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Originally Posted by Changing City
Unless someone here has inside information on any negotiations between the City and Concord Pacific, we don't know anything about a possible deal on their NEFC plans. (Anybody who actually knows what's going on probably won't be sharing it here, either). Concord submitted a rezoning in 2017, then put it on hold and effectively withdrew it.
More recently they've negotiated for several years on the six non-market sites that aren't part of NEFC, but elsewhere in False Creek North. That resulted in a cash payment of $110 million "that could be used or allocated to fund the new street network planned for Northeast False Creek". There's also already a CAC from the developers of the Plaza of Nations, and an offer from the Province to consider funding the new roads.
No doubt there will be a report to Council with an update on the situation, but if negotiations are already happening with Concord over their development (which will be expected to have more non-market housing) that would be 'in camera' and not reported until a deal has been agreed, just as happened with the other six sites.
Aquilini's third tower is approved - they could build it whenever they choose, (although it could be waiting on the Georgia pedestrian link). There's no additional CAC associated with it. Pavco's tower could be built - it's rental, and there's no CAC, so they're not relevant either. As you note, there's no intention of extending development further east into Strathcona, (there are two new houses being built on the blocks you coloured orange). There's also no CAC cash anticipated from the one block that in intended to be a Land Trust in association with the Hogan's Alley Society, that would have non-market housing as its contribution to public benefits.
The park can't be changed (at least not made smaller), or developed on, as it has extremely toxic soils which are best left undisturbed, just as Andy Livingstone and David Lam Parks were built on contaminated sites. It's intended that other toxic soil associated with development should also be located there, before it's capped and the park developed. There's a legal agreement with the Province that says it has to happen that way, and there's no way it would be changed.
Your map is inaccurate, in that the City of Vancouver own both parcels of land east of Carrall and north of Pacific.
If there's an earthquake, the viaduct route isn't the problem, as you note, there are alternatives. However, the viaduct would probably fall on top of SkyTrain (which itself is to a higher seismic standard) and that's a more serious liability.
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Then I guess PavCo could hand over their section of the lands Concord if the BC government wanted to subsidize the viaduct removal then.
Same with the Murrin Substation (though this is problematic and difficult (eg. lack of parking availability), you'd want to eventually put the substation underground in some form).
Maybe expand the planned West End Substation to provide for the temporary lost capacity during construction.
That's even less likely to happen than a PavCo handover, though.
That lot (and the Chinatown Parkade) would be good places for a NEFC phase 2, though (along with the eastern 'future Hogan's Alley Expansion').
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https://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfd/librar...916.pdf#page20
Shows the toxic site is actually on the southwest Concord lot, not the east one.
Meaning they're
already dumping waste from one lot to another.
The new map (with more stuff added and a slight redrawing of the Prior St. connector to make it more land-efficient)
There's a light blue lot added indicating where the toxic soil would be dumped instead of at the new park.
This is supposedly 6-10m of toxic soil, or about a condo parking garage's worth, across approximately that area.
That side of Creekside Park isn't as used anyways, and would be redeveloped under the current plans.
Also, keeping Pac. Blvd one-way (aside from the extra space for the 2 lanes of streetcar under a 10-lane option) means that the PavCo lot increases in size from approx. 5500m2 to 8000m2 of land. You could potentially put a pretty big tower there (or even plural- towers) in place of the current plans.
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The map- I know it's not 100% accurate.
I thought there was some kind of deal that Concord was being handed over that parcel after the viaducts went down, but now that I'm trying to find the source for that, I can't find anything...
It would be very strange for the CoV to keep it other than maybe for a single tower for the social housing proposed on that lot.
TBF, the demonstration track section may also go down during an earthquake, since it's designed differently (ie. worse) vs the rest of the Expo Line as well.
Also, TransLink should probably chip in if they're that concerned about viaduct debris falling on the tracks.
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Also, BTW, that document I linked to earlier (and other old documents about Concord Pac. Place) imply Concord was also given the lands between Expo and Pender St. (ie. International Village and Andy Livingstone Park.)
What happened to that? Did Concord ever actually own them, or did they sell it like Plaza of Nations?
It'd be especially weird then that Concord never/isn't bought/buying those lots.
Both Henderson Mall and International Village are underused lots that would benefit a ton from redevelopment- probably more worth it than the insane price they paid for St. Paul's (even accounting for its iffy location.)
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