When will Canada get a supertall???

[hrisemiky]

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

^Both in this forum. I completely disagree with this arbitrary choice of two standards that are different in height. Either make it 304.8m and 1,000 feet or 300m and 984' 3". The fact that a building qualifies in part due to the measurement system is stupid.

I'm not sure when Canada will get a supertall. It might be another 20 years before it happens. My odds-on-favorites are:
1 Toronto/Mississauga
2 Niagara Falls
3 Hamilton
4 Calgary
5 one of the outer satellites in Vancouver

Niagara Falls & Hamilton over Calgary thats a joke.get some buidings over 150 m and up 200m first or that whould look ridiculous

[Traynor]

I was the first (in this thread) to intimate that the Falls had a chance. It may be a darkhorse, but throw together a Casino/Hotel/Observation proposal, from some Donald Trump-like personality and we all may be surprised that the Falls takes this.

[hrisemiky]

maybe so but it whould look stupid I think

[hrisemiky]

like a hotdog next to a AA battery

[Traynor]

Perhaps... But no sillier than Toronto looked with the TD Tower in 1967. It was way out of scale at first as well. And at least the Falls has a couple of things over 150 meters already.


(Found here: http://www.blogto.com/city/2010/08/t...1880_to_today/)

[hrisemiky]

ya and the Calgary tower in 1968.now that was funny lookin

[dleung]

Originally Posted by Traynor

Perhaps... But no sillier than Toronto looked with the TD Tower in 1967. It was way out of scale at first as well.

Imagine if they never built the TD centre and built every new skyscraper to the finer scale of the existing architecture. There would be way more buildings, and Torontonians won't have to be constantly explaining how the CBD hump makes the skyline look smaller than it is, lol.

[Traynor]

So to use those examples and to extrapolate to what I see for Niagara Falls...

I picture a Casino/Hotel/Observation modeled along the design aesthetics of the Wuxi Farmer's Apartments building in China. The top being an observation pod and restaurant. At 328 meters I don't think it is that out of scale for the Falls.

Please excuse the quick and dirty render I created on the right, to illustrate my point.



Original Wuxi render found in this thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=163700&page=4 )

[The_Architect]

Originally Posted by dleung

Imagine if they never built the TD centre and built every new skyscraper to the finer scale of the existing architecture. There would be way more buildings, and Torontonians won't have to be constantly explaining how the CBD hump makes the skyline look smaller than it is, lol.

But then we wouldn't have the great Mies van der Rohe that we do.. and that would be a shame.

[WhipperSnapper]

Niagara Falls reached its peak. Not to say it won't continue to grow and see new additions to the skyline however, the threat of terrorism in this post-911 era killed a lot of its potential as a new North American gambling capital.

[Architype]

IMO, in the Canadian context, a supertall might as well be redefined as anything over 200 meters.

[artvandelay]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

the threat of terrorism in this post-911 era killed a lot of its potential as a new North American gambling capital.

I don't really see the connection here. I assume that Ontario casino regulations would be a bigger obstacle to that goal.

[caltrane74]

Niagara Falls will always benefit from it's location in an area with over 100 million people.. and of course the Falls themselves.

I too don't believe they will get a supertall before Toronto/Mississauga or Calgary.

But don't count these guys out.

[sodapop_19]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

Niagara Falls will always benefit from it's location in an area with over 100 million people.. and of course the Falls themselves.

I too don't believe they will get a supertall before Toronto/Mississauga or Calgary.

But don't count these guys out.

i highly doubt Mississauga could ever get a supertall... afew skyscrapers? maybe. i think Vancouver would sooner get a supertall than Mississauga, i think it will be toronto first, followed by calgary followed by niagra falls imo.

[HomeInMyShoes]

I was never counting anyone out in my list. I was making a guess.

Calgary does have some nice lots for a super-tall. It's difficult to say what the next oil company will do when they build new, but it's going to take a few years to build up demand for office space again. I'm pretty sure Calgary will get a 300m building within twenty years. It did take a good quarter century to top Petro-Can (Suncor) as the tallest. I threw Hamilton in because they actually had a somewhat ludicrous proposal in the Connaught Tower and it seemed like most people were forgetting that fact. While Niagara Falls has had a few 200+m proposals go the wayside they do have a 170+ building right now and I believe entertainment/gambling has a better chance at building super-tall height than commerce at this point in time. Of course, I could be wrong and the 310m MoneyMart Centre could be built any day now.

It's going to be a very close race between the top three or four cities for which one gets the hole dug first. I also believe it's going to be a while before we see it. I'd say 10 to 15 years before there's a piling going in.

I agree with Architype, although I would be a little more generous to Canada and say 225m is a super-tall.

I'm curious as to when people think the front-runners will build a new tallest for the city let alone the country.

[Bigtime]

200m or 225m as a supertall in Canada? I just can't get on board with that, I'm still all about the imperial system and the fact that both of those measurements don't even crack 800 or 900 feet just doesn't do it for me.

[HomeInMyShoes]

^It's more a comment on the fact that Canada is not really in the super-tall game. Being in St. John's now, six stories is a skyscraper. Definitions are often context specific which is what I believe Architype was intimating.

I completely agree with the 1,000 foot concept. Building materials (at least for homes) are all in imperial anyway and I don't like the concept of two different heights for super-tall status which is dependent on the country (read measurement system) one lives in. 750ft is taller than the ten tallest skyscrapers in Canada right now.

Is it probable that Canada will get a super-tall within five years or at least the hole dug for it? I'm doubtful on that one. Toronto is pushing against taller structures and Calgary has a bit of a wait on office demand, although the oil company rumours are always good. Lots of me would love to see the super-tall come outside of the Toronto area. Montreal and Calgary would be my personal choices for where I'd like to see one, but I don't believe either will get the first one in Canada.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by artvandelay

I don't really see the connection here. I assume that Ontario casino regulations would be a bigger obstacle to that goal.

Niagara Falls has and continues to rely heavily on the much larger population south of the border.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

Is it probable that Canada will get a super-tall within five years or at least the hole dug for it? I'm doubtful on that one.

Only doubtful?

[caltrane74]

I'm hearing rumours that signature Tower is set to be relaunched..

Hold your breath....