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Old Posted Nov 13, 2015, 8:55 PM
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If building a super-hospital is the aim why not build onto the current General site?

Was this considered?
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If building a super-hospital is the aim why not build onto the current General site?

Was this considered?
A site close to it was considered however, wouldn't we want our hospitals spread out across the city instead of concentrated in a low density neighborhood?
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Ottawa hospital public consultations set to begin in new year

Meghan Hurley, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: November 25, 2015 | Last Updated: November 25, 2015 7:10 PM EST


The Ottawa Hospital is one step closer to moving to the Experimental Farm now that public consultations are set to begin in the new year.

Cameron Love, The Ottawa Hospital’s executive vice-president and chief operating officer, said the consultation will allow the community to voice concerns and provide feedback on the new location, the design, and how to integrate the new campus into the community and the experimental farm.

“We’re now in a position where we can start to organize ourselves to initiative a comprehensive and transparent community consultation process to get the community’s feedback, their input, on how best to organize the new civic campus on that land,” Love said.

The hospital is finalizing a request for proposals for a firm to carry out the community consultation. Love said a firm will likely be selected in the next three to four weeks, with consultations beginning in the first few months of 2016.

Love said the endorsement by the Champlain Local Health Integration Network (LHIN) of the plan to develop a new Civic campus has allowed the hospital to move forward with the consultation.

The development of a campus on the Experimental Farm land has been met with opposition by scientists around the world, while many Ottawa residents support a new hospital on what they say looks just like any other farmer’s field.

Love said 12 possible locations were evaluated based on a dozen criteria, including rapid access to care based on the proximity of the hospital to the centre of the city and public transportation.

“We identified the location of what is the best location from the perspective of health care within the community, particularly for the region’s only trauma centre,” Love said.

The most suitable location was across the street from the current campus, which would take up 60 acres or 5.7 per cent of the Experimental Farm land at Carling Avenue where Fisher, Parkdale and Holland avenues meet. The new campus would take up 15 per cent of research lands, researchers say.

An engineering assessment of the current Civic campus — which opened on Carling Avenue in 1924 — revealed that re-building on the existing site would take 20 years longer and would cost $1 billion more, the hospital says.

As a result, the hospital has been planning for years to build a new super-hospital.

With files from Elizabeth Payne

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Old Posted Nov 26, 2015, 12:16 PM
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The development of a campus on the Experimental Farm land has been met with opposition by scientists around the world, while many Ottawa residents support a new hospital on what they say looks just like any other farmer’s field.
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It's an insult to the intelligence of Ottawaians to imply that local residents are not opposed to this location.
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The development of a campus on the Experimental Farm land has been met with opposition by scientists around the world, while many Ottawa residents support a new hospital on what they say looks just like any other farmer’s field.
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It's an insult to the intelligence of Ottawaians to imply that local residents are not opposed to this location.
I would suggest that there are many, including myself, who are not opposed to this location. There is indeed opposition, but I don't get the impression that it's particularly broad-based or strong.
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I don't think it is be best location for a hospital, but people on the west side would scream bloody murder if it were consolidated at the general campus, people in the city centre would scream bloody murder if it were relocated to Nepean, people in the Glebe would scream bloody murder if there were ambulances and helicopters on the other side of the farm, everyone would scream bloody murder if the province expropriated a sufficiently large side that was central and on the west side.

They've been building on the experimental farm for the entire length of its existence. The dominion observatory, the former ag HQ, the current ag HQ, the various government buildings along the south side of carling, the Fletcher wildlife garden, the apartment buildings on Fisher, the NCC parkway and pathway, the central park neighbourhood. So now, in 2015 everything is sacred and has to be preserved exactly as it is until the end of time?
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This particular hospital move was cooked-up by the anti-science Conservatives, remember. Now that that situation has changed, this location may yet be reevaluated.
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This particular hospital move was cooked-up by the anti-science Conservatives, remember. Now that that situation has changed, this location may yet be reevaluated.
I think that it will definitely be re-evaluated, but I'm not sure that the Conservatives got this one entirely wrong. The exact location, perhaps, but that general area is definitely the best option.

I think that the opposition to the choice would be much more muted if it means that the hospital has to move out of the central area.
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As has been suggested here previously.. what about moving it eastward to the location of the former Sir John Carling building? Seems like less fields to dig up and closer to the OTrain for starters... Is there some major reason to prevent that location from being (re)considered?
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2015, 8:53 PM
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Yes, the area once occupied by the Sir John Carling Building is too small by itself. In order to get close to the requested 60 acres (which is a ridiculously large request), the area down the hill (the Queen Juliana Temporary Park) would need to be included. Since the NCC was the one brokering the land deal, it was not willing to give up the land under the temporary park because that is NCC land, and the NCC is counting on developing that land. If the future hospital land could be stolen from Ag Can, then the NCC gets to keep their future wind-fall. Of course, that, maybe, is just how it looks to me.

I agree that the hospital should remain in a central location, but I do not agree with the chosen location. I think that the Sir John Carling Building site plus the Queen Juliana Temporary Park would make for a much more striking location. And, as pointed out, it would be in proximity to the Trillium Line, and accessible from Prince of Wales Drive, Queen Elizabeth Drive, Carling Avenue, and Preston Street.

Sure, the farm already has buildings on its land, but those locations were chosen to be away from the scientific realm; they are not on top of active experiments. That is one of the reasons that the old Sir John Carling Building site makes good sense; because it is away from the active portion of the farm.
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Do they need 60 acres? The new 2.5 million square foot superhospital in Montreal is 43 acres and only uses 2/3rds of the capacity of the site. I thought the Civic was looking for around 2 million sq feet.
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They dont want it to be super tall and want to have plenty of space to have parks and walking pathways to soothe patients.
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The farm itself is greenspace that can soothe patients.
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The farm itself is greenspace that can soothe patients.
Studies find that even just looking at nature is sufficient, that one don't even need to walk through it to get the cognitive benefits from nature. If the Civic Hospital cared about providing greenspace to patients, they wouldn't keep bulldozing the greenspace on their campus to build more parking. That's what they'll likely do with the 60 acres.
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Studies find that even just looking at nature is sufficient, that one don't even need to walk through it to get the cognitive benefits from nature. If the Civic Hospital cared about providing greenspace to patients, they wouldn't keep bulldozing the greenspace on their campus to build more parking. That's what they'll likely do with the 60 acres.
Call me the ultimate cynic but why would they want to be next to rapid transit? Parking is a major source of revenue. They don't want people using transit. Another reason not to build rapid transit on Carling Avenue. With a bigger tract of land, we can have lots more parking and therefore lots more parking revenue.
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Call me the ultimate cynic but why would they want to be next to rapid transit? Parking is a major source of revenue. They don't want people using transit. Another reason not to build rapid transit on Carling Avenue. With a bigger tract of land, we can have lots more parking and therefore lots more parking revenue.
Might be too cynical. Also, parking could be gradually turned into buildings, especially if rapid transit does eventually get to Carling. For the Ottawa Hospital budget, parking accounted for about 12m$ in 2015, after costs. That's a drop in the bucket compared to their billion dollar revenue, which can probably be made up with a lower rate of road fatalities due to more use of mass transit
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Champlain LHIN endorses Civic hospital plan
Public consultation on controversial plan to take place in new year

By Steph Willems
Ottawa West News, Dec 01, 2015


A year after the federal government transferred a portion of Experimental Farm to the National Capital Commission for a future expansion of the Ottawa Hospital’s Civic Campus, a provincial health body has given the plan its approval.

On Nov. 25, the Champlain Local Health Integration Network – which co-ordinates health care in eastern Ontario – approved the hospital’s pre-capital submission plan for the future development of a new Civic campus on the south side of Carling Avenue, across from its present location.

The land transfer of Nov. 2014 came as a shock to nearby residents and proponents of the Experimental Farm.

In total, 24 hectares, or 5.7 per cent of the total land area of the farm, was transferred from Agriculture Canada to the NCC for a future lease to the hospital. The land is located on the northwest portion of the farm, abutting Carling Avenue and Fisher Avenue, north of the scenic driveway.

The hospital had long-standing plans to build a new campus, having outgrown its existing and aging space.

According to the LHIN, now that this approval has been given, public consultations on the plan can begin – meetings expected early in the new year.

“Our goal is to ensure that the citizens of Ottawa continue to receive the best health care possible for generations to come,” Dr. Jack Kitts, president and CEO of the Ottawa Hospital, said in a media release.

“I look forward to our community’s input and insight into how their hospital will integrate into the fabric of the neighbourhood and the city.”

The Ottawa Hospital states that the hospital, working in collaboration with the NCC, will seek input “on design vision, guidelines and principles to understand what is most important to our community and stakeholders when integrating a new hospital into the community.”

The information received will guide the planning process for the years ahead, they said.


LONG-TERM PLAN

During an initial community meeting following the land transfer, there was much confusion as to what the deal meant, as well as the process and timeline attached.

Hospital officials assured that any actual development would be years down the road, given that it was part of a long-term strategic plan.

Some residents expressed distrust of the motives behind the transfer, which was accomplished by the then-Conservative federal government. One resident opined that the hospital deal was a way for then-MP John Baird (Ottawa West-Nepean) to “punish” the neighbourhood.

Others supported the plan, as they liked having access to a nearby hospital.

In deciding on the land across Carling, the hospital looked at alternate sites contained within its master plan – a document created after a 2007 planning initiative. Twelve sites were looked at and ultimately rejected based on a list of criteria that included rapid access to care, public transportation and proximity to downtown.

The Civic Campus contains the Ottawa Hospital’s trauma centre, making its proximity to Highway 417 – and a large portion of the urban population of Ottawa –a key asset.

Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper said the plan “keeps the hospital in the urban area,” something he said he was eager to see.

“There’s going to be discussions between the hospital and city as to what form (the consultations) could take,” he said.

“It’s a major facility relocation that will have wide impacts in our ward and (River Coun.) Riley Brockington’s ward. Community consultation will be critical – these can’t be closed door meetings … I’m going to make sure they get feedback from residents.”

With any construction of a new Civic campus years down the road, Leiper said he is interested to see what the project would mean for “desirability of advancing a spur line of LRT down Carling Avenue.”

A spur line exists as a conceptual addition to the second phase of the city’s LRT system, though the possibility has gotten little mention given the scope of the overall project.

“Depending on the function of the new facility, or whether there’s an increase in staff … we need to revisit some of our plans for rapid transit down Carling Avenue,” he said.

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/n...hospital-plan/
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2015, 11:03 AM
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Ahhh! Where is Leiper's logic? New long term plans for building locations should fit with EXISTING plans for mass public transportation, not the other way around.
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The Carling line is in the existing Transportation Master Plan.
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The Carling line is in the existing Transportation Master Plan.
It sure is. Not until after 2031 though. I believe it is lower on the priority list than twinning the Trillium Line. I could be mistaken though.
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