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Old Posted Sep 17, 2019, 2:43 PM
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Dubas was partially a victim of bad timing as league dynamics have shifted drastically in the last 3-4 years and the Leafs apparently drafted the 3 kids who were each determined they were going to spearhead the RFA revolution.
LOL nice mansplaining!!!!

Dubas totally caved in every negotiation he's had his hands on and completely broke the RFA market in the process.

Good Luck winning with half the cap tied up in 4 forwards.

Shanaplan indeed.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2019, 3:08 PM
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Mansplaining? I don't think that word means what you think it does.

The fact is the market experienced a sharp reversal circa 2016-2017 after several years of severe RFA discounts. Gaudreau, Mackinnon, Pastrnak all clearly lost out on their negotiations. We are now in a league where offensive production peaks much earlier than it ever has, and so players and agents are asking why they shouldn't be paid for their most productive years. Draisatl was actually the first real large RFA contract to be paid for future performance. See also Rantanen, Point, and Laine for how this is not just a Dubas/Toronto issue. No doubt Dubas still fucked up the Marner negotiation (Matthews is murkier). Marner should have been sub $9.5 or walk away from the table. At the same time, he would've been equally crucified if the Leafs weren't able to perform with their 90 point winger playing in Switzerland.

I'm willing to bet within the next 5 years there will be shift to teams willing to spend more money to keep RFAs, and less willing to keep paying UFAs with 1-3 productive years left ridiculous contracts. I would rather have any of this years big RFAs locked up than Panarin, Duchene, or Pavelski.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2019, 3:14 PM
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Canucks and Flames split the split squad games.
Both away teams won
Canuck's best players did not play
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The defensive depth will take a hit when one of your top pair d-men (cough cough Myers) goes out with a long term injury by Halloween.
Is Myers injury prone? He's only missed 2 games in the last 2 seasons.

Point is we are a lot better equipped to handle injuries with Myers and strong Calder candidate Hughes added to the blue line. These 2 guys are also going to vastly improve our PP. Hughes on 1st unit and Myers on second unit. The second unit will be the most improved.

Overall Canucks should score a lot more goals this year. I think we'll be in the running for 1st in the Pacific, at least for a little while.
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Vancouver beats the Oilers but the Canucks had some big names on the ice.
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The sky is falling in Winnipeg!

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According to TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie, Winnipeg Jets defenceman is believed to be pondering his NHL future as he takes a leave of absence from the club.

McKenzie notes Byfuglien is weighing his options at the moment and remains without a timetable for a decision. Neither the Jets defenceman or his agent, Ben Hankinson, responded to a request for comment from McKenzie.
https://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-jets-d-d...eave-1.1367417
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NHLPA elects not to reopen CBA so league will play through until 2022 with current CBA.
From what I gather the players won the right to play at the Olympics in exchange for also playing at a World Cup of Hockey (which the owners like better than the Olympics - $$$ for them).
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Wow add that to the negative Laine comments and the loss of good defencemen.
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Wow add that to the negative Laine comments and the loss of good defencemen.
And the other unsigned free agent.
And two players got into a car accident??
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Yay, more pre-season hockey! Boeser making his first appearance. It looks like Ferland is going to be on the top line with Pettersson and Boeser.

Paruzing you-tube videos and came across this Yakupov goal and celebration, which was later mocked by Tom Sestito. Funny as hell...

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I can't remember the last time I've been this disinterested in the start of the hockey season. A year of nothing but contract talks for the Leafs and we're likely in no better position to actually beat the Bruins in the playoffs.

Dubas was partially a victim of bad timing as league dynamics have shifted drastically in the last 3-4 years and the Leafs apparently drafted the 3 kids who were each determined they were going to spearhead the RFA revolution. Partial credit goes to the Toronto media for not shutting up about contracts for 2 years and inflating player values. Still, to not win on a single negotiation when Boston manages to sign someone like McAvoy to an actually reasonable bridge deal is not a good look.

If Marner has a slow start to the season I fear for his well-being.
Some of it was bad timing, but also looking back I wish he hadn't have sat on the Nylander negotiation so long, only to give what Nylander was asking for. If he had have waited it out maybe Nylander signs for less, and it makes a difference in Marner's negotiations. I dunno.
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Nine more sleeps.

While the offseason has been pretty dull there are lots of interesting stories to follow this year.
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Now that TB has signed Point to a very reasonable contract ($6.75M x 3), there is no reason for the rest of the RFAs not to be signing something similar.
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That's a good number to get Point at. He had better numbers than Auston Matthews last year who gets almost twice as much as Point. I guess cuz he plays on a stacked team? Overall though, bridge deals work better for both parties involved imo.
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Posting this because I love how certain forumers get so pissed off by it. Poor Ottawa

https://www.oddsshark.com/nhl/stanley-cup-futures
Odds To Win The 2019-20 Stanley Cup

Tampa Bay Lightning +750
Toronto Maple Leafs +900
Vegas Golden Knights +1000
Boston Bruins +1100
Colorado Avalanche +1300
St. Louis Blues +1500
Florida Panthers +1700
Dallas Stars +1700
Nashville Predators +1800
San Jose Sharks +1800
Washington Capitals +2000
Calgary Flames +2000
Winnipeg Jets +2200
Pittsburgh Penguins +2400
New Jersey Devils +2500
New York Islanders +3000
Carolina Hurricanes +3300
Philadelphia Flyers +3300
Chicago Blackhawks +3300
Edmonton Oilers +3500
Montreal Canadiens +3500
New York Rangers +3500
Arizona Coyotes +4000
Vancouver Canucks +4000
Columbus Blue Jackets +5000
Minnesota Wild +5500
Buffalo Sabres +6600
Anaheim Ducks +8000
Los Angeles Kings +8000
Detroit Red Wings +8000
Ottawa Senators +20000
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I mean, I know the Sens have basically zero chance to win the Stanley Cup, but ouch. That's a 12000 difference (whatever those numbers are supposed to mean) between the last and second to last team.
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^I'd rank Ottawa ahead of a couple simply because they have a scoring defenseman that other teams don't have.
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How could the Oilers possibly have better odds than the Canucks? They have no depth whatsoever. Their goaltending looks atrocious. Meanwhile the Canucks added key pieces on forward and d, and they also finished ahead of the Oilers last year. The Oilers peaked when they made the play-offs in 2017. I would be comfortable betting a fortune that the Canucks finish ahead of the Oilers.

Even if I wasn't a Canucks fan, I would still be picking them as the darkhouse surprise team of the year.
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McDavid. That is all. I'd rate Vancouver even to slightly better in my preseason poll, but both are very much longshots. Even making the playoffs might be a stretch for both. And yes the goaltending in Edmonton is still a dumpster fire, but then so is the defense so it doesn't really matter who you put in net at this point.
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If smith can play well, having a puck moving goaltender like him is massive. Even on the Flames just watching those games he can make the entire team back off. So him outletting to Mcdavid could make for some surprises all year
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