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Old Posted May 1, 2018, 5:52 PM
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^What a class act this guy is. How refreshing it is to have a developer who actually cares about architecture and the history and fabric of the city.

Hiring that architectural historian is obviously unnecessary and the salary I'm sure is very high, but Stern does it anyways because he cares, and he builds absolutely drop dead gorgeous contributions to the skyline as a result.
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That "How developers hunt for architects" is an excellent read, particularly the questions and answers section.

This is what separates JDS from the underlings. A developer that is on the next level with its project delivery, design specification, and purpose with respect to the city that its seeking to enhance.
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That's why I wish JDS would have gotten the Clock Tower in Queens. I'm sure there would have been a better way to integrate that with the tower planned around it.



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This tower reminds me of 432 Park (in a good way).
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Old Posted May 3, 2018, 5:08 AM
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Has anyone seen info or an update on the status of the Mass Tuned Damper? At 800 tons it's suppose to be the largest one ever designed. I assume someone somewhere is working on it.
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Has anyone seen info or an update on the status of the Mass Tuned Damper? At 800 tons it's suppose to be the largest one ever designed. I assume someone somewhere is working on it.
oh yeah we will definately need intel and photos of it when we get to that level!

for now here is something about it and about mtd (or tmd) in general across manhattan:

http://jdsdevelopment.com/ru/keeping...in-the-wind-6/
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oh yeah we will definately need intel and photos of it when we get to that level!

for now here is something about it and about mtd (or tmd) in general across manhattan:

http://jdsdevelopment.com/ru/keeping...in-the-wind-6/
From your link:



It would have been amazing if they somehow integrated the damper into the crown so that it would be visible through the glass. I've always loved the publicly accessible glorified damper in Taipei 101:

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Mostly a crown and mechanical space.


Has anyone noticed the large void between floors 11-18? I have seen it referred to as an "Atrium" but it's not. Also doesn't seem like mechanical space due to lack of access doors in the plans.

My best guess is: it's either a TON of structural cross-bracing necessary to hold the tower up; OR, it's a podium that was added in to make the tower higher but can legally not be used for floor space because they already maxed out the square footage.

Otherwise, a bunch more apartments or storage space could fit there? Just seems weird to me and I am curious to know what's inside this ninety foot cube of space in such a prominent location.

Not sure how to post PDFs here but found this really complete plan set at:

http://www.insensation.com/wp-conten...loor-Plans.pdf
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^^ I believe I read once that they incorporated voids to reduce wind resistance.

Edit: just relooked at what you're talking about... no idea.
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^^ I believe I read once that they incorporated voids to reduce wind resistance.

Edit: just relooked at what you're talking about... no idea.
I just assumed it was a fancy lobby or something.
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Looks like big open mechanical space. There's a cage ladder and a callout to see mechanical sheets for the layout. You'd need to the MEP drawings to see what's actually there. I'm guessing that's where most of the buildings mechanical stuff is going because there's not a lot of room up top.

They can't really use that space for units because there's no way to get required light & vent that deep in the building.
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Has anyone noticed the large void between floors 11-18? I have seen it referred to as an "Atrium" but it's not. Also doesn't seem like mechanical space due to lack of access doors in the plans.

My best guess is: it's either a TON of structural cross-bracing necessary to hold the tower up; OR, it's a podium that was added in to make the tower higher but can legally not be used for floor space because they already maxed out the square footage.


Keep in mind that this is technically not a new building, but an alteration or enlargement of an existing one (Steinway)...


http://www.insensation.com/wp-conten...loor-Plans.pdf

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FILING FOR ENLARGEMENT OF EXISTING STRUCTURE AS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS FILED HEREWITH.


The Schedule A, which breaks down the uses doesn't specify that opening...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/BS...de=ES008579317



I remember from looking at the model, there is some open/atrium space, but I don't know how it all fits in.



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Old Posted May 8, 2018, 3:32 AM
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Keep in mind that this is technically not a new building, but an alteration or enlargement of an existing one (Steinway)...

The Schedule A, which breaks down the uses doesn't specify that opening...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/BS...de=ES008579317

I remember from looking at the model, there is some open/atrium space, but I don't know how it all fits in.



https://radiiinc.com/shop-111-west-57th-amenities

The integration of the new and old buildings is fascinating to me... I made this sketch to keep track of the coordination between floors in the new and old sections. (The numbers in boxes are marketing levels while the numbers not in boxes are construction levels)



So if you look at the cutaway-model diagram you posted it looks like the atrium above the residential amenity gym does go up to Level 11. But that still leaves 6 floors (12-18) of open space.

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Looks like big open mechanical space. There's a cage ladder and a callout to see mechanical sheets for the layout. You'd need to the MEP drawings to see what's actually there. I'm guessing that's where most of the buildings mechanical stuff is going because there's not a lot of room up top.

They can't really use that space for units because there's no way to get required light & vent that deep in the building.
And that's the thing about all that space, it actually does border on a lot of useable window space, at least in some places. For example, if you look at the plans of floors 14 and 15: (photoshopped together from different sheets from JDS construction set at http://www.insensation.com/wp-conten...loor-Plans.pdf)

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Floor 15


There's that cage ladder inside the enclosure around the elevators. But the whole south face (looking towards 57th st) is open with the glass curtain wall looking down onto the fitness patio. I guess the main issue is that we would need an MEP engineer to say what kind of equipment requires a 6 floor high space. But, throughout the rest of the documents available online all the main mechanical systems are accounted for, for example:
(from another PDF at https://therealdeal.com/wp-content/u...ned_Part10.pdf)





I know this is getting overly scrutinizing but I think it's really interesting how much non-rentable space this building has in it, including entire floors of the old Steinway Hall building. Again on the floor plans posted above, the upper levels of both condominiums have a small amount of useable space but then are mostly void, including a lot of full windows that I guess will just be blacked out? It doesn't seem like all the rooms will be double height to the point of having two rows of windows. It's almost like this building is so luxurious that the architect / developer decided it was worth surrounding the apartments with emptiness to give them more privacy and lessen the load and occupancy. Maybe I'm reading into it and there really is an insane amount of venting/piping/compressors etc. because a tower like this is pretty much a contained city. But floors 2, 9, 12, and 15 are all full height with no residential, commercial, or obvious mechanical function. And then the only storage space the residents have available to them are those tiny cubbies in the basement that cost like $300,000 extra.

Here's one more plan, from the northern portion of floor 18:
(from the same PDF at http://www.insensation.com/wp-conten...loor-Plans.pdf)



Ok, this one does say mechanical space, but it's still a huge, full-height, fully window-lined room looking onto 58th street that would make a great covert JDS/Illuminati office. I would want to use it if I wasn't so set on living in Duplex 60-61 which might be the best unit except for the very very top one.

And also, what about the windbreak floors? Are they safe to use as patios for a BBQ?
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^ You're right... large parts do actually have window access. I don't get it. Maybe it's an FAR zoning thing so they could get the desired height?
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