not have been excluded from developing culturally enriching trade partnerships with countries anxious to appease a demanding China. of course we're talking about architecture here, but my point is that political engagement has multiplicative effects on the development of a country's identity, effects which go far beyond what trade surpluses and improved gdp alone can do. because of political isolation, taiwan lacks these benefits, and must rely completely on avenues such as the internet and the personal mobility of its citizenry to exchange ideas with the rest of the world.

my last point is much more holistic but ties into the above points. national identity provides a strong cultural affirmation that is difficult to quantify, but its role in the maturation of a distinctive local arts identity cannot be denied. regarding your point about western architecture, it's the urban design in the west which was a disaster in the 60s, but even then one could make a case for the originality of such modernists as mies or le corbusier, and one could not deny the tie between such modernists and their national origins. if you ask me taiwan is a failure in originality overall, especially considering its relative prosperity. thanks to the economic miracle of its plastics and computer manufacturing, taiwan has drastically improved on basic measures relating to increased gdp - hdi, newborn survival rate, life expectancy, sanitation, etc. but it has yet to become a creative, flourishing, post-industrial society with a sense of national identity and purpose - one who's businesses innovate instead of manufacture, whose artists influence instead of mimic, whose scientists discover instead of emigrate...a vibrant democracy whose citizens are allowed to become thinkers. a society with an internal frame of reference. a self-posessed society. every strong society has a cultural rallying point around which to gather, be it in the form of values, religion, or tradition. on the contrary, taiwan's business leaders continue to pursue a lowest common denominator business culture which is putting taiwan's economy and society into the grips of a plotting chinese rival. the obvious is true of its political leaders as well. this is reflected in taiwan's relatively weak value of the humanities in all levels of society. political isolation has prevented taiwan from realizing its economic miracle in full potential because it keeps taiwan's focus on the outside, especially on china.
You remind me, Taiwan haven't become develpment country in the sense of soceity, value, enivronment even enconomic. Thanks for hit me awake!
It may be another reason why I have gap with my compatriots.
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shocking... the water cube is designed by C Y LEE again... i just dont understand... he is like the shittiest and yet...

apparently there is a swimming pool on every single floor.
According skyscrapers.tw, they says that Lee only do the construction section, not the design.
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