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bluemartini · #**181** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 2:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Swinefeld

You can do your part right now. Send an eFax to Councilman Clarke at Hallwatch.org and tell him that you support the ACC tower. Click on link below and send a quick message. It will only take a few minutes of your time.

http://www.hallwatch.org/profiles/co...nk/writeletter

Great idea. I'm on it.

volguus zildrohar · #**182** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 2:56 PM**

That will all settle in soon. The design really isn't bad. It's just quite different for this city. That seems to be the new badge of modernity for cities around the world today - the crystalline spire in the middle of town.

giamomj · #**183** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 3:02 PM**

I hope it gets built sooner than later and doesn't change. The main tower reminds me of the glass, very triangular supertall (Bank of Hong Kong? Maybe it's a different bank name...) that I.M. Pei designed (and which was built) in the 90's.

The attached cube-like hotel complex with cut-outs ( which I REALLY like - green and red glass panels and all) reminds me of the silver-glass-sheathed "La Defense" in Paris: http://www.aviewoncities.com/paris/defense.htm. I do think it will help allay complaints from the NIMBYS - somewhat. How tough will it be for Garrett Miller to fight City Hall and get the height restriction changed - anyone actually know?

WE are gonna get a stunning skyline addition out of this.

Amen.

Gia

TheOldMan · #**184** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 3:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Swinefeld

You can do your part right now. Send an eFax to Councilman Clarke at Hallwatch.org and tell him that you support the ACC tower. Click on link below and send a quick message. It will only take a few minutes of your time.

http://www.hallwatch.org/profiles/co...nk/writeletter

Just sent a fax to the Councilman. hopefully he will support this project. im sure he can see the benefits to the city far outweigh any potential concerns. It helps that the developers have ample financing and are also willing to work with the neighborhood to make the building pedestrian friendly and interactive with retail and restaurants.

kraggman · #**185** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 3:39 PM**

These NA's crack me up. They all seem to live in the 1800's. I'd love a cool building like ACC in my backyard. Of course I'm a biased SSP member too.

Represent · #**186** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 3:52 PM**

Wait wait wait wait....I know I don't check SSP regularly anymore but I checked philly.com and saw the article and rushed over here and saw this thread. Am I believing my eyes?!

Ninjawho · #**187** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 4:19 PM**

I just sent a fax into the Councilman as well...

I know this sounds kinda crazy and in reality probably won't happen, but wouldn't it be awesome if somehow the Philly members of SSP galvanized the pro development people to get this thing built. I know if the economics don't work for the ACC, (at this point it seems like all that is cool), no amount of protests or signatures is going to get it built. But if it just comes down to it getting built and the NIMBYs I think we should sock it to'em.

SJPhillyBoy · #**188** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 4:46 PM**

From the Philadelphia Daily News.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news...raper_map.html

Nice...Just Nice!!!

theWatusi · #**189** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 4:53 PM**

^

No BD? Not to mention FT and CS already under construction and will probably be complete before ACC, Im sure I am missing some.
Well at least it finally made the paper...

Ninjawho · #**190** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 4:55 PM**

Except it wouldn't be...

highdensity32 · #**191** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 5:01 PM**

If you count buildings that are under construction at the moment, there are several that are already taller than the ACC proposal:

Burj Dubai - 2,600 ft? at completion
Shanghai World Financial Center - 1,614 ft

And some that are under construction and will be taller:
Chicago Spire - 2,000 ft
Freedom Tower - 1,776 ft

ACC would not be second tallest at completion, not even in the top five.

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Originally Posted by SJPhillyBoy

From the Philadelphia Daily News.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news...raper_map.html

Nice...Just Nice!!!

Ninjawho · #**192** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 5:16 PM**

this is the Daily News we're talking about. They're already 5 days late on the story...I don't think we can expect them to fact check either...

so frustrating...

Swinefeld · #**193** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 5:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by theWatusi

^

No BD? Not to mention FT and CS already under construction and will probably be complete before ACC, Im sure I am missing some.
Well at least it finally made the paper...

Maybe they meant it would the second tallest in the world if it were finished now? Or maybe they're just clueless.

The eFax campaign to Darrell Clarke is going great so far. 15 faxes all strongly in favor of ACC Tower. Keep up the good work.

kraggman · #**194** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 5:51 PM**

Represent......your avatar is hilarious !!!!

skyscraper · #**195** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 5:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Swinefeld

Maybe they meant it would the second tallest in the world if it were finished now? Or maybe they're just clueless.

it would in fact be the second tallest in the world if completed today. people who read the daily fishwrap don't think beyond today, so that's all they can relate to.
It would be irresponsible for inga to chime in about this right now. it's just a proposal, it's not architecture until it is built.

apetrella802 · #**196** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 7:26 PM**

any architectural critic worth their salt can surely review a design, if its only a conceptual design then there is little point in commenting. But from what
I;ve seen the design for ACC, although not probably the final design, is robust enough to warrent comment. I'm not sure if the exterior curtain wall materials are identified in detail. If not I could see holding off until that is defined better since a skyscraper is "all" surface( i.e., a skyscraper with a steel frame and glass curtain wall) and different materials could and would make a great deal of difference.

Ninjawho · #**197** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 8:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by skyscraper

It would be irresponsible for inga to chime in about this right now. it's just a proposal, it's not architecture until it is built.

When has that ever stopped her before? She comments on proposals all the time....I'm sure we'll hear all about how this will ruin the city in just a little bit.

SJPhillyBoy · #**198** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 8:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by highdensity32

If you count buildings that are under construction at the moment, there are several that are already taller than the ACC proposal:

Burj Dubai - 2,600 ft? at completion
Shanghai World Financial Center - 1,614 ft

And some that are under construction and will be taller:
Chicago Spire - 2,000 ft
Freedom Tower - 1,776 ft

ACC would not be second tallest at completion, not even in the top five.

So with the current batch of supertalls currently U/C, ACC would be third tallest in the United States and around the 6th tallest in the world. I think that is pretty good company.

Ninjawho · #**199** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 8:34 PM**

it would probably be more like 10th or 11th...

there are a bunch of towers going up in Asia, Russia and the Middle East that are over 1500'..

but it would be the 3rd tallest in America...

slow-v6 · #**200** Posted **Mar 17, 2008, 8:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ninjawho

it would probably be more like 10th or 11th...

there are a bunch of towers going up in Asia, Russia and the Middle East that are over 1500'..

but it would be the 3rd tallest in America...

I could live with that!!