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Old Posted Oct 18, 2008, 2:26 AM
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I am just going to throw this out there...
Roseville should look at Bellvue,Wa to get some ideas of future growth.
What about Bellevue do you think Roseville ought to be emulating?
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Bellvue went through period in the 70's and 80's when 4-5 story office towers seemed to pop up everywhere. This was a horrible use of land, and they had a booming population. Flash forward to Roseville. The population had a boom over the past decade, and 4-5 story offices are popping up along with asphalt parks known as strip malls.
Bellvue is only minutes away from Seattle, and Rosville only minutes from Sacramento. If there is a possibility for Roseville to start pushing for a better general plan and a more dense development, they better jump on it.
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Just say no to suburbs. Keep the density in Sac and let the suburbans waste away in asphalt.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2008, 1:15 AM
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Thunder Valley really coming along... 2 Panos >>>>>



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That parking garage is gonna be HUGE!
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2008, 4:13 PM
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wow... looks like they are using the pre-cast structures by Clark Pacific. Either way it will end up being horrible looking project, just like the rest of these casinos.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2008, 10:42 PM
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This is just the Thunder Valley hotel and parking deck. The casino is already built. Or are they expanding the casino too?
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2008, 10:55 PM
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Bellvue went through period in the 70's and 80's when 4-5 story office towers seemed to pop up everywhere. This was a horrible use of land, and they had a booming population. Flash forward to Roseville. The population had a boom over the past decade, and 4-5 story offices are popping up along with asphalt parks known as strip malls.
Bellvue is only minutes away from Seattle, and Rosville only minutes from Sacramento. If there is a possibility for Roseville to start pushing for a better general plan and a more dense development, they better jump on it.
Downtown Bellevue has a density and concentration of highrises that's unusual in a suburb. I don't know much of the history there but my impression is that Bellevue's rush to go vertical happened after the rest of Bellevue was built out at typical suburban densities. And Bellevue is landlocked, unable to grow via annexation. Roseville doesn't have those land constraints yet and I don't see a drive to go dense and/or vertical in Roseville (other than the casino hotel) until they run out of land.
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Bellvue went through period in the 70's and 80's when 4-5 story office towers seemed to pop up everywhere. This was a horrible use of land, and they had a booming population. Flash forward to Roseville. The population had a boom over the past decade, and 4-5 story offices are popping up along with asphalt parks known as strip malls.
Bellvue is only minutes away from Seattle, and Rosville only minutes from Sacramento. If there is a possibility for Roseville to start pushing for a better general plan and a more dense development, they better jump on it.
I have dealt with the city of Roseville on many business issues, and unfortunately I foresee it not being as dense or as sensible in their development as you wish. Actually, not even close. They "improved" their Old Town Roseville and made it more difficult to walk across Washington Blvd. In an attempt to make it more ped friendly, it became worse in some areas. It also seems incomplete. I think Roseville would need all new leadership to get a development plan. Looking at Bellvue, Wa is good advice, but how about West Sac, now that's a city with good plans and good developments and it has much less wealth than Roseville... Just more intelligent people making better decisions and plans.
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Agreed that Roseville will need new leadership to change its General Plan. West Sac is a great opportunity, and they also have the benefits of being in Yolo rather than Sac County (dealing with general jurisdictions and county revenue).
The general ideas that are out there for West Sac are nice, the only problem that I see is that all of them are segmented. Especially the riverfront development. It is like handing out a studio assignment in college.
Each member of studio gets a lot to design a home on. Every lot is on the same street, but none of the students talk to one another to see what the other is designing. The outcome is a bunch of random designs that don't work as a total entity.
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Looking at Bellvue, Wa is good advice, but how about West Sac, now that's a city with good plans and good developments and it has much less wealth than Roseville... Just more intelligent people making better decisions and plans.
I don't follow the numbers or details but at an intuitive level it seems odd to me that West Sac has been able to build and all that it has, because it's not a very prosperous or unified community. Is it sales tax revenue from Ikea and Super Walmart that makes these projects possible?

I'm glad West Sac voters approved to keep the higher sales tax for trolley financing but I'm surprised they did. The trolley will run through low income areas along Capitol where residents don't usually support sales tax increases. The wealthiest areas of West Sac, near the Sacramento River and in Southport, are the most distant areas from the trolley line and its residents seem least likely to benefit from or use a trolley.
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Any news out of Natomas that's major? Light rail? Commons?

I used to live there a few months ago.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2008, 1:52 AM
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Just after you moved they finished building light rail to the Airport, a new arena opened next to Arco, and Bloomingdale's had their grand opening in Natomas Promenade. You left too soon!

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Old Posted Nov 17, 2008, 9:45 AM
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Okay I do. But this is the truth: the office building under construction at I-5 and West El Camino is coming along.

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It's not a done deal from Drexel University's end--but it sounds like way too sweet a deal to pass up. I mean...here's some free land, hang on to half and you can sell off the other half to fund building your campus...

Based on that, it looks to be a likely and promising possibility for expanded, quality, higher education in the greater Sacramento area.

Placer County approves Drexel campus

Tuesday, December 9, 2008 - 2:07 PM PST
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Placer County supervisors unanimously approved a plan Tuesday for a 600-acre regional university campus just west of Roseville.

The county Board of Supervisors voted 5-0 for the planned campus, which is envisioned for Drexel University. The Philadelphia university is still exploring the possibility of establishing an undergraduate campus on the land that would be donated to the institution.

The county leaders’ decision paves the way for Drexel University to pursue development of a 600-acre campus and sell the remaining property for mixed-use development to fund the initial campus construction.

The land is south of Pleasant Grove Creek between Brewer Road and the western boundary of the city of Roseville.

Drexel envisions a private university serving up to 6,000 students. By some estimates, a campus of that size could pump $150 million to $200 million annually into the local economy. In January, Drexel will begin offering master’s programs at its Sacramento Center for Graduate Studies in downtown Sacramento.

A total of 1,150 acres is being donated by the Angelo K. and Sofia Tsakopoulos family, William and Claudia Cummings, the Wayne Prim family and their partners. They first offered the land in 2001 for a new university in the region.

The planned gift would be one of the largest land donations to a private university in California and would dramatically expand higher education options in the region, Drexel representatives said in a news release Tuesday.

“This is an exciting day for Placer County and the entire Greater Sacramento region — a day when the stage has been set for increased higher education opportunities,” Kyriakos Tsakopoulos, who has led the effort on behalf of his family and other donors, said in a news release. “We appreciate the support of the Board of Supervisors and countless others who have worked with us to make this plan a reality.”

“The Greater Sacramento area has long exported students to private universities outside of the region,” he added. “Now we are changing that dynamic by laying the groundwork for a major, private university right here in our community.”

The project could serve as “a catalyst for many wonderful things in the community,” Wayne Prim, a longtime trustee for Sierra Nevada College at Lake Tahoe, said in the release.

Norma Santucci, a Roseville community leader whose late husband, former Placer County Supervisor Bill Santucci, was a longtime proponent of the project, called the day “historic.”

“While our country’s history is filled with examples of universities being created from the generosity of visionaries, it is rare today,” she said. “We are fortunate to have families willing to donate land worth hundreds of millions of dollars to advance higher education.”

Drexel would have five years to accept the land donation and several years after that to establish a campus on the property. Drexel would sell the easternmost portion of the property for mixed-use development and use the proceeds for a university endowment. The current market value of that land is unknown, but before the real estate market tanked, Drexel could have received an estimated $300 million to $400 million with which to fund the campus.

Sierra Club representatives have said they worry that the project would encourage future growth and “leapfrog” development away from other built-up areas.
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Work has stopped out at Thunder Valley. From what I understand, the lender
is having money issues and the tower portion of the casino has been halted.






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Wow, that's one project I wouldn't think would have any problems seeing completion.
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Only in Sacramento (area).
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This will become more common throughout the country as big banks and
lenders hold onto their money more and more.
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