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Old Posted Mar 16, 2006, 2:28 AM
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LV's plight? The fact that any projects like this are being built in LV would have been unthinkable a few years ago. Even if every single project not now under construction was cancelled, LV would still have had a sizeable boom.

Even using your math of only 1/4 of the projects being built, that leaves 44 high-rise projects in the next 3 or so years.

Also in regards to conventional wisdom, in case you haven't noticed, it has never applied to Las Vegas. What makes you think it's right this time?
I agree that the numbers are still impressive -- no worries! Just not with the idea that "approved" or "selling units" means that specfic projects will probably get built.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2006, 4:13 AM
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I agree that the numbers are still impressive -- no worries! Just not with the idea that "approved" or "selling units" means that specfic projects will probably get built.
Agreed. The "probably" may be misleading.
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With respect to the view from Panorama I actually thought the opposite--once City Center is built out I am not sure the view will be that great. From the renderings and models I've seen the condo towers will be lined up in a boxy row along the freeway. Although they will not be a solid wall, the views directly east from Panorama will be mostly of those buildings. Views to the northwest and southeast should be amazing, though.
Granted, City Center does look pretty full up against the freeway, but from this picture here, you can see why the view should still be amazing. From Left to right its good stuff. Only problem I see is Tower 3 will possibly block some of T1 and T2's North, Northwest views. This picture was taken from T1 21st floor.

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alot of those arent very pretty, but damn thats a lot of towers
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Trophy Towers, a multi-story condominium with panoramic views of both the world-famous Las Vegas Strip and Las Vegas Motor Speedway's 1.5-mile super speedway, is the latest addition to LVMS's multimillion-dollar makeover and will be a welcomed addition to the northeast valley.

Bruton Smith, chairman of LVMS's parent company, has overseen condominium projects at three other SMI speedways: Lowe's Motor Speedway in Charlotte, N.C., Atlanta Motor Speedway and Texas Motor Speedway in Fort Worth. Each project has been met with rave reviews.

In addition to the private units, Trophy Towers will feature a swimming pool, spa, workout room, private parking and high-tech security. The individual units will range in size from approximately 1,750 square feet to 3,500 square feet for the penthouse. Each condo will have views of both the Strip and the speedway.

AI Design Group of Charlotte, N.C., is the architect for the project. AI Design also has planned the speedway's infield renovation and has been involved in many projects at other SMI facilities.

Trophy Towers is scheduled to break ground sometime this year.

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is anyone else getting tired of projects having 'las vegas' in their name?
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2006, 11:36 PM
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Project CityCenter Update
Another Look Into the Project
Project CityCenter Rendering
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Scheduled to open in late 2009, Project CityCenter will encompass 2.3 million square feet of residential space, with more than 2,000 luxury condos, along with a 60-story, 4,000-room hotel casino, two 400-room, non-gaming hotels and almost 500,000 square feet of retail shops, dining and entertainment attractions. MGM Mirage will team up with Bloomfield Hills, Mich.-based Taubman Centers, Inc. to attract top-flight retail tenants.

"Project City-Center confirms a cultural and lifestyle revival of city living, reaffirms the growing sophistication and maturity of Las Vegas and sets a benchmark for new growth and exciting new experiences as the city moves into its next 100 years," said Terry Lanni, chairman and chief executive officer of MGM Mirage.


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At $7 billion, the ambitious proposal expects to be the most expensive privately funded development ever undertaken in the U.S. After estimated proceeds of $2.5 billion from the sale of condos, MGM Mirage expects the net project cost will be about $4.5 billion.

"Our financing plan for Project City-Center calls for significant residential proceeds to supplement our available borrowing capacity and free cash flow to efficiently fund this major development, while maintaining maximum flexibility for other expansion initiatives," said Jim Murren, president, CFO and treasurer of MGM Mirage.


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Project City-Center expected to break ground in the middle of the year, will be built on about 66 acres between Bellagio and Monte Carlo, and will be connected to these resorts via a state-of-the-art people mover system.

The project will incorporate elements designed to make it one of the world's largest environmentally sustainable urban communities. From garden roofs to the use of reclaimed water, to the creation of a central, on-site power plant, Project City-Center is promoting responsible use of water, electricity and natural gas -- and becoming eligible for Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design certification.
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Here's a question that hopefully one of you vegas forumers can answer: I know the cosmopolitan site is very active with construction, but is there actual foundation work going on for the two main towers??? If there ism what year did foundation work begin, 2005 or 2006???
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Excellent comment I'm very confused on this one. My understanding is that this will be like " the big dig" ala palazzo. 5 story underground parking. after this is completed they will need to seek mor finatial input from Duetche bank for the residual of the construction. The casino tower will be built first then the beach tower ( the small tower closer to the strip) this smaller tower as of today is only 40% sold out! why? I don't know. out of all the condos this by far has the best location
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Excellent comment I'm very confused on this one. My understanding is that this will be like " the big dig" ala palazzo. 5 story underground parking. after this is completed they will need to seek mor finatial input from Duetche bank for the residual of the construction. The casino tower will be built first then the beach tower ( the small tower closer to the strip) this smaller tower as of today is only 40% sold out! why? I don't know. out of all the condos this by far has the best location
I agree that the beach tower has the best location. My hunch on why the beach tower is only 40% sold out is the same studio sold for a couple of hundred grand less in the main tower, which doesn't make it as good a value for investors. Also, there is a 30% down requirement for the beach tower versus the 20% for the main tower...
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reviewjournal.com has banner ads for the W Las Vegas Residences. Advertised as "from $650,000". The studios have been reported to only be 500 sq feet. Is $1,300 a sq ft close to the top for the LV market?
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2006, 4:16 AM
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Slower Sales?

Cosmopolitan does have one of the best locations, particularly for those looking for a weekend getaway place, rather than a full time home. Aside from price and a general slow down in the market at this time of the year, I suspect that time to completion has something to do with it as well.

When you think about it, someone who is in the market for a half or full million dollar pad might want to move in to something sooner rather than later. Cosmo beach tower is several years away. But, with Panorama, Sky, MGM, etc. all coming on line soon, buyers might be hoping to find something available now or within a year.

Before the boom, there was no alternative to waiting since there was nothing already available. Now, there are some options that might be available sooner.

By the way, I got an e-mail from Las Vegas Central for an exclusive preview next week. So, looks like they are moving forward with their sales efforts finally.
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Just in case the other Vegas forumers hadn't noticed, Palms Place is already going vertical.
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Just some news on Trump..

Las Vegas Review-Journal

Big work, big name, big time

Major concrete pour helps lift Trump high-rise condo project to new level

By HOWARD STUTZ
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New York developer Donald Trump doesn't like to do anything small.






Take, for example, the task of completing the largest level of the $500 million Trump International Hotel & Tower, now under construction behind the New Frontier.

Perini Building Co., the project's general contractor, is overseeing a two-day placement of approximately 2,100 cubic yards of concrete that will form the tower's sixth-floor recreational deck. It isn't the largest single concrete pour the company has accomplished -- the basement levels of several Strip casinos were a greater magnitude -- but the challenge is the area of the building.

"It's a little more difficult because it's vertical," Perini Chairman Dick Rizzo said of the sixth-floor location. "What's most significant is the size of this building. For now, other than the Stratosphere, nothing will be taller."

Trump, builder of Manhattan skyscrapers and developer of prime New York real estate and star of NBC's "The Apprentice," said his first Las Vegas project was 20 years in the making.

"It's exciting to see this building take shape because I always thought it would be a total winner," said Trump, whose name had been rumored concerning the purchase of various Strip casinos and Las Vegas real estate over two decades. "It's going to be an amazing building in a great location. The Trump brand is good for the city."

The concrete pour began at 1 a.m. Friday and went for four hours with nonstop delivery of materials by more than two dozen trucks. The pour is scheduled to finish Monday with a second four-hour early-morning effort.

The recreational deck, the elevated public level of the 64-story, 1,282-unit project, will eventually encompass 36,000 square feet for the tower's pool area, spa, gym, meeting rooms, salon and a snack bar. A five-story parking garage and Trump International management offices will be below the recreation deck.

Once the level is completed, the 620-foot tower will begin to take shape.

Perini, which broke ground on the project last summer, said it expects to complete one floor every six days with a total construction period of 72 weeks. The first residents are expected to move into Trump International in early 2008.

Trump said his Las Vegas project has not been beset by factors that have hampered other proposed Las Vegas high-rise developments, mainly the growing cost of construction. Trump said he locked in 90 percent of his construction costs when he first announced plans for the development in 2004.

"Las Vegas has become a very expensive place to build," Trump said. "As soon as I finished my plans, I bought my construction. The elevated construction costs have hurt a lot people here."

Perini Building is also the general contractor on MGM Mirage's $7 billion Project CityCenter and the $1.8 billion Cosmopolitan. Trump, he said, had perfect timing for building his tower.

"He was out of the blocks first, which was important because his price was guaranteed," Rizzo said. "He'd done extremely well."

Rising fuel costs have driven up the price of building materials throughout the country, said Trump, who is developing residential projects in New York City and West Palm Beach, Fla., a 92-story tower in Chicago and a golf course and residential development outside Los Angeles.

"Concrete and steel prices have gone through the roof," Trump said. "A large part of construction is dictated by fuel costs. Construction costs have got to be the highest I've seen in years."

Labor issues, Trump said, haven't been a factor in construction of Trump International. A recent study by Deutsche Bank found that lack of qualified labor in Las Vegas is threatening the development of new casinos and high-rise condominiums.

"The advantage I have is that people want to work for me," Trump said. "I've had a good relationship with the contractors in Las Vegas."

Before groundbreaking, Trump International had been 100 percent reserved. The Trump sales force has been converting the reservations into actual sales for the studio, one-, two- and three bedroom condominiums that range in size from 635 square feet to 3,530 square feet.

As of early this week, about 100 units were still available.

"Perspective buyers drop out for various reasons, but we have a solid list of people who are interested in the building," said Jack Christie, vice president of sales and marketing for Trump International. "People are cautious, but there's a lot of demand to be part of the Trump project."

As reservations have fallen through, prices have gone up, about 15 percent overall. Today, the smallest unit sells for $755,000, Christie said. The failures of competitors have also helped the project, he added.

Trump International will allow its condominium owners to lease their units as hotel rooms, and Christie said there not many condo-hotels coming to fruition.

"There are probably only 5,800 condo-hotel units that are going to be built, so that has helped our sales," Christie said.

Trump said he was the first developer in Las Vegas to sell residential units for $1,000 a square foot. He said the prices have risen to now average $1,200 a square foot.

Trump is planning an identical second tower for the Trump International site, but by the time he's ready to release the building for sales -- possibly by year's end -- prices could increase 30 percent to 35 percent per unit.

"Where I come from (New York), prices are around $4,000 a square foot on Park Avenue, so it's all relative," Trump said, adding that rising construction costs will impact the overall price tag of the second tower.

The only question surrounding the project is the fate of neighboring New Frontier. Trump said he expects owner Phil Ruffin to shortly announce a redevelopment for the hotel-casino.



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what ever happened to Sandhurst? I haven't heard much about the project, did it get lost in the dust so to speak??
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Hi guys and welcome to all of the new folks. It's been a while since I've posted, but I'm always lurking here.

I've been busy (slowly but surely) working on a cosmetic makeover of vegastodayandtomorrow.com

I had a chat with the Sandhurst folks. They told me that one of their investors backed out due to an article in the Wall Street Journal that panned the Las Vegas condo market. They are working with another investor and things are looking positive.

Damn the press, I hate uninformed, ignorant reporters. A few bad words can spoil the future of a city.

Sandhurst is an important key to the development of downtown. It is a beautiful project in a prime location. Let's hope this investor reads this thread.
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Hi guys and welcome to all of the new folks. It's been a while since I've posted, but I'm always lurking here.

I've been busy (slowly but surely) working on a cosmetic makeover of vegastodayandtomorrow.com

I had a chat with the Sandhurst folks. They told me that one of their investors backed out due to an article in the Wall Street Journal that panned the Las Vegas condo market. They are working with another investor and things are looking positive.

Damn the press, I hate uninformed, ignorant reporters. A few bad words can spoil the future of a city.

Sandhurst is an important key to the development of downtown. It is a beautiful project in a prime location. Let's hope this investor reads this thread.

Thanks for the info Jazfingr! I hope all works out for Sandhurst, I really am looking forward to seeing it going skyward..

The site looks great, good updates, and the maps look good too. Keep up the good work!

As I was looking on Vegastodayandtomorrow, I was looking at the new PCC renderings, and so I decided to go to the websites of the architects. I noticed something when I was going through the website of Rafael Viñoly and was looking at some of the renderings of PCC, I noticed a couple of things, first the Oval Pedestrian bridge does not meet the corners of the Harmon realignment to the eastern intersection of Harmon.. I wonder if they will realign the eastern intersection of Harmon and LVB, or leave it be?? I thought that was interesting.. I noticed the oval "on ramp, off ramp" on what looks like an 8 lane SuperArterial Harmon Ave. I also noticed that the main tower had 2 distinct designs shown in the rendering, and that all the renderings appear to be much taller than the Cosmo being built next door.. From what I read in the County Commission website, the building has a maximum height of 600 feet, while Cosmo has a maximum height of 605 feet.. I thought that was interesting as well.. Plus with the curved building that Vinoly is designing I thought the Spiral tower was to be next to it, yet I dont see where there is room for the spiral tower, nor is it included in the rendering, however the zoning information on the County website includes it as part of the plan.. It seems James KM Cheng is hard to track down online, so i couldn't find info on the twisting tower design.. Perhaps because the Agenda is about a month old, dated 02/09/06, these renderings reflect changes, or perhaps the other way around, they do NOT reflect changes made to the building height. Cesar Pelli's Towers are both the same height (600 ft) according to the Agenda the north tower is 43 floors while the south tower is 48 floors. Which is confusing to me if they are both the same height, so perhaps there are some open spaces above the main floors. I hope to see a combined rendering of the entire project sometime with the final design to provide some clarity.. Construction on the first phase of the project should take place in April or May, as the Boardwalk is prepared for demolition in 9 days.

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Allure Tower 1 is on schedule

Vertical construction is well under way on Tower I of Allure Las Vegas and it's right on schedule, officials said.

The luxury high-rise has already grown six stories and when completed, the two 41 story towers that comprise Allure will offer 900 residential high rise units. Allure Las Vegas Tower II residences are also currently for sale and with the city-wide high-rise condo supply diminishing, they are proving to be quite a value.

"In a headline grabbing market like Las Vegas, being under construction means a lot," said Bea Goodwin, vice president of sales and marketing for International Sales Group. "You hear so much about the few projects that are announced but don't move forward and so little about those that are thriving and actually being built. I'm proud to announce that Allure is standing and growing tall."

Maintaining a 25-month overall construction schedule, the concrete structure is complete through the sixth floor. Once the seventh floor is poured, construction will accelerate to pouring a floor per week. When finished, Tower I will have 428 units comprised of studios, one, two and three bedroom residences, as well as tower suites and extraordinary penthouses. Mirroring the success of Tower I, Tower II will have 472 units with 14 distinct open floor plans being offered ranging in size from 669 to 4,218 square feet.

Every carefully planned Allure residence will have exceptional designer ready appointments and finishes. Impressive floor to ceiling windows and spacious balconies will allow for sweeping views of The Strip, the valley's breathtaking mountain ranges and the city lights of Downtown Las Vegas. Hands down, Allure offers the best views in Las Vegas.

Each home will provide an atmosphere of personal luxury with exceptional amenities and superbly executed finishes, such as stainless steel GE Profile appliances, granite counters, European style cabinetry, Italian tile floors and lush landscaping with an expansive pool deck surrounded by private exclusive cabanas equipped with Wi-Fi.

There also is something new and delightfully out of the ordinary at Allure. Unique to this community, Allure Now is Allure's new and very exciting Five-Star Concierge service. Allure Now will allow Allure purchasers to enjoy the Las Vegas lifestyle while their residence is still being built. Preparations are being finalized for the introduction of this unique concierge service exclusively available to buyers at the time of their Allure purchase.

Additional Allure Five-Star services include valet, storage spaces, 24 hour doorman, club room with catering kitchen, business center with Wi-Fi, media room and conference facilities, a private wine cellar and professional on-site management. Additionally, Allure offers peace of mind to homeowners as a gated community with enclosed and secure parking.

"Today's Las Vegas high-rise shoppers are increasingly savvy; they recognize that within this shrinking market Allure offers quality, value and a strategic location as well as a credible developer with a demonstrated track record," said Goodwin.

Strategically located on Sahara Avenue just west of the famed Strip, Allure is poised to become known as a premiere residential landmark in Las Vegas and will offer an unparalleled choice for homebuyers seeking an exciting and accessible lifestyle.

Allure is a project of Fifield Companies of Chicago, one of the nation's top developers and builders of high rise luxury towers. Established in 1977, Fifield has earned a reputation for creating superb living environments in some of the country's most renowned locations.
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I'm pretty sure this is the W, I didn't know it would have so many condo units!

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I'm pretty sure this is the W, I didn't know it would have so many condo units!

http://dsnet.co.clark.nv.us/dsnetapp...a/P0170163.htm
And...

1. Permit a 50 story, 1,000 room resort hotel/casino.

2. Permit a 50 story, 3,000 unit resort condominium tower.

None of the designs show either tower being significantly larger than the other, width-wise, so I don't know how they plan on isolating all of the condo units into one tower.

Some info was circulating saying that there might be only 2,000 units total and only 500 condo/hotel out of those, but I guess not. No way this gets built for $1.7 billion, but I guess if they sell $2 billion worth of condos it doesn't matter.
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I have been following the new major projects in the Las Vegas Valley very closely and have compiled an extensive list. Here it is. All info I have got off of the internet, no confidential info is on here to my knowledge. Please edit it with any info you all have, especially names, locations, opening dates, and status, architects, developers, interior designers, etc. Thanks

Purple = Status Unknown
Blue = Proposed
Orange = Under Construction
Green = Completed
Red = Dead

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GeorgeLV - 3883 Hughes is under construction.
LMich - And Majestic isn't dead, right?
Ho-Dog - ^ I believe it's still active, they did change the design.
SpeedyFarrar - Town Center is under construction, and I'm not sure if the Hard Rock Residences is totally dead yet, but it's pretty close, I'd catagorize it as Unknown
ScottG - Molasky...steal beams are goin all over the site- its goin up fast!

Name - Location - Opening - Status

3883 Hughes Center
4275 Dean Martin - 4275 Dean Martin
601 Freemont Street
Aliante Station
Allure - LVBLVD/ Sahara - 2007
Aqua Blue - Flamingo/ Koval
Blu Las Vegas
Boca Raton - LVBLVD south - 2009
Bourbon Street Site - LVBLVD/Flamingo
Boyd Development - Centennial/Lamb
Castaways Site - BLDR HWY
Chinatown
Cielo Vista - Washington/ Veterans - Mid '07
City By the Bay Resort
City Center - LVBLVD/ Harmon - 2009 - BG mid 06
Club Renaissance - Casino Cntr./ Bonneville - 2007
Conrad
Cosmopolitan - LVBLVD / Bellagio - 2008
Crescent - Wells Fargo Center
Curve - 215/Durango
Domus Las Vegas
DRH Condos - Flamingo/Koval
Durango Station
Dynasty Tower
Echelon Place - Stardust
Eighty on Fourth
Ellis Island - Flamingo / Koval
Encore @ Wynn
Evolution
Flatiron - LVBLVD/Main
Fontainebleau - LVBLVD/Riviera - 2008 - Questionable
French Quarter Lofts
Gateway - Charleston/LVBLVD
Golden Nugget Expansion
Grand View
Hard Rock Residences
Highland/Polaris - Highland/Polaris
Holsom Lofts - Charleston/I15
HUE Lofts - Charleston/ Casino Ctr. - 2007 - Questionable
Icon - LVBLVD/ Conv. Cntr.
Inspirada
Ivana Tower - Sahara/LVBLVD
Juhl Lofts - Downtown - 2007 - Questionable
Kennedy Towers
Key Largo Condos - Paradise/ Flamingo
Kimberly Place
Krystle Sands - LVBLVD/ Riviera
Las Ramblas - Harmon/ Paradise - 2008 - Questionable
Las Vegas & Garces
Las Vegas Cay Club
Las Vegas Central - Convention Center - 2007 - Questionable
Liberty Tower - LVBLVD/ St. Louis - (Could be revived as 'Monument')
Live/Work Las Vegas
Loft 5 - LVBLVD/ Pebble - Spring '06
London Hotel Casino - LVBLVD
Majestic - LVBLVD/ Conv. Cntr.
Manhattan - LVBLVD/Serene - Late '06
Metropolis - DI/ Paradise - 2005
MGM Residences - MGM
Molasky Corporate Center
New Frontier
Newport Lofts - Casino Cntr./Hoover - Late '06
One - LVBLVD/ Shelbourne
Onyx Condos - Tropicana/Koval
Palazzo - Venetian - Mid 2007
Palms Place - Palms - Late '07
Panorama Towers - Industrial/ Harmon - Early 06
Paradise Bay Resort
Park Avenue - LVBLVD/Pebble
Pinnacle Towers - Tropicana/ Decatur - Late '08
Platinum - LVBLVD/ Flamingo - June '06
Renzi Towers - 3rd/California
Royal Resort
Sandhurst - Charleston/Grand Cntrl. - 2008 - Questionable
Sky - LVBLVD/ Circus Circus - Late '06
SoHo Lofts - 4th/Hoover - Jan. '06
South Beach Hotel Casino - LVBLVD/Dean Martin (Golden Palm site)
Southern Highlands Resort
Spanish View Towers - 215/ Buffalo - Mid '06
SprMtn/Polaris - SprMtn/Polaris
Stanhi - Downtown - 2008
Streamline Tower - LVBLVD/ Ogden - Early '07
Sunset/Durango - Sunset/Durango
The Curve - Durango/ 215 - 2007 - Questionable
The Flatiron
Town Center - LVBLVD/215
Trophy Towers - Speedway - BG 2007
Tropical Bay Resort
Tropicana Hotel Site - Trop/LVBLVD
Trump Towers - LVBLVD/ Spr. Mtn. - Mid '07
Twain/Polaris - Twain/Polaris
Tycoon Resort Casino
Ultimate Sports Resort - LVBLVD North(near speedway)
Vegas 888
Vegas Grand - Flamingo/ Swenson - Questionable
Versailles Condominiums
Voyager - LVBLVD/Westward Ho - Questionable
W Hotel - Flamingo/Koval - Questionable
Wall Street Towers
Westgate/Planet Hollywood - Aladdin - 2007
Wild Wild West Site - Trop/Polaris

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