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Old Posted Sep 20, 2019, 10:06 PM
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I would love to see an office/residential mix on the corner.

Throw 20 stories of residential on top...although the parking and building efficiency would be a challenge.

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Vertical mixed use is a bitch. It's always option 2 (or 3 or 4) for a developer.
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As a compromise could they construct is as proposed now, 25 stories, but design the tower to allow a future vertical expansion? Similar to Bental 5? Maybe capable of a future addition of 15 stories.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2019, 12:15 AM
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As a compromise could they construct is as proposed now, 25 stories, but design the tower to allow a future vertical expansion? Similar to Bental 5? Maybe capable of a future addition of 15 stories.
Love that idea of making it possible to add floors. Would have also been cool to have a building like the Shaw Tower which is a mix of residential, office, commercial, and retail. Some space with rec space for people in the area since its close to Holland Park would also be nice like a Pool or something...
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I can see from an urban planning point of view that it is best to maximize density on the lot. But this is unusual for MetroVancouver. Not sure if the developer is going to commence with the proposal if they cannot obtain the financing to build a taller building. Design as it stands is great, so if the developer wants they can add the extra 15-20 floors on top of the upper setback in order to minimize costs, all while achieving the height expectations. Something like this (excuse the bad mockup)

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Old Posted Sep 21, 2019, 4:17 AM
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The height was completely appropriate for the design, location, and market needs. How is a 25-storey (382 ft) office tower not appropriate for a secondary metropolitan downtown?

“We want to see highrises. This is not a highrise development,” McCallum said.

McCallum pointed out that kitty-corner to the proposed development are other, taller highrises.

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news...t-and-density/

Someone should inform McCallum that office floor heights are higher than residential floor heights, and in reality, this building would be taller than the existing 35-storey residential towers across the street at King George.

What a moron.

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Old Posted Sep 21, 2019, 4:57 AM
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This is hilarious. So City Council is going to try to force them to build a larger building? How exactly?

The height is one thing, but the building would be the equivalent of one of the largest in Downtown Vancouver by square footage. It's more than large enough for the current office market in Surrey and mayor and council should be jumping for joy that they have a developer willing to take on this risk. Instead, they're going to try to delay the process to get them to build more space?
They wouldn't be able to at law
- however, one way would be for the City of Surrey to enter into a long term lease for some of the additional space, or
- convince the developer to engineer the building for a future vertical expansion (although that doesn't really make sense due to the added cost and the fact the same developer has empty parking lots to build on right next door).
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2019, 6:07 AM
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Good point about the square footage.

As for height, I see the Centre Block as a more fitting location for a taller office tower anyway. Likely to happen as well.
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Wasn't the federal government soliciting for office space in Central City area?

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/fede...rrey-july-2019

I can see the center block being a great area for such a tower, but it does not necessary preclude the government from leasing space in this tower if the floor area was sufficiently larger than its current proposal.
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I've heard rumours about the announced Government office hub having some interest in the Centre Block.
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I'm glad to see that someone has got the balls to start making reasonable demands for high profile locations, in the middle of a crowding crisis. I actually love the mock-up that Cypherus did.

Back to reality: I do agree that it may not be realistic for the developer to build taller due to costs. But at the same time, I feel that this kind of narrative will serve as a beacon to invite more daring, more dense designs from other developers that have the means to make them happen. Demanding better for the city is something that I would never criticize.
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Yeah just guarantee the developer that Surrey will lease any space that sits empty after construction.
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Surrey Council is now deciding what the city's office market can support? They're just, unquestionably, idiots.
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Where's Wework when you need them. If only they would come around and lease out say 20 floors of this building then the developer could build a taller building.
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I think 35ish floors would be reasonable enough. It would increase the height to around 145m.
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The height was completely appropriate for the design, location, and market needs. How is a 25-storey (382 ft) office tower not appropriate for a secondary metropolitan downtown?

“We want to see highrises. This is not a highrise development,” McCallum said.

McCallum pointed out that kitty-corner to the proposed development are other, taller highrises.

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news...t-and-density/

Someone should inform McCallum that office floor heights are higher than residential floor heights, and in reality, this building would be taller than the existing 35-storey residential towers across the street at King George.

What a moron.
What's the height of a residential floor vs a commercial floor?
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Lol. How did Surrey get so cocky all of a sudden? Surrey Central has had 3 Skytrain Stations for decades now and they have less tower development than Coquitlam Centre, which has had Skytrain for only 2.5 years. McCallum should be kissing the feet of the developer that's proposing a major office building (even for downtown Vancouver) that actually looks decent. Even Metrotown can't get developers to build office buildings like this, which is why they converted half of the commercial FSR to residential. Looks like Surrey is going to remain in the doldrums for the foreseeable future.
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It's already a pretty large floorplate (total sq2) too...
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2019, 11:27 PM
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Why don't they design the building so that floors can be added later when there's more demand, like the Bentall tower and that office tower near metrotown? Build the 25 floor version now, then in a few years if the market needs it build another 15 floors
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2019, 2:04 AM
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Adding any extra height would require a bigger redesign of the tower than simply “adding a few more floors”. If you look at the plans there is stepping and terraces on multiple levels, including the higher floors.

I actually prefer this building the way it is. Dont need extra height at this location. It would be slightly taller than Central City 1, and around the same height as the King George towers across the street.

Hopefully staff brings this back to Council as is, just with better contextual drawings to help this moronic council understand how it will actually fit in to the area. Surrey Council are not in a position to be delaying projects because they think it should be taller. Last I checked none of them are experts in economic / market needs, or urban planning & design.
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