Winnipeg City Transit/Rapid Transit - Page 424

LilZebra · #**8461** Posted **Nov 23, 2017, 11:45 PM**

Andy6 · #**8462** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 12:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

Trying not to sound too much like the ranting women but shouldn’t we fix regular non-fancy transit before we even contemplate more BRT routes. Shortage of buses, poor scheduling, under serviced routes, declining ridership, safety on buses etc. are all issues that need to be addressed.

I've said that since joining this forum back in 1947. However, it's clearly not as much fun to repair your current toys as it is to buy new ones, especially ones you can't actually afford (just like the big cities do).

LilZebra · #**8463** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 12:13 AM**

In yesterday's (Wed. Nov. 22 2017) issue of the Free Press, a Robert Dyck wrote a Letter saying that private corps. take part revenue from sales of Transit pre-paid fares such as tickets and passes.

He says that fares could be reduced if Safeway, Shoppers, 7-Eleven were to be discontinued from selling these items and instead more CoW venues like pools, rec. centres, and I guess add to that, WPL library branches.

LilZebra · #**8464** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 3:34 AM**

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MTA New York "bus safety" improvements.

They are adding tech. to announce at intersections for pedestrians to watch for turning buses. "Caution bus is turning..." ... More noise pollution.

Sensors around the bus to monitor for pedestrians, cyclist "and other obstacles" too close to the bus.

rrskylar · #**8465** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 4:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by Andy6

I've said that since joining this forum back in 1947. However, it's clearly not as much fun to repair your current toys as it is to buy new ones, especially ones you can't actually afford (just like the big cities do).

Yeah but Winnipeg is so big city with BRT, or what we call rapid transit just like the "big boy" and "big girl" cities of Canada. Too many who call themselves urbanists and too many wannabe green politicians bought into the bullshit when what was really lacking was a properly functioning transit system.

esquire · #**8466** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 5:02 AM**

^ BRT is not competing against operating dollars for transit... It's competing against other capital projects. There is simply no way that cancelling the next phase of BRT will suddenly translate into a windfall for regular transit service.

And yes, the only reason there is merit to BRT is so that we can all pretend we live in Toronto

bomberjet · #**8467** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 3:12 PM**

I'm a firm believer that we should be planning for the Cities future.

Right now there is an issue with Transit funding. Okay, I 100% agree the City needs to figure that out. It doesn't mean we have to cancel all planning for the future.. Then when the time comes everyone will complain how the City hasn't planned. That's how we get into situations like the Sterling Lyon thing. And now we have City engineers dropping like flies.

rrskylar · #**8468** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 4:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

I'm a firm believer that we should be planning for the Cities future.

Right now there is an issue with Transit funding. Okay, I 100% agree the City needs to figure that out. It doesn't mean we have to cancel all planning for the future.. Then when the time comes everyone will complain how the City hasn't planned. That's how we get into situations like the Sterling Lyon thing. And now we have City engineers dropping like flies.

It's all about funding and priorities, do you really think the southwest transit busway and now second phase parker leg extension were the best use of those public dollars in the overall scheme of things?

esquire · #**8469** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 4:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

It's all about funding and priorities, do you really think the southwest transit busway and now second phase parker leg extension were the best use of those public dollars in the overall scheme of things?

If you can see past the needs of today, then yes.

bomberjet · #**8470** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 4:27 PM**

I think they are one piece of a larger system that will ultimately improve transit service to Winnipeg. Do I sounds like a politician? lol But yes I think it's money well spent, regardless of the Parker dog leg thing.

That's my opinion. I would prefer transit projects over roadway projects like CPT or WCP extensions. Would I love for the City to spend $300M on downtown improvements, absolutely. We should be finding money for all that stuff though. Road expansion projects being last on the list.

Riverman · #**8471** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 4:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Road expansion projects being last on the list.

Our present roadway system is a laughing stock. Winnipeg needs new expressways and a lot of them. Better to spend money there than on a transit system with decreasing usage.

esquire · #**8472** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 4:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Our present roadway system is a laughing stock. Winnipeg needs new expressways and a lot of them. Better to spend money there than on a transit system with decreasing usage.

Hold your horses there buddy, everybody knows expressways are for places like LA. Why should we spend billions just so you can feel like you're living in a "BIG CITY"

bomberjet · #**8473** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 4:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Our present roadway system is a laughing stock. Winnipeg needs new expressways and a lot of them. Better to spend money there than on a transit system with decreasing usage.

That's backwards. We should decrease spending on transit because of decreasing ridership??

cheswick · #**8474** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 5:16 PM**

"But Main st is still all cracked and broken"
"Sorry mom the mob has spoken"

Roger Strong · #**8475** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Hold your horses there buddy, everybody knows expressways are for places like LA.

Well then, since we're rebuilding Empress where it curves around onto Portage, let's at least bank the curve. A *steep* bank with a minimum rather than maximum speed.

It'll even shave some time off the 20 bus route. We might want to warn any standing passengers though.

I want a rule were for every roundabout we build, we steeply bank a curve somewhere else.

Andy6 · #**8476** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 5:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Our present roadway system is a laughing stock. Winnipeg needs new expressways and a lot of them. Better to spend money there than on a transit system with decreasing usage.

Roads have real economic impact. Rapid(ish) Transit is a marginal benefit, affecting how people move around at the margins, with only a slight impact on productivity. Still, I can sort of see the SW busway, which makes some sense by getting bus traffic off main roads on a route that does have some demand. The rest of the busway plans sound like they’d yield diminishing returns, though.

esquire · #**8477** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 5:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Roger Strong

Well then, since we're rebuilding Empress where it curves around onto Portage, let's at least bank the curve. A *steep* bank with a minimum rather than maximum speed.

It'll even shave some time off the 20 bus route. We might want to warn any standing passengers though.

I want a rule were for every roundabout we build, we steeply bank a curve somewhere else.

About time we started speeding up the traffic in this town!

Roger Strong · #**8478** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 5:34 PM**

Hey! That bus isn't signalling his lane change!

bomberjet · #**8479** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 6:30 PM**

I can see why Winnipeg is a suburban City and the downtown is empty at night.

Mass transit is the devil...

Riverman · #**8480** Posted **Nov 24, 2017, 6:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

That's backwards. We should decrease spending on transit because of decreasing ridership??

Oh, keep spending more on transit as ridership and service decreases.

Does that make sense yet?