HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > General Development

About The Ads  This week the ad company used in the forum will be monitoring activity and doing some tests to identify any problems which users may be experiencing. If at any time this week you get pop-ups, redirects, etc. as a result of ads please let us know by sending an email to forum@skyscraperpage.com or post in the ads complaint thread. Thank you for your participation.


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #13141  
Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 4:21 PM
City Wide City Wide is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,266
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nova08 View Post
Do I think it would be nice public transit addition...yes. I am all for expanding our mass transit system.

But I look at the 15,000 people who work in the NY with basically one road in/out and a second that is a bit circuitous. And there are only plans to grow the NY.

I think the next Ice Age is more likely than Septa undertaking two major mass transit projects at the same time (let alone three with the KOP extension).
KOP, very doubtful. What's the other project you're referring to?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13142  
Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 5:31 PM
iheartphilly's Avatar
iheartphilly iheartphilly is offline
Philly Rising Up!
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: motherEarth
Posts: 2,260
Couple projects ongoing:
Penn innovation lab by iheartphilly-iheartphilly, on Flickr

Philly live casino by iheartphilly-iheartphilly, on Flickr
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13143  
Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 5:33 PM
Nova08 Nova08 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 380
Quote:
Originally Posted by City Wide View Post
KOP, very doubtful. What's the other project you're referring to?
Sorry I just meant something related to the city branch
  1. KOP Extension
  2. BSL NY Extension
  3. Some type of extension using the city branch ditch
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13144  
Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 5:52 PM
mcgrath618's Avatar
mcgrath618 mcgrath618 is online now
Exhausted Drexel Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: University City, Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,535
The KOP Spur is happening happening. They’ve contracted an engineering firm which is a huge step.
__________________
Philadelphia Transportation Thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=164129
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13145  
Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 6:08 PM
iheartphilly's Avatar
iheartphilly iheartphilly is offline
Philly Rising Up!
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: motherEarth
Posts: 2,260
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgrath618 View Post
The KOP Spur is happening happening. They’ve contracted an engineering firm which is a huge step.
I think it's all part of the planning and design process stage at this point. For Septa to come up with 1-1.2 billion to have the project materialize, I think that's what we are all doubting.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13146  
Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 6:19 PM
cardeza cardeza is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 366
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgrath618 View Post
The KOP Spur is happening happening. They’ve contracted an engineering firm which is a huge step.
That does not mean its advancing. Any project of that size is dependent on huge federal contribution. None of that has been arranged yet.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13147  
Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 6:21 PM
Urbanthusiat's Avatar
Urbanthusiat Urbanthusiat is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: South Philly
Posts: 1,000
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardeza View Post
That does not mean its advancing. Any project of that size is dependent on huge federal contribution. None of that has been arranged yet.
The government only funds shovel-ready projects. So Septa has to do some legwork ahead of time to get it shovel-ready in order to get funds. So I wouldn't necessarily expect it to have federal funding at this point, but perhaps in the future once the engineering is complete.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13148  
Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 7:05 PM
iheartphilly's Avatar
iheartphilly iheartphilly is offline
Philly Rising Up!
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: motherEarth
Posts: 2,260
Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartphilly View Post
ok, thanks for clarifying. you guys are on the beat! lots of residential activity in that area despite it feeling like a industrial zone with all the stores that deal with the construction and building trades.
Stacking them up...on 25th and Washington Ave.

Untitled by iheartphilly-iheartphilly, on Flickr

Untitled by iheartphilly-iheartphilly, on Flickr
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13149  
Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 10:20 PM
City Wide City Wide is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,266
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardeza View Post
That does not mean its advancing. Any project of that size is dependent on huge federal contribution. None of that has been arranged yet.
Isn't federal dollars given out more or less as matching money these days? I think its noteworthy that none of the local gov'ts out in the KOP area have shown much interest in this extension, its all come from business and transit groups.

Also remember that SEPTA loves to spend other peoples cash on planning (remember the multi-year plans for a rail link to Reading, etc.) but actually building anything is completely different. Theres something to be said for their thinking that unless a extension is self supporting or underwritten by other parties, having SEPTA spend money on additional operating costs just takes money away from their existing system.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13150  
Old Posted Nov 16, 2019, 4:56 PM
DudeGuy's Avatar
DudeGuy DudeGuy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Center City Philadelphia
Posts: 89
This may be an unpopular opinion on this forum, but I really wish SEPTA would scrap any plans to build a NHSL extension to King of Prussia. I don't see a scenario in which this whole effort doesn't turn out to be a boondoggle. As someone who has spent a good amount of time in Tyson's Corner, VA (a pretty close approximation to KoP), it's incredibly difficult to turn an auto-oriented location into one that is conducive to taking public transit and walking. Tysons, to be blunt, really sucks as a pedestrian. Unless the landlords in KoP are planning on reorienting their developments to be pedestrian friendly (i.e. unfriendly to autos), this whole project is going to be underutilized.

The money spent on this project would be far better utilized expanding transit in the city, such as extending express BSL service to South Philadelphia, burying the trolleys along Lancaster Avenue, creating a Ridge-avenue spur of the BSL, etc.

Transit and land use are the same issue, and KoP is auto-oriented from top to bottom. An extension of a seldom used high speed trolley isn't going to change that.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13151  
Old Posted Nov 16, 2019, 5:40 PM
iheartphilly's Avatar
iheartphilly iheartphilly is offline
Philly Rising Up!
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: motherEarth
Posts: 2,260
^
KOP is auto-oriented, but a very strong case has been made for the NHSL to KOP for that and other reasons. KOP has grown leaps and bounds, with the the KOP mall, town center and all the recent residential and commercial developments. I76 to and from KOP is in gridlock. Lots of people reverse commute from the city to KOP, lots of people work at the mall from the city, and vice versa. I think there's a real benefit to building out the NHSL. I hope they find federal and state funding to make this happen. It will be a giant lift from local, state, federal folks and Septa and everyone behind the scene.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13152  
Old Posted Nov 16, 2019, 6:16 PM
Skintreesnail Skintreesnail is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 246
I'm not against the kop nhsl spur, but I think the billion dollar price tag would have been better spent extending the regional rail out to at least Phoenixville (eventually out to reading) with a stop in the kop area. A lot of those towns are pedestrian friendly with the old stations still in place. It would take a lot to change kop into something walkable. They are making some changes like town center, but a lot of business based there is kind of sprawled, the roads are massive and sidewalks missing. That would need to change for folks to be able to depend on the nhsl for commuting to work.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13153  
Old Posted Nov 16, 2019, 8:19 PM
mcgrath618's Avatar
mcgrath618 mcgrath618 is online now
Exhausted Drexel Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: University City, Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,535
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skintreesnail View Post
I'm not against the kop nhsl spur, but I think the billion dollar price tag would have been better spent extending the regional rail out to at least Phoenixville (eventually out to reading) with a stop in the kop area. A lot of those towns are pedestrian friendly with the old stations still in place. It would take a lot to change kop into something walkable. They are making some changes like town center, but a lot of business based there is kind of sprawled, the roads are massive and sidewalks missing. That would need to change for folks to be able to depend on the nhsl for commuting to work.
A Manayunk/Norristown extension to Phoenixville is happening in tandem with the NHSL extension.
__________________
Philadelphia Transportation Thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=164129
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13154  
Old Posted Yesterday, 3:32 PM
EastSideHBG's Avatar
EastSideHBG EastSideHBG is offline
Me?!?
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Philadelphia Metro (Norristown, PA)
Posts: 10,185
Quote:
Originally Posted by DudeGuy View Post
This may be an unpopular opinion on this forum, but I really wish SEPTA would scrap any plans to build a NHSL extension to King of Prussia. I don't see a scenario in which this whole effort doesn't turn out to be a boondoggle. As someone who has spent a good amount of time in Tyson's Corner, VA (a pretty close approximation to KoP), it's incredibly difficult to turn an auto-oriented location into one that is conducive to taking public transit and walking. Tysons, to be blunt, really sucks as a pedestrian. Unless the landlords in KoP are planning on reorienting their developments to be pedestrian friendly (i.e. unfriendly to autos), this whole project is going to be underutilized.

The money spent on this project would be far better utilized expanding transit in the city, such as extending express BSL service to South Philadelphia, burying the trolleys along Lancaster Avenue, creating a Ridge-avenue spur of the BSL, etc.

Transit and land use are the same issue, and KoP is auto-oriented from top to bottom. An extension of a seldom used high speed trolley isn't going to change that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartphilly View Post
^
KOP is auto-oriented, but a very strong case has been made for the NHSL to KOP for that and other reasons. KOP has grown leaps and bounds, with the the KOP mall, town center and all the recent residential and commercial developments. I76 to and from KOP is in gridlock. Lots of people reverse commute from the city to KOP, lots of people work at the mall from the city, and vice versa. I think there's a real benefit to building out the NHSL. I hope they find federal and state funding to make this happen. It will be a giant lift from local, state, federal folks and Septa and everyone behind the scene.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skintreesnail View Post
I'm not against the kop nhsl spur, but I think the billion dollar price tag would have been better spent extending the regional rail out to at least Phoenixville (eventually out to reading) with a stop in the kop area. A lot of those towns are pedestrian friendly with the old stations still in place. It would take a lot to change kop into something walkable. They are making some changes like town center, but a lot of business based there is kind of sprawled, the roads are massive and sidewalks missing. That would need to change for folks to be able to depend on the nhsl for commuting to work.
I have watched KOP grow over the years and I pass the bus stops on 202 frequently, always packed now. With stops around the mall/town center/casino I can't see this rail extension being underutilized or a failure; lots of service jobs and people who need to get to them efficiently. I know that it can be the chicken/egg argument because it's hard to figure out if people drive because they want to or because they have to but in this case I have been seeing more evidence of it being a have to.

I do think that there could be a cheaper alternative, though, and put light rail down the median of 202 or something (I am only half serious because I know the logistics of this can be tough but I don't think this project needs to be that expensive and there may be some cheaper alternatives).
__________________
Right before your eyes you're victimized, guys, that's the world of today, and it ain't civilized...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13155  
Old Posted Yesterday, 8:18 PM
summersm343's Avatar
summersm343 summersm343 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 12,837
King of Prussia really needs rail. It would make more sense to expand Regional Rail to KOP though, rather than the NHSL. Both would actually be awesome.

Biggest transit needs in the Philadelphia area:

1. King of Prussia Rail expansion, with stops at the mall, the town center, the casino, and Valley Forge Park train station

2. Navy Yard Broad Street line expansion

3. A Cultural line expansion in the city branch, from broad street, down along the Parkway, and to the Zoo

4. Regional Rail expansion to West Chester

5. Regional Rail expansion to Phoenixville and Royersford

6. Regional Rail expansion to Newtown and New Hope

7. New Jersey Transit expansion down through Gloucester City, Woodbury and Glassboro/Rowan University.
Reply With Quote
     
     
End
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > General Development
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 2:33 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.