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Old Posted Sep 8, 2011, 10:10 PM
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Hello;

The following is the WBCA Board's position on Uniform Developments zoning application for the Former Fendor property at 335 Roosevelt.

WBCA Executive

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Issue

Uniform Urban Developments wants to build two high-rise towers (one 16 and one 14 storey building) on the former Fendor site (335 Roosevelt). This is almost 3 times the height that is permitted under the current zoning.

Community Position
The communities on both sides of the transitway, do not want these high-rise towers.

We want the existing zoning to be respected. We also want meaningful community consultation about how the former Fendor property should be developed, within the existing zoning and respecting City and Provincial planning guidelines.

Rationale

To date, consultations with the developer have not been meaningful. This is because the developer has not submitted any reasonable, thoughtful designs that fit within current zoning laws and planning guidelines. Instead, he has compared his preferred design to a purely hypothetical, massive and unattractive building.

This comparison seems to serve a two-fold purpose, namely to establish the maximum square footage that could possibly be built on the property under current zoning rules, and to predispose the community to accepting his more appealing design.

The choice between the hypothetical building and the proposed towers is a false one. It avoids the real question, which is what is an appropriate design for the building that would fit within the current rules and complement the existing neighbourhood.

Why does the developer wish to build higher than is currently allowed on the property? We think it is because condominiums with River views sell for much, much more than ones without. That is what is really at issue here.

The developer is a very reputable builder. We have every confidence that he can erect an attractive condominium that is consistent with all applicable urban planning guidelines, within the current zoning bylaws and that is supported by the community.

When local residents moved in and poured their life savings into their homes, they did not expect that they would some day face the prospect of being surrounded by high-rises.

The proposed imposing structures will change the character of the neighbourhood and will reduce the use and enjoyment of our properties, and therefore the value of our properties by:
  • Dominating the skyline and visual landscape for several kilometres in every direction and dwarfing surrounding homes on both sides of the transitway
  • Replacing our current view of the sky with two imposing towers and darkening our homes in winter when we most need sunlight for health and happiness. Homes on Workman Avenue currently enjoy bright winter sun through their front windows from 10 am onward even on the shortest day of the year. These buildings will put us in darkness all day, except for very brief interludes when the sun passes between the buildings, and late in the day, when there is virtually no sunshine left.
  • Significantly reducing our access to solar energy by creating large and persistent shadows. On Workman Avenue and nearby properties, this will increase winter heating costs (by approximately 15%) and virtually eliminate those homes’ solar energy potential in the winter (for example, from roof-mounted panels that generate electricity or hot water). These impacts represent real and significant economic costs to these homes, and are contrary to provincial and federal programs to promote rooftop solar energy.
  • Providing a perfect vantage point for anyone who might want to invade our privacy; and
  • Contributing to increasing traffic in the neighbourhood.

Conclusion

The zoning of properties is a public policy decision. It needs to balance the profit motive with the needs of the community and the overall public interest.

We call on the Planning Committee to deny the Developer’s application to change the zoning for the property at 335 Roosevelt.

We call on the Developer, Uniform Urban Developments, to withdraw their application for a zoning change and to propose, in a spirit of true consultation with the community, a design that fits within the existing zoning, style and character of the neighbourhood, meets all applicable City and Provincial guidelines, and is acceptable to the community.

We invite the developer to meet with the community to discuss thoughtful alternative designs that fit within the community, will minimize the negative effects described above, and that respect the current zoning and all applicable City and provincial guidelines.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2011, 2:17 AM
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This is just so commonplace that I can hardly bring myself into commenting.

Building within zoning would bring another one-storey industrial building or a two story home. So, no change. Everyone happy.

Heating costs? Really? How do you figure you'll use 15% more heating fuel? And as for the landscape being dominated for kilometres - where within the greenbelt isn't the landscape dominated? Even if a building is in sight your life is ruined? No one go to the beach - there's a 16 storey building four kilometres away and our experience will be ruined as we peer into the distance, single out one structure, and fume over how angry we are.

Don't walk your dog at the Arboretum, there's a university tower over there on the Carleton campus. You'll have to see it, and will have no choice but to leave in a huff and pretend you're in a green field that ISN'T near a building in a city.

After looking at the last 10 years of this stuff, I've concluded there is no spot anywhere in or near the city to build a tall building. Not downtown, with all the tall buildings, not in the exurban areas with their selective highrises - nope, nothing over two storeys, anywhere anyone might see it.
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I think this project has poor timing, and would have a better chance when the western leg of the LRT is finally decided on. Will the Dominion stop be retained? I have my doubts, as the location has no potential for being a bus transfer hub. If the current Westboro station were to be replaced with one near Island Park and another in the vicinity of Churchill, station access for the latter could even be integrated with this project. As it is, this development is perceived as high rises deep within a mature residential neighbourhood.

One thing I think they should explore is extending a driveway to the Churchill/Scott intersection. The community uses this portion of Roosevelt as the main pedestrian and cycling access between the village and the beach / riverfront pathways, so the prospect of increased traffic on this street would concern not just the residents along it but pretty well everyone who walks/jogs/cycles in the area.
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Westboro residents jam hall to oppose high-rise condos

BY ZEV SINGER, THE OTTAWA CITIZEN SEPTEMBER 28, 2011
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Westbor...329/story.html

OTTAWA — It’s the type of meeting that happens all of over the city, with increasing regularity: a developer presents plans for two condo towers where something much smaller used to be and the surrounding community doesn’t like it.

This time it was in Westboro, at 335 Roosevelt Ave., where Uniform Developments wants to build a pair of buildings, 14 and 16 storeys. Neighbouring residents say the city should deny the company’s application to rezone the land to allow buildings that tall. The condos will change the character of the neighbourhood, block out the sun for nearby homes and increase traffic, they say.

Hundreds of people crowded the upstairs meeting room at the Churchill Senior Recreation Centre. Kitchissippi ward councillor Katherine Hobbs told the crowd to keep calm so that nobody would faint in the heat.

“They’re a little concerned downstairs that we’re over the fire code,” she said. Yasir Naqvi, running for re-election as the provincial Liberal candidate in Ottawa Centre, was there handing out water bottles to help people keep cool.

The crowd was vocal in its opposition to the plan, arguing that the developer’s traffic study was not realistic and that the community did not believe the towers were at all appropriate for the location.

According to the position statement of the Westboro Beach Community Association, the group feels that the proposed development “will change the character of the neighbourhood and will reduce the use and enjoyment of our properties, and therefore the value of our properties.”

Specifically, they said the new towers would “dominate the skyline” and “dwarf” surrounding homes; darken the surrounding homes that would now be in shadow most of the day, increasing heating bills and decreasing the sunshine available causing ill effects for health and happiness; providing vantage points within the towers for those wishing to invade the privacy of surrounding home owners; and increasing neighbourhood traffic.

The developer and the architect, Barry Hobin, told the crowd that the current zoning at the site allows for apartments, although the height cap is at 19 metres. That would permit a maximum of 220,000 square feet of space. The proposed 198-unit plan, they said, calls for the same number of square feet, just arranged more vertically, with a maximum height of 53 metres. They said that would make for a more appealing form and one that better fit the city’s planning priorities.

About an-hour-and-a-half into the two-hour meeting, someone at the back of the room challenged the developers on the comparison, saying that the short version of the 220,000-square-foot building was not a real option. While allowed by current zoning and theoretically possible, he said, such a building would be too awful to actually build.

“Barry Hobin would never put his name on it,” the man stated.

Hobin didn’t respond directly, but after the meeting, he conceded the point.

“I don’t like that option, I find it too squat,” he said. “I’d have problems with it.”

That would likely mean Uniform wouldn’t be willing to do it, either, since they have been working exclusively with Hobin for the past 13 years.

George Georgaras, Uniform’s general manager, said after the meeting that his company didn’t like the squat option.

“Architecture is one of our primary focuses,” he said, “and we were not happy with the form we would get with the permitted zoning bylaw.”

At the same time, Georgaras rejected the idea that squat building could not happen.

“It’s a real option,” he said.

If they don’t get the height changed, will they hire a different architect and build the squat one after all?

“We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it,” Georgaras said.

For many of the residents at the meeting, the increased traffic in the neighbourhood was the biggest issue. Traffic is already a serious problem in the area, they said.

Hobbs, who told the crowd, to a response of boos, that she was still keeping an open mind on the project, said she certainly had issues with the way cars would flow to and from the new development.

“I’m not happy about that,” she said. “I think that we should be routing it in a way that takes these people out onto a collector instead of onto residential streets that have been cut off from this kind of traffic.”

Georgaras said Uniform will give consideration the ideas expressed by the residents.

“We’ll go away from here and take into account the comments that we heard,” he said. “If there is an opportunity for us to improve our scheme prior to it going to planning committee, we’ll do that.”

Hobin, who has been through many such meetings said after the meeting that quite a few people in the crowd were “rude.” Yet, it’s the type of scene that is playing out more and more often.

The meeting is just the latest evidence of a change happening across the city as developers shift increasingly toward condos rather than single-family homes.

According to the city’s annual development report, released earlier this month, the 44 per cent of the new homes started in 2010 in Ottawa’s urban area fit the criteria for “intensification.”

In just one year, from 2009 to 2010, the percentage of new dwellings that are single-family homes fell from about 40 per cent to about 34 per cent; the percentage that are apartments climbed from 20 per cent to 30 per cent.

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Westboro residents jam hall to oppose high-rise condos

BY ZEV SINGER, THE OTTAWA CITIZEN SEPTEMBER 28, 2011
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Westbor...329/story.html

OTTAWA — It’s the type of meeting that happens all of over the city, with increasing regularity: a developer presents plans for two condo towers where something much smaller used to be and the surrounding community doesn’t like it.

This time it was in Westboro, at 335 Roosevelt Ave., where Uniform Developments wants to build a pair of buildings, 14 and 16 storeys. Neighbouring residents say the city should deny the company’s application to rezone the land to allow buildings that tall. The condos will change the character of the neighbourhood, block out the sun for nearby homes and increase traffic, they say.

Hundreds of people crowded the upstairs meeting room at the Churchill Senior Recreation Centre. Kitchissippi ward councillor Katherine Hobbs told the crowd to keep calm so that nobody would faint in the heat.

“They’re a little concerned downstairs that we’re over the fire code,” she said. Yasir Naqvi, running for re-election as the provincial Liberal candidate in Ottawa Centre, was there handing out water bottles to help people keep cool.

The crowd was vocal in its opposition to the plan, arguing that the developer’s traffic study was not realistic and that the community did not believe the towers were at all appropriate for the location.

According to the position statement of the Westboro Beach Community Association, the group feels that the proposed development “will change the character of the neighbourhood and will reduce the use and enjoyment of our properties, and therefore the value of our properties.”

Specifically, they said the new towers would “dominate the skyline” and “dwarf” surrounding homes; darken the surrounding homes that would now be in shadow most of the day, increasing heating bills and decreasing the sunshine available causing ill effects for health and happiness; providing vantage points within the towers for those wishing to invade the privacy of surrounding home owners; and increasing neighbourhood traffic.

The developer and the architect, Barry Hobin, told the crowd that the current zoning at the site allows for apartments, although the height cap is at 19 metres. That would permit a maximum of 220,000 square feet of space. The proposed 198-unit plan, they said, calls for the same number of square feet, just arranged more vertically, with a maximum height of 53 metres. They said that would make for a more appealing form and one that better fit the city’s planning priorities.

About an-hour-and-a-half into the two-hour meeting, someone at the back of the room challenged the developers on the comparison, saying that the short version of the 220,000-square-foot building was not a real option. While allowed by current zoning and theoretically possible, he said, such a building would be too awful to actually build.

“Barry Hobin would never put his name on it,” the man stated.

Hobin didn’t respond directly, but after the meeting, he conceded the point.

“I don’t like that option, I find it too squat,” he said. “I’d have problems with it.”

That would likely mean Uniform wouldn’t be willing to do it, either, since they have been working exclusively with Hobin for the past 13 years.

George Georgaras, Uniform’s general manager, said after the meeting that his company didn’t like the squat option.

“Architecture is one of our primary focuses,” he said, “and we were not happy with the form we would get with the permitted zoning bylaw.”

At the same time, Georgaras rejected the idea that squat building could not happen.

“It’s a real option,” he said.

If they don’t get the height changed, will they hire a different architect and build the squat one after all?

“We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it,” Georgaras said.

For many of the residents at the meeting, the increased traffic in the neighbourhood was the biggest issue. Traffic is already a serious problem in the area, they said.

Hobbs, who told the crowd, to a response of boos, that she was still keeping an open mind on the project, said she certainly had issues with the way cars would flow to and from the new development.

“I’m not happy about that,” she said. “I think that we should be routing it in a way that takes these people out onto a collector instead of onto residential streets that have been cut off from this kind of traffic.”

Georgaras said Uniform will give consideration the ideas expressed by the residents.

“We’ll go away from here and take into account the comments that we heard,” he said. “If there is an opportunity for us to improve our scheme prior to it going to planning committee, we’ll do that.”

Hobin, who has been through many such meetings said after the meeting that quite a few people in the crowd were “rude.” Yet, it’s the type of scene that is playing out more and more often.

The meeting is just the latest evidence of a change happening across the city as developers shift increasingly toward condos rather than single-family homes.

According to the city’s annual development report, released earlier this month, the 44 per cent of the new homes started in 2010 in Ottawa’s urban area fit the criteria for “intensification.”

In just one year, from 2009 to 2010, the percentage of new dwellings that are single-family homes fell from about 40 per cent to about 34 per cent; the percentage that are apartments climbed from 20 per cent to 30 per cent.

© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen
What? No mention of the clear and present danger to the children? (By way of traffic induced squishing)

Hopefully as this generation ages, their voice will become less predominant in local politics, because this is getting tiresome.
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The usual advocacy for squat, wide, property line-to-property line midrise instead of something taller and infinitely more horrible.

I really can't read these stories anymore because I don't have to. They're word for word identical to the story that came before it, with the concerns identical as well.

And honestly, how many of these people even live within viewing distance of these buildings?
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And honestly, how many of these people even live within viewing distance of these buildings?
but they will DOMINATE the skyline!!!! massive skyscraping 16 and 14 story towers!!! you'll see them from all across the land...at least four blocks away!
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If these concerns are all the same, maybe they should be addressed by municipal planners to make intensification a much easier process. Loss of sunlight is a legitimate concern. I think a good compromise would be to upzone the surrounding neighbourhood of single-unit dwellings to permit their replacement with row houses and low rise apartments in exchange for the developer halving the heights of their buildings.
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If these concerns are all the same, maybe they should be addressed by municipal planners to make intensification a much easier process. Loss of sunlight is a legitimate concern. I think a good compromise would be to upzone the surrounding neighbourhood of single-unit dwellings to permit their replacement with row houses and low rise apartments in exchange for the developer halving the heights of their buildings.
Oh yeah, the people concerned with their single family home neighbourhood changing would embrace that...right...
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That's why it's called a compromise. No one is totally happy. No one is totally disappointed. But everyone can live with it.
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Yasir Naqvi, running for re-election as the provincial Liberal candidate in Ottawa Centre, was there handing out water bottles to help people keep cool.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Westbor...#ixzz1ZGlwBYLq

This line in the Ottawa Citizen article had me howling with laughter.....the transparency of his actions are hilarious
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That's why it's called a compromise. No one is totally happy. No one is totally disappointed. But everyone can live with it.
The area around it is already zoned R3.
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Someone needs to make it clear to these home owners that they bought their property and only their property, not the airspace around it. Not the "character of the neighbourhood" it's located in. And while they can certainly oppose a change in zoning and even advocate all they like in favour of the status quo circa 1970... or 1950, it's time to stop pretending that Westboro or any other relatively centrally located neighbourhood is a garden/streetcar suburb on the fringes of a small city. They have enjoyed that privilege not as a legal right but as a by-product of car-dominated urban planning. And now the party's over. I hear Home Depot has nice faux-wood blinds that block out the world... er, neighbours, quite well.
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Homes do no exist in vacuums. It is perfectly reasonable to ensure that nearby development does not have a negative impact on your residence. If our responsibility ended at our property lines, then people could pollute the air, soil, and water without risk of punishment. I still think my compromise would be best.
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Homes do no exist in vacuums. It is perfectly reasonable to ensure that nearby development does not have a negative impact on your residence. If our responsibility ended at our property lines, then people could pollute the air, soil, and water without risk of punishment. I still think my compromise would be best.
Is this project going to pollute the air, soil, or water?

No?

No more than any other residential property in the area?

Good, then.
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Homes do no exist in vacuums. It is perfectly reasonable to ensure that nearby development does not have a negative impact on your residence. If our responsibility ended at our property lines, then people could pollute the air, soil, and water without risk of punishment. I still think my compromise would be best.
Agreed. But negative impact and zero impact are not quite the same thing. And yes, you're right that compromise has to be the order of the day not just here but everywhere in the city.
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they said the new towers would “dominate the skyline” and “dwarf” surrounding homes; darken the surrounding homes that would now be in shadow most of the day, increasing heating bills and decreasing the sunshine available causing ill effects for health and happiness; providing vantage points within the towers for those wishing to invade the privacy of surrounding home owners; and increasing neighbourhood traffic.
These reporters have to go to every one of these meetings and hear the same argument verbatim in every neighbourhood for every development over 2 storeys. Must be maddening.

The Transitway corridor downtown and especially just west of downtown (Westboro, Tunney's, Bayview, City Centre, and Lebreton Flats) could hold 100,000 people and essentially pay for the future LRT, which would be damn appealing to all of those residents.

This location is about 150 yards from a Transitway station. One bus! Nepean? Downtown? Orleans? One bus to get there.
And you could also walk to stores, the pub, the beach. Sounds great. Sounds almost like the coveted European model they like to wax poetic about. Once that land is built on with 2 storey homes, it is gone. Hello urban boundary expansion!

Tall buildings will bother you - anywhere - if you make them the one focus of your day and your life. If a building near you destroys your hopes, dreams, furniture, and health,I think most of that destruction is imaginary, because it's all still there in real life! A tall skinny tower will not shadow a house all day. It's called the rotation of the earth.
I'm not sure if people in Ottawa have ever visited other cities, because they all have tall buildings and transit and evolving policies and zoning as well. They didn't just make a (bad) policy in the 1950s/60s and say 'that's it, we're sticking with this'

The Greber plan fell apart decades ago. These people are selfish NIMBYs, because they refuse to concede anything in the name of the greater good. It's their way or nothing; they couldn't care less about nature, or the countryside, or taxes and failing transit, it's all about getting what they want. There's no such thing as the greater good with these people - they know sprawl is unsustainable and a bad thing for both the environment and the economic sustainability of their city, but they'll gladly advocate for it as long as they can be free of the legions of 'peepers' eager to watch them get themorning mail and traffic on the street that only they are allowed to drive on.

Sorry, not much patience here.
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Tall buildings will bother you - anywhere - if you make them the one focus of your day and your life. If a building near you destroys your hopes, dreams, furniture, and health,I think most of that destruction is imaginary, because it's all still there in real life! A tall skinny tower will not shadow a house all day. It's called the rotation of the earth.
Seriously, though.

And it also won't destroy your property values. Just visit Sandy Hill, the Glebe near the canal (and a few other areas), the Golden Triangle. Detached houses cheek by jowl with 10- and 12-storey apartments, condos, retirement residences. Detached houses that aren't exactly cheap, if you've ever thought about buying one.
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These reporters have to go to every one of these meetings and hear the same argument verbatim in every neighbourhood for every development over 2 storeys. Must be maddening.

The Transitway corridor downtown and especially just west of downtown (Westboro, Tunney's, Bayview, City Centre, and Lebreton Flats) could hold 100,000 people and essentially pay for the future LRT, which would be damn appealing to all of those residents.

This location is about 150 yards from a Transitway station. One bus! Nepean? Downtown? Orleans? One bus to get there.
And you could also walk to stores, the pub, the beach. Sounds great. Sounds almost like the coveted European model they like to wax poetic about. Once that land is built on with 2 storey homes, it is gone. Hello urban boundary expansion!

Tall buildings will bother you - anywhere - if you make them the one focus of your day and your life. If a building near you destroys your hopes, dreams, furniture, and health,I think most of that destruction is imaginary, because it's all still there in real life! A tall skinny tower will not shadow a house all day. It's called the rotation of the earth.
I'm not sure if people in Ottawa have ever visited other cities, because they all have tall buildings and transit and evolving policies and zoning as well. They didn't just make a (bad) policy in the 1950s/60s and say 'that's it, we're sticking with this'

The Greber plan fell apart decades ago. These people are selfish NIMBYs, because they refuse to concede anything in the name of the greater good. It's their way or nothing; they couldn't care less about nature, or the countryside, or taxes and failing transit, it's all about getting what they want. There's no such thing as the greater good with these people - they know sprawl is unsustainable and a bad thing for both the environment and the economic sustainability of their city, but they'll gladly advocate for it as long as they can be free of the legions of 'peepers' eager to watch them get themorning mail and traffic on the street that only they are allowed to drive on.

Sorry, not much patience here.
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NIMBYs are like third year university students - they spout an established checklist of outright lies and half-truths in order to fit in, because having a differing, broader opinion would make them despised cast-outs.

Property values, get real. In the 1970s/80s people lived in Westboro if they couldn't get a house in Bayshore! Why? Because it was a dump filled with gas stations and used car lots!

Or, the glory days, as the NIMBYs see it.
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