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Now we're talking! And by 2023!?

This is precisely what I've been saying for years; drop the busways (the one to Kanata North is the only one left, fair enough) and build rail as far as possible! I love it!!

Watson has royally pissed me off in the last 3 years, but for my vote, this gives him a big edge.
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Anyone know what this refers to:

"There will be new measures to speed buses in the east along Blair, connecting La Cité into our rail network as well."

La Cité isn't on, or particularly near, Blair.
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I'd add an O-Train stop at Lester, and a synced circulator route using a bus like one of these guys:

running on Lester and Uplands to service the CE Centre and Airport. I think that you'd probably only need a fleet of three of them (two in service and one spare, kinda like the O-Train itself right now) during eight minute frequency periods on the O-Train (and only one in lower-service periods). If something ever happened to shut down another bus, just pull an OC artic into service temporarily. Not necessary, but this could also be Ottawa's first experiment with contracting out a bus route, give OC the chance to bid on it, but you could open it up to VEOLIA and others, too.
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another detail I really want to see: can we forego the ridiculously over-built Tunney's Pasture transfer station? Maybe in conjunction with aiming for Westboro sooner?
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I'd add an O-Train stop at Lester, and a synced circulator route using a bus like one of these guys:

running on Lester and Uplands to service the CE Centre and Airport. I think that you'd probably only need a fleet of three of them (two in service and one spare, kinda like the O-Train itself right now) during eight minute frequency periods on the O-Train (and only one in lower-service periods). If something ever happened to shut down another bus, just pull an OC artic into service temporarily. Not necessary, but this could also be Ottawa's first experiment with contracting out a bus route, give OC the chance to bid on it, but you could open it up to VEOLIA and others, too.

According the Ottawa Citizen article this morning, while there is no plan for a spur to the airport (city says isn’t worth the cost), the airport authority may build a “people-mover” to a nearby station (though that could be just supposation on the part of the journalist).

I was thinking the same thing about a station at Lester, and then have the airport authority partner with the CE Centre and hotels in the area (I think there is only one now but I'm sure more are on the way) for some type of shuttle.
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Nineteen stations part of Watson's new transit plan for Ottawa

By David Reevely, OTTAWA CITIZEN October 9, 2013 12:05 PM


OTTAWA — Hoping to position himself as a transportation visionary before next year’s civic election, Mayor Jim Watson announced revisions to the city’s master plan for transit, roads and cycling Wednesday morning that hopes to extend rail west, south and east by 2023.



The $2.5-billion plan to have light-rail or O-Train service in tendrils extending to Bayshore, Baseline, Leitrim and Place d’Orléans relies on $975 million each in funding from the federal and provincial governments, which Watson said will be part of a package of top-priority requests that also includes money to clean up the Ottawa River and expand social housing.

It also means pushing back other long-planned transportation projects, such as a parkway through Alta Vista that would better connect south Gloucester to downtown by road.

The Wednesday-morning speech was to be followed by a Wednesday-afternoon revelation of the fine details, which were absent in the morning. Watson wanted as much focus as possible to be on what the plan contains, rather than what it doesn’t.

The single biggest element is a $500-million plan to extend light rail east beyond the Greenbelt to Place d’Orléans, skipping a previous plan to first build a separate Transitway line next to Highway 174 that would later be converted to rail.

“We could go slowly and build each segment of the network over a protracted period of time, suffering wasteful and disruptive conversions along the way, or we can move ahead and use public transit to define how we grow,” Watson said. “Leapfrogging,” as he called it, will save money in the long run by building sooner a system we know we’ll need eventually.

Orléans, whose commuters use public transit in much greater proportions than those from any other suburb, is the only community outside the Greenbelt to get light rail anytime soon, in the mayor’s vision — the previous plan was to start contemplating LRT extensions that far in 2031.

Kanata gets an LRT extension as far as Bayshore, and a dedicated Transitway west of that.

Barrhaven gets the LRT line as far as Baseline, hooking into the existing Transitway. That rail line is the one that runs west from Tunney’s Pasture and was the subject of so much controversy last spring, with the city still negotiating with the National Capital Commission over land it needs along the Ottawa River. The plan assumes that’ll be sorted out.

South Gloucester gets an O-Train extension running as far south as Bowesville, with a stop at Leitrim (the plan also includes new stops at South Keys and Gladstone Avenue). There’s no plan for full LRT service in the near future, or for a spur to the airport, which the city says isn’t worth the cost, though the airport authority may build a “people-mover” to a nearby station.

The plan also includes numerous widenings of suburban roads, from Carp Road to Brian Coburn Boulevard, “because realistically most of our trips are in personal vehicles,” Watson said. And the 2014 budget will be the first to include dedicated funding for pedestrian and cycling bridges, starting with one that’s already in the works between Somerset Street East in Sandy Hill and Donald Street on the other side of the Rideau River.

The detailed plan is to be presented at a 3 p.m. joint meeting of city council’s transportation committee and the transit commission. It’s to be followed by about a month of public consultations and be approved by city council by the end of the year.

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Old Posted Oct 9, 2013, 5:46 PM
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Councillor not happy with plans to widen Airport Parkway

By Derek Spalding, OTTAWA CITIZEN October 9, 2013 12:25 PM


Expansion included in transportation master plan

OTTAWA — At least one councillor was disappointed to hear the city plans to widen the Airport Parkway as part of its long-term transportation strategy.

During a much-anticipated speech about the city’s transportation master plan Wednesday morning, Mayor Jim Watson said the parkway expansion is still part of a strategy to improve commuting times to the Ottawa’s southern neighbourhoods.

The larger vision is to extend the O-Train service with five more rail stations, while making several road changes, all of which are designed to decrease commuting times. But widening the Airport Parkway from Brookfield to Hunt Club will only create more traffic congestion closer to the downtown, said Coun. David Chernushenko.

Adding lanes will only increase traffic on the busy road, which bottle necks on Bronson Avenue for those heading into the downtown.

“I don’t want to see the parkway expanded or widened,” he said. “We’ve already got too much traffic going too fast on Bronson Avenue.”

Chernushenko knows there is wide support on council for the widening, which has long been a heated discussion in the city for years.

Chernushenko approves of plans to extend the O-Train service with five new stations at Gladstone, Walkley, South Keys, Leitrim and Bowesville and said adding new capacity for vehicles works counter to the transit plans.

The city’s transportation master plan will be tabled at the transportation committee meeting Wednesday afternoon. According to Watson’s announcement in the morning, the document will address other road changes to service the city’s southern communities, including changes to intersections along Prince of Wales Drive, widening Strandherd Drive and extending the Greenbank Road between Cambrian and Jockvale roads.

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According the Ottawa Citizen article this morning, while there is no plan for a spur to the airport (city says isn’t worth the cost), the airport authority may build a “people-mover” to a nearby station (though that could be just supposation on the part of the journalist).

I was thinking the same thing about a station at Lester, and then have the airport authority partner with the CE Centre and hotels in the area (I think there is only one now but I'm sure more are on the way) for some type of shuttle.
Now you want people to use 3 trains to get downtown compared to one bus today. This will be very ineffective and very unappealing. Sorry, this sounds like one big white elephant with an equally large price tag. Do it right or don't do it at all.

This reminds me of the jigger tram service that once went to the Central Experimental Farm circa 1908-1929. At the end, it was serving like 8 people a day.

Make people transfer too often, and people will use other means of transport.
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Councillor not happy with plans to widen Airport Parkway

By Derek Spalding, OTTAWA CITIZEN October 9, 2013 12:25 PM


Expansion included in transportation master plan

OTTAWA — At least one councillor was disappointed to hear the city plans to widen the Airport Parkway as part of its long-term transportation strategy.

During a much-anticipated speech about the city’s transportation master plan Wednesday morning, Mayor Jim Watson said the parkway expansion is still part of a strategy to improve commuting times to the Ottawa’s southern neighbourhoods.

The larger vision is to extend the O-Train service with five more rail stations, while making several road changes, all of which are designed to decrease commuting times. But widening the Airport Parkway from Brookfield to Hunt Club will only create more traffic congestion closer to the downtown, said Coun. David Chernushenko.

Adding lanes will only increase traffic on the busy road, which bottle necks on Bronson Avenue for those heading into the downtown.

“I don’t want to see the parkway expanded or widened,” he said. “We’ve already got too much traffic going too fast on Bronson Avenue.”

Chernushenko knows there is wide support on council for the widening, which has long been a heated discussion in the city for years.

Chernushenko approves of plans to extend the O-Train service with five new stations at Gladstone, Walkley, South Keys, Leitrim and Bowesville and said adding new capacity for vehicles works counter to the transit plans.

The city’s transportation master plan will be tabled at the transportation committee meeting Wednesday afternoon. According to Watson’s announcement in the morning, the document will address other road changes to service the city’s southern communities, including changes to intersections along Prince of Wales Drive, widening Strandherd Drive and extending the Greenbank Road between Cambrian and Jockvale roads.

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It took this long for this to become an issue? Haha.
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Re: the Airport Parkway, agreed on the widening issue and bottlenecks. It probably should *in itself* be widened, but only if a new downstream terminal is built, say Booth and Rochester couplets to the 417. The traffic should not be forced to funnel onto Bronson.
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A bridge from Donald Street in Vanier to Somerset in Sandy Hill, as well as the opening of the Prince of Wales bridge to Gatineau for cyclists and pedestrians.!!

finally
The future Precious Bike and Pedestrian Bridge That Can Never Ever Be Used For Transit.

They might as well just turn it into a friggin' tree and shrub planter.
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Lots of suburban transit.

But urban transit still sucks. Large swathes of the inner city still dependent on inferious bus service, with no real will to improve it in any way.

This is all still very Suburb Of Itself, Little Ottawa thinking.
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another detail I really want to see: can we forego the ridiculously over-built Tunney's Pasture transfer station? Maybe in conjunction with aiming for Westboro sooner?
Can we forego overbuilding altogether? What's with all the Taj Mahal stations?
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Lots of new road projects (these are only the list of new ones not in the last TMP)
  • Urbanize Klondike Road - March to Sandhill $2.6 mil
  • Country Club Road extension to Jenkinson $2.6 mil
  • Kanata Ave widening 417 to Campeau $7.8 mil
  • Lester widening Airport Parkway to Bank Street $16.8 mil
  • Preston Street extension - Albert to Vimy Place @ Sir John A parkway $13.4 mil
  • Cyrville Road - urbanize Star Top Road to St. Laurent $10.4 mil
  • Blair Road - widen Meadowbrook to Innes $5.4 mil
  • Tremblay Road - widen Pickering Blvd to St. Laurent - $8.0 mil
  • Ottawa 174 - widen 4-6 lanes Jeanne D'Arc to Trim - $30.4 mil
  • Albion Rd - widen to four lanes Leitrim to Lester $11.35 mil
  • Fallowfield - widen to four lanes $2.4 Woodroffe to Prince of Wales $13.0 mil
  • Fisher - widen to four lanes Dynes to Baseline - $4.0 mil
  • Greenbank Extention - Cambrian to old Prince of Wales - $33.5 mil
  • Old Montreal - widen to four lanes Trim to Urban boundary - $18.4 mil
  • Richmond - widen to four lanes Bayshore to Pinecrest - $10.4 mil
  • Cyrville - widen to four lanes St. Laurent to Innes - $21.2 mil
  • Fernbank - widen to four lanes Terry Fox to Stittsville Main - $43.1 mil
  • Riverside - widen to six lanes River Road to Hunt Club - $9.8 mil
  • Belfast - widen to four lanes Coventry to Trembla $4.6 mil
  • Leitrim - new four lane road Bowesville to Albion $11.4 mil
  • Perth St - two to four lanes Shea to Eagleson and village boundary to Queen Charlotte - $7.5 mil
  • Richmond Village by-pass- two lanes McBean to Eagleson $1.8 mil
  • Earl Armstrong - new two lane road Bank to Hawthorne - $8.2 mil
  • Ottawa Rd 174 - Widen to 4 lanes Tim to City limits - $77.1 mil

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How does that split at Lincoln Fields work? If you want to go to Bayshore you have to get off at Lincoln Fields and take another train to the mall?
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Anyone know what this refers to:

"There will be new measures to speed buses in the east along Blair, connecting La Cité into our rail network as well."

La Cité isn't on, or particularly near, Blair.
La Cité is very close to Blair. If you turn right from Ogilvie Rd. near the Future Shop you're there in less than 5 mins.
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Looks like David Chernushenko was premature in opposing the Airport Parkway widening.

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Councillor warms to plans to widen Airport Parkway

By Derek Spalding, OTTAWA CITIZEN October 9, 2013 4:00 PM

OTTAWA — Plans to widen the Airport Parkway are much easier to accept for one councillor now that he realizes the expansion will be dedicated to high-occupancy vehicles and taxis.

Coun. David Chernushenko expressed disappointment Wednesday when he thought the latest update to the city’s transportation master plan would include widening parkway with additional lanes for regular traffic.

The plans for the project were mentioned during a much-anticipated speech that morning from Mayor Jim Watson. Chernushenko has since said he supports widening the road between Brookfield and Hunt Club.

“(The changes) will make taking the bus more attractive,” he said after getting more details.

Adding HOV lanes is part of a larger vision for Ottawa’s southern communities, which also includes extending the O-Train service with five more rail stations, while making several road changes, all of which are designed to decrease commuting times.

Improved transit service and HOV lanes will hopefully reduce traffic on the busy road, which bottle necks on Bronson Avenue for those heading into the downtown.

“Hopefully, people stuck in their cars will look over at buses passing them on the road and say ... maybe there’s a better way,” Chernushenko said.

He also applauds plans to extend the O-Train service with five new stations at Gladstone, Walkley, South Keys, Leitrim and Bowesville.

The city’s transportation master plan will be tabled at the transportation committee meeting Wednesday afternoon. According to Watson’s announcement in the morning, the document will address other road changes to service the city’s southern communities, including changes to intersections along Prince of Wales Drive, widening Strandherd Drive and extending the Greenbank Road between Cambrian and Jockvale roads.

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How does that split at Lincoln Fields work? If you want to go to Bayshore you have to get off at Lincoln Fields and take another train to the mall?
Probably 1/2 the trains will go to Bayshore and the other 1/2 will go to Baseline, alternating back and forth.
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