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Old Posted Nov 14, 2013, 5:07 AM
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another major retail project beside the Tangers outlet cenre


Bass Pro Shops coming to Ottawa in 2015

Outdoor megastore to be anchor tenant of huge development in Kanata North

BY VITO PILIECI, OTTAWA CITIZEN NOVEMBER 13, 2013
OTTAWA — News that a new Bass Pro Shop is schedule to open in Ottawa has yanked back the curtain on much larger development plans that include another massive major retail project to be situated a stone’s throw away from Canadian Tire Centre.

Bass Pro Shop announced its plans to open in 2015 as the anchor tenant in a new development project that will be led by Broccolini/Laurentide Holdings on Huntmar Drive, just north of Highway 417. According to Ottawa commercial real estate experts, the previously unannounced development is expected to be huge.

The inclusion of Bass Pro Shops’ new 120,000-square foot store alone, when mixed with other construction already announced for the area, will bolster development in Kanata North, allowing the Ottawa suburb to boast more commercial construction activity within its borders than the rest of the entire City of Ottawa.

“That’s including Landsdowne, the extension of Bayshore, the extension of Rideau Centre and St. Laurent Shopping Centre,” said Barry Nabatian, director of market research for Shore-Tanner & Associates. “That area is going to have more growth than the rest of the city combined. Ottawa has reached a level of population where it can now support these kinds of things.”

No one from Broccolini would comment on the news Wednesday, the company has been working to keep its development plans for the plot of land under wraps.

According to City of Ottawa documents detailing the property, land owned by the developer totals more than 50 acres. Thanks to the recent construction for Minto’s Arcadia subdivision, which will eventually see 1,700 homes located across the street, and Tanger’s massive outlet mall, which will be next door, Broccolini’s plot is now fully serviced and ready for construction.

The location will also play host to a stop for the city’s eventual extension of the light-rail transit system, making it the ideal spot for a large shopping centre.

“They couldn’t have picked a better location,” Nabatian said. “North Kanata, in particular, is really underserved when it comes to retail.”

The new development will bolster a deluge of construction already going on in the area. To its North, Tangier is busy building an American-style outlet mall which will feature 350,000 square feet of retail space and more than 80 shops. Tangier has already applied for phase two of the project that will see it build a hotel and several restaurants on the site.


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another major retail project beside the Tangers outlet cenre


Bass Pro Shops coming to Ottawa in 2015

Outdoor megastore to be anchor tenant of huge development in Kanata North

BY VITO PILIECI, OTTAWA CITIZEN NOVEMBER 13, 2013
OTTAWA — News that a new Bass Pro Shop is schedule to open in Ottawa has yanked back the curtain on much larger development plans that include another massive major retail project to be situated a stone’s throw away from Canadian Tire Centre.

Bass Pro Shop announced its plans to open in 2015 as the anchor tenant in a new development project that will be led by Broccolini/Laurentide Holdings on Huntmar Drive, just north of Highway 417. According to Ottawa commercial real estate experts, the previously unannounced development is expected to be huge.

The inclusion of Bass Pro Shops’ new 120,000-square foot store alone, when mixed with other construction already announced for the area, will bolster development in Kanata North, allowing the Ottawa suburb to boast more commercial construction activity within its borders than the rest of the entire City of Ottawa.

“That’s including Landsdowne, the extension of Bayshore, the extension of Rideau Centre and St. Laurent Shopping Centre,” said Barry Nabatian, director of market research for Shore-Tanner & Associates. “That area is going to have more growth than the rest of the city combined. Ottawa has reached a level of population where it can now support these kinds of things.”

No one from Broccolini would comment on the news Wednesday, the company has been working to keep its development plans for the plot of land under wraps.

According to City of Ottawa documents detailing the property, land owned by the developer totals more than 50 acres. Thanks to the recent construction for Minto’s Arcadia subdivision, which will eventually see 1,700 homes located across the street, and Tanger’s massive outlet mall, which will be next door, Broccolini’s plot is now fully serviced and ready for construction.

The location will also play host to a stop for the city’s eventual extension of the light-rail transit system, making it the ideal spot for a large shopping centre.

“They couldn’t have picked a better location,” Nabatian said. “North Kanata, in particular, is really underserved when it comes to retail.”

The new development will bolster a deluge of construction already going on in the area. To its North, Tangier is busy building an American-style outlet mall which will feature 350,000 square feet of retail space and more than 80 shops. Tangier has already applied for phase two of the project that will see it build a hotel and several restaurants on the site.


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Old Posted Nov 15, 2013, 5:34 AM
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I like how it's still called Scotiabank Place on that figure.
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I guess all this development means it's not likely the Sens will eventually build an arena closer to downtown.
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I guess all this development means it's not likely the Sens will eventually build an arena closer to downtown.
Or the more development means the land the arena is sitting on becomes more valuable and thus makes it easier to move.But, I wouldn't hold my breath the sens are probably more likely to leave Ottawa than they are to move downtown.
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Doesn't say if it is an enclosed mall or big-box strip. Maybe something like Vaughan Mills?
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Doesn't say if it is an enclosed mall or big-box strip. Maybe something like Vaughan Mills?
I think it will be similar to Kanata Centrum behind Terry Fox Station.
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Doesn't say if it is an enclosed mall or big-box strip. Maybe something like Vaughan Mills?
DEFINITELY not enclosed. That would be cool but not going to happen in Kanata any time soon. If a Mills style mall were ever to be constructed in the Ottawa region in the next 10-15 years it would most likely be in the South end.
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DEFINITELY not enclosed. That would be cool but not going to happen in Kanata any time soon. If a Mills style mall were ever to be constructed in the Ottawa region in the next 10-15 years it would most likely be in the South end.
Why the south end? It is the least affluent of the three large parts of Ottawa (even the newer parts, like Leitrim and Riverside South, seem to have socio-economics less affluent than Kanata - and large areas of the south end are pretty working class), and also the least accessible by highways and transit.
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Strip mall plans clash with city’s vision for LRT-inspired development

BY DAVID REEVELY, OTTAWA CITIZEN NOVEMBER 22, 2013
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OTTAWA — The city’s hopes for tall, dense neighbourhoods near its expensive light-rail stations are off to a slow start, with plans afoot to convert an old strip mall near Blair station into ... a new strip mall.

The property illustrates a conflict between the city’s dreams of intensification near light-rail stations and economic reality. Shoppers City East on Ogilvie Road is at the far east end of the $2.1-billion LRT system the city now has under construction but it’s exactly the sort of place the city’s planners hope will be redeveloped for offices and condominiums. Anchored by a Shoppers Drug Mart, a Staples and a Giant Tiger, it’s surrounded by a vast parking lot. Over the years it’s had seven owners and not a lot of investment.

“After 40 years, the place is looking a little bit ratty,” said Coun. Tim Tierney, who represents the area. The headquarters of the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service is just to the northwest and a billion-dollar complex for Communications Security Establishment Canada is under construction next to it. A knot of mirrored office buildings is next door.

The city’s finishing a study, one of several it’s doing focused on Transitway stations that are soon to become LRT stations, that says much of the Shoppers City site is good for 20- and 30-storey buildings. Six storeys on the section closest to Ogilvie. It should be broken up into smaller, easily navigated blocks, says a draft of the study the city presented in September. The idea is to get the most value out of the city’s investment in rail, to make sure as many people as possible can live and work close to its stations.

The city’s planners acknowledge it’s a long-term idea, not anything anybody expects to be done tomorrow, but a total demolition should be an opportunity to get closer to it.

But Shoppers City East’s new owner, Trinity Developments, doesn’t want what the city wants. It wants a strip mall. The company refused to talk about its plan, but documents filed with the city show it wants to break up the one central block of stores that makes up Shoppers City East to put up smaller buildings around the edges of the property, with parking in the middle. It’s leaving a southern section — the area the city’s transit-oriented planners hope will eventually have 30-storey buildings — vacant, which Tierney pointed out would at least leave options open for later.

“It has to make sense for the developer as well,” Tierney said of the mismatch between the city’s ideas and the landowner’s. “You can’t just put up a tower and hope somebody’s going to come along and fill it.”

That was the mistake the old regional government made when it built the Transitway, he said: Assuming that big bus stations would encourage growth around themselves. They generally didn’t. But light rail is supposed to be different.

Tierney said the area around Cyrville station, one stop closer to downtown, will be more attractive. In Beacon Hill, even the current ratty old Shoppers City fills a need, Tierney said.

“When it comes to the residential side, frankly there’s not a lot of mall area in that area, so there’s a lot of constituents that are quite concerned that they would lose the ability to do a lot of shopping. I’ve heard that from many people,” he said. Trinity plans to include a supermarket, one with a lot of parking, and that’s very welcome in the neighbourhood. So’s the plan to keep a big pharmacy. People need places to shop.

“You’re going to create food deserts. I mean, it’s great to have residential, but you need to have food retail if you want people to live there,” he said.

The new strip-mall plans include better ways to walk from store to store across the parking lot and outdoor patios. It’ll be immensely more appealing than what’s there now, Tierney said, and that’s the important thing.
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The property illustrates a conflict between the city’s dreams of intensification near light-rail stations and economic reality. Shoppers City East on Ogilvie Road is at the far east end of the $2.1-billion LRT system the city now has under construction but it’s exactly the sort of place the city’s planners hope will be redeveloped for offices and condominiums. Anchored by a Shoppers Drug Mart, a Staples and a Giant Tiger, it’s surrounded by a vast parking lot. Over the years it’s had seven owners and not a lot of investment.

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“When it comes to the residential side, frankly there’s not a lot of mall area in that area, so there’s a lot of constituents that are quite concerned that they would lose the ability to do a lot of shopping. I’ve heard that from many people,” he said. Trinity plans to include a supermarket, one with a lot of parking, and that’s very welcome in the neighbourhood. So’s the plan to keep a big pharmacy. People need places to shop.

“You’re going to create food deserts. I mean, it’s great to have residential, but you need to have food retail if you want people to live there,” he said.
What a load of horsecrap. How is losing a Giant Tiger, Staples and Shoppers Drug Mart going to create a "food desert"? You've got Loblaws, Wal-Mart and Metro along Ogilvie. And Costco, Farm Boy, Target, Food Basics all within a couple of kilometres away.
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And this is where minimum density requirements come in for redevelopment in cities that have decent planning.
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I would definitely have to agree in this case.

I've always had a soft spot for Giant Tiger, though. You can save a lot of money by going there (but I digress...)
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Maybe do a higher level zoning there? And yes, supermarkets can and do exist in dense areas too...
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I have a somewhat radical idea for the area: completely rezone it as a business/industrial area. That would prohibit uses such as strip retail and turn it into a major business hub of the east end. The CBD is pretty much built out, and in fact some of the buildings there likely are in poor condition anyway and could use demolition (i.e. the cheap 1960s era buildings).

Although it would decades to really take hold and bring back the height limits, there should be a moratorium on new buildings taller than 125 feet in downtown Ottawa (my definition being from the O-Train tracks to Highway 417, to the Rideau River and Ottawa River).
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Disappointing news and I hope the city forces something more urban built there, but it's not the end of the world.

Yes, it is a strip mall, but its layout is pretty good for a strip mall--it has the parking lot in the middle and the stores on the edge. That kind of layout is decently pedestrian friendly and it encourages people to move between store and store by foot instead of driving around. Also there's vacant space left behind on some of the site for future tower use.

Most importantly, intensification is not urgently needed at Blair. Blair Station actually has a good amount of stuff around it--CSIS, CSEC, Gloucester Centre, the movie theatre, residential neighbourhoods right nearby, etc. This means that even without intensification it will have decent walk-up usage. This contrasts with Cyrville, Tremblay, Hurdman, and Bayview which are much more desperately in need of urban development.

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I have a somewhat radical idea for the area: completely rezone it as a business/industrial area. That would prohibit uses such as strip retail and turn it into a major business hub of the east end. The CBD is pretty much built out, and in fact some of the buildings there likely are in poor condition anyway and could use demolition (i.e. the cheap 1960s era buildings).

Although it would decades to really take hold and bring back the height limits, there should be a moratorium on new buildings taller than 125 feet in downtown Ottawa (my definition being from the O-Train tracks to Highway 417, to the Rideau River and Ottawa River).
Blair as a business park is a neat idea but ideally it should be a mixed-use site with business, retail, and residential. Blair already has this--there's the business (CGI, Telesat, CSEC, CSIS), the retail (Gloucester Centre, the theatre, the Future Shop, etc.), and residential (low-rise residential neighbourhoods right nearby especially to the west), and we want to build on that.

If it comes down to a choice--Blair rezoned as a business park vs. this strip mall being allowed, I'd actually prefer the latter.
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Such a lack of vision. Another strip mall?

On a side note, my church is in that plaza. I guess we'll be moving soon.
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Although it would decades to really take hold and bring back the height limits, there should be a moratorium on new buildings taller than 125 feet in downtown Ottawa (my definition being from the O-Train tracks to Highway 417, to the Rideau River and Ottawa River).
Seriously????? This is a joke right?
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Although it would decades to really take hold and bring back the height limits, there should be a moratorium on new buildings taller than 125 feet in downtown Ottawa (my definition being from the O-Train tracks to Highway 417, to the Rideau River and Ottawa River).
Why?
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He must be trolling. That's the stupidest comment I've ever seen on this forum haha.'

Edit: in the mean time we might as well scrap/tear down/cancel these recently built/proposed/approved/mentioned developments over 125 feet in that area (off the top of my head).

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