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Old Posted Oct 4, 2008, 12:04 AM
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the building owners are to blame. Thugs.
They need to seal the place up.
And the city needs to get off their duffs and start slapping huge fines on them, not just brewing back-room deals with these thugs all the time.
The building owners are not at fault for having thugs and taggers trespass. Please indicate how you came to that conclusion.
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Old Posted Oct 4, 2008, 12:07 AM
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because they don't maintain their properties and keep them sealed up.
Any joe blow can walk in, as we've seen by members of this site who go in to take pics.
It's called property standards.
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the building owners are to blame. Thugs.
They need to seal the place up.
And the city needs to get off their duffs and start slapping huge fines on them, not just brewing back-room deals with these thugs all the time.
No kidding RTH. That's the problem when buildings become vacant, they end up being hang outs for drugs etc. A total shame.
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Old Posted Oct 4, 2008, 1:47 AM
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Property owners should secure their own property for their own good, yes.

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because they don't maintain their properties and keep them sealed up.
Any joe blow can walk in, as we've seen by members of this site who go in to take pics.
It's called property standards.
So just to clarify, it's the property owners' fault that urban explorers are able to infiltrate property, most of which bearing "no trespassing" signs? And this point is further driven home by UER.ca hiding all locations that haven't fallen over because it's totally not illegal to trespass?
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a 'no trespassing' sign means nothing when someone can just walk right past it and stroll through the place.
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a 'no trespassing' sign means nothing when someone can just walk right past it and stroll through the place.
Cool. Make sure to put one of those in front of your house and I'm going to try to break in, k?
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He'll probably swing you with a baseball bat. Too bad vacant property owners don't protect their property the same way, Lister Block I believe has security at night.
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He'll probably swing you with a baseball bat. Too bad vacant property owners don't protect their property the same way, Lister Block I believe has security at night.
Why would he do that? I just want to take some pictures so it's OK!
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2008, 12:40 PM
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The writing is on the wall

http://thespec.com/News/Local/article/446474

October 07, 2008
Dana Brown
The Hamilton Spectator
(Oct 7, 2008)
Make no mistake: graffiti enforcement has kicked into overdrive in Hamilton and it's in part thanks to fed-up residents.

Over the past several weeks, police have arrested eight graffiti artists for spreading their work around the city and officials have no intention of curbing the blitz.

At least five of those arrests were linked to tips from citizens.

"There has been a heightened awareness of graffiti and the costs that it has on the community," said Hamilton police Crime Prevention Co-ordinator Sergeant Marty Schulenberg.

For the past three summers, graffiti has been targeted through the Graffiti Prevention Strategy, a partnership of several organizations. Tackling graffiti has also been identified as a strategic objective for police in 2009.

This was the last year for the GPS program.

Hamilton police are now working with the Crown attorney's office to try to get tags recognized in court as a person's signature would be, a move that would allow multiple tags to be attributed to the same person and increase the number of charges against them.

The Hamilton Crown attorney's office declined to comment on how tags factor in criminal charges.

It's estimated the cost of removing graffiti in the city tops $250,000 annually.

A particularly damaging type of graffiti -- known as acid etching -- is also continuing to wreak havoc.

First spotted in Hamilton last year, acid etching burns graffiti into glass surfaces, such as bus shelters.

Mountain Councillor Terry Whitehead said it seems every bus stop he passes in his ward has been hit with graffiti in some way. "There's a lot more than can be tolerated in my ward and I'm sure that's the case right across the city."

Hamilton police said studies have shown the most effective way to combat graffiti is to remove it within 12 hours.

At a test wall in Beasley Park over the summer, 24 tags were painted over and only four had reappeared six days later. After wiping those out, only one tag graced the wall 21 days after the initial cleaning.

In Winnipeg, the city has been running a free graffiti-removal program for the past 10 years. Property owners are able to get a voucher for a free can of paint and other supplies after reporting graffiti to police.

"We just see that it's an ongoing problem that needs to be addressed," said Robert Okabe, supervisor of public service operations with the city of Winnipeg.
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http://thespec.com/article/446466

Spray-painting group nabbed on Mountain

October 07, 2008
John Burman
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Fear, Drip-Drop and Mystique are out of business.

The smell of solvent was still hanging in the air Sunday when police swooped down on a group of youths tagging an upper Stoney Creek school -- the same one that's been hit every weekend for four weeks.

Police found six youths and a hoard of spray paint at St. James the Apostle Separate School on John Murray Street, after a neighbour called police at 1 p.m. A wall at the school had been festooned with tags.

Three of the youths have been charged with mischief under $5,000. One of them is also charged with possession of marijuana.

Sergeant Marty Schulenberg said investigators figure this group was responsible for four other graffiti incidents in the city. Police are still investigating to see if they are connected to previous school tags.

Schulenberg said the principal of St. James the Apostle had called police last week asking for extra patrols in the area after three successive weekends of vandalism. So, police were nearby when a resident phoned to complain about a group painting on the school in daylight.

"We're grateful the community assisted us," Schulenberg said.

He said officers have been able to clear four other graffiti incidents in the city as a result of the arrests "and hope to clear more."

This is the fourth graffiti arrest in Hamilton in recent weeks. Last week police nabbed a heavy-footed tagger who stomped across an apartment rooftop on King Street West at Ray Street to paint on a wall and an apartment resident below called police. In mid-September, police got a tip and caught three young men with backpacks full of spray paint. They also had a digital camera to record their work.

And early last month, police arrested a man they believe is responsible for graffiti in 63 locations, all labelled "Keenur."
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Footsteps on roof lead to graffiti arrest

http://thespec.com/article/445082

October 04, 2008
The Hamilton Spectator
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A graffiti painter made too much noise on a rooftop while defacing a wall in west Hamilton.

The occupant of an apartment called the cops after he heard footsteps overhead and decided it was too early for Santa.

He got a good description of a guy he saw running down the back stairs. When police arrived they found a wallet and identification on the roof and nabbed a man with artist's supplies.

A 24-year-old Hamilton man has been charged with mischief under $5,000 and two counts of breach of probation.

There have been several arrests for graffiti recently. In mid-September, police got a tip and caught three young men with backpacks full of spray paint. They also had a digital camera to record their work.

And early last month, police arrested a man they believe is responsible for graffiti in 63 locations, all labelled KEENUR.
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Does the above, and other recent arrest mean that graffiti tagging will be on the wane in Hamilton?

I hope so, it's good to see a flurry of arrests the majority with citizen involvement. It shows that individuals can make a difference in their neighbourhoods.
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2008, 1:57 PM
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Hamilton police said studies have shown the most effective way to combat graffiti is to remove it within 12 hours.
Very interesting. I did not know this.

This seems to be a little peak at vandalism psycology. Could it be that most vandals feel guilty about their work if it can be shown to them that someone actualy cares about the property they deface? Maybe they eventualy stop tagging property that has been cared for because it removes the rationalization in their minds that "It's ok if I spray paint here because nobody cares anyways."

Or are most taggers simply lazy and don't want to keep redoing work over and over again. Its just not as fun if someone keeps coving up their hard work.

Very interesting.
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Well done. Graffiti removal is a great step at cleaning up the city.

next up..get rid of the weeds all around this city sticking out of curbs, sidewalks, and cracks everywhere! That's starting to come a major pet peeve of mine.
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I'd rather see weeds and wildflowers than fresh asphault
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Very interesting. I did not know this.

This seems to be a little peak at vandalism psycology. Could it be that most vandals feel guilty about their work if it can be shown to them that someone actualy cares about the property they deface? Maybe they eventualy stop tagging property that has been cared for because it removes the rationalization in their minds that "It's ok if I spray paint here because nobody cares anyways."

Or are most taggers simply lazy and don't want to keep redoing work over and over again. Its just not as fun if someone keeps coving up their hard work.

Very interesting.
I think it ties/relates closely to the Broken Window Theory.

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"Broken Windows" by James Q. Wilson and George L. Kelling, which appeared in the March 1982 edition of The Atlantic Monthly.[2] The title comes from the following example:

"Consider a building with a few broken windows. If the windows are not repaired, the tendency is for vandals to break a few more windows. Eventually, they may even break into the building, and if it's unoccupied, perhaps become squatters or light fires inside.
Or consider a sidewalk. Some litter accumulates. Soon, more litter accumulates. Eventually, people even start leaving bags of trash from take-out restaurants there or breaking into cars."
A successful strategy for preventing vandalism, say the book's authors, is to fix the problems when they are small. Repair the broken windows within a short time, say, a day or a week, and the tendency is that vandals are much less likely to break more windows or do further damage. Clean up the sidewalk every day, and the tendency is for litter not to accumulate (or for the rate of littering to be much less). Problems do not escalate and thus respectable residents do not flee a neighborhood.

The theory thus makes two major claims: that further petty crime and low-level anti-social behavior will be deterred, and that major crime will, as a result, be prevented. Criticism of the theory has tended to focus only on the latter claim.
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you find weeds sticking out of crumbling curbs and asphalt to be pretty? I don't see any beauty in that.

Fresh white concrete, black asphalt, green grass/weeds where it should be is an awesome look.
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Noticed a new tag on the downtown gates this morning, "Dont Vote".
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There's another more poetic one just before that, against a building.

"If voting ever changed anything, it would have been outlawed a long time ago."

Or something like that.
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