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I wasn't referring to the smaller tower I was referring to the taller one. The evenly-spaced square within a square is very much a 432 Park Avenue element and IMO its very unappealing and looks lazy no matter what material is used.
I know you were talking about the taller tower. I think that facade is no more similar to 432 Park than a typical glass facade building is to another. I think you're probably just used to that, so it's the first thing that comes to mind.
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I wasn't referring to the smaller tower I was referring to the taller one. The evenly-spaced square within a square is very much a 432 Park Avenue element and IMO its very unappealing and looks lazy no matter what material is used.
That tower won't be done until 2025, what we're seeing is most likely a place holder.
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I wasn't referring to the smaller tower I was referring to the taller one. The evenly-spaced square within a square is very much a 432 Park Avenue element and IMO its very unappealing and looks lazy no matter what material is used.
The taller tower doesn't look much like 432 Park.

In any case, I like 432 Park, and apparently so do buyers, and would be thrilled to see additional versions of 432 here in NYC.
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https://ny.curbed.com/2017/5/24/1568...ce-80-flatbush

Downtown Brooklyn megaproject will include studio space for artists through BRIC partnership
The donated digs will allow BRIC to double the size of their visual arts residency


BY RACHEL SUGAR
MAY 24, 2017


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A rare bit of good news for artists in Brooklyn: in advance of its enormous project at 80 Flatbush—which also includes 900 mixed-income apartments, two public schools, and commercial space—Alloy Development is partnering up with BRIC to turn a vacant building at 505 State Street into free studio space for grantees of the arts organization’s visual arts residency program, BRICworkspace.

The program, now in its fourth year, provides a materials stipend, curator visits, and—most importantly here—gratis studio space for emerging and mid-career artists who “live, work, or were born in Brooklyn.” The newly donated digs will give the program space to double the number of artists in residence this summer, up to eight from the usual four, and will allow the program to take function year-round, according to a release announcing the year-long deal.

“As developers, we feel a responsibility to add to the cultural fabric of the neighborhoods we work in, which is why we’re excited to provide rent-free space on our site for BRIC's artist-in-residency program.” said Jared Della Valle, CEO of Alloy, in a statement. “BRIC has been a tremendous cultural asset to this neighborhood and borough for decades. We look forward to supporting their continued growth.” Regina Myer, president of the Downtown Brooklyn Partnership, called the set up a “win-win for everyone.”

BRIC isn’t the only Brooklyn group Alloy has enlisted to “activate vacant spaces” on the 80 Flatbush site. Recess Assembly and Brooklyn Justice Initiatives are sharing the storefront at 370 Schermerhorn, which houses a workspace for local artists as well as classrooms for “an art-based diversion program for court-involved youth,” and last month, it was announced that local taco purveyor Jalapa Jar will be setting up a pop-up taqueria and “groceraunt” at 384 Schermerhorn in partnership with Brooklyn FoodWorks.

The developer also recently issued a call for submissions for a large mural project along Flatbush, and will be accepting artist proposals until June 12th.
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Flatbush is becoming one of the most dynamic skyscraper canyon corridors in the whole city.
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The taller tower doesn't look much like 432 Park.

In any case, I like 432 Park, and apparently so do buyers, and would be thrilled to see additional versions of 432 here in NYC.
The buyers have the advantage of never having to look as that butt-ugly building. While the rest of us down here get our views of the skyline blemished with that frugal carptiteccture.
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The buyers have the advantage of never having to look as that butt-ugly building. While the rest of us down here get our views of the skyline blemished with that frugal carptiteccture.
I'm sure many people feel the same way about 9 Dekalb, but to each his own I suppose. Personaly, I think this will be a nice balance to 9 Dekalb.
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I'm wondering how much further the skyscraper canyon will expand from Dobro along Flatbush.

The avenue itself is blast to drive through, and take the Williamsburg Bridge onto the island.

Projects like this, outside of Manhattan excite me. They do more for the urban feel of the city than the current slew of skyscrapers u/c in Manhattan, because now, the towers are really sprouting outside the island and kinda make Manhattan seem like it expands over a larger area. I do hope to see a connection between DoBro and LIC along the waterfront and via Greenpoint. Essentially my hope of seeing skyscraper canyons flanking both the East and Hudson River on ALL sides.
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wow ! Brooklyn's 2nd tallest is gonna be really tall ! . .
and it is a very nice one . . I'm not usually a fan of flattops . .
especially for the tallest peaks . . but it works fine on this one . .
(like with the old Twins, and Trump World Tower at (UN),
the UN Secretariat, Saarinen's CBS, and some others . . ) . .
the non-bulky proportions of the taller 80 Flatbush, . .
with that great angled midsection, . . and the punched individual windows,
which make the tower seem so traditionally "big-city" monumental . .
(like 30 Rock, 200 CPS, the PanAm/MetLife, etc) . .
But if the building gets value engineered like 2 & 3WTC, 3MW, CPT, . .
if the angle disappears, & individual windows give way to uniform curtain-wall glass . .
it'll be just more standard-issue intentional-negligence . .
but so far, in that dusky rendering, it looks pretty sexy . .
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Brooklyn Residents Protest Huge Building Development

By Lori Bordonaro
August 25, 2017

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Residents in a quaint, townhouse-filled Brooklyn neighborhood are furious over a developer's plan to build the borough's tallest high-rise building in their backyard.

"The culture is gone," griped Boerum Hill resident Joseph Schneider, who's lived on his quiet tree-lined block for 40 years. Over the decades, he's seen many changes in his neighborhood -- the Barclays Center, new stores and new construction -- but a new proposal by Alloy Development to build a 74-story and a 38-story building across the street has shocked him.

"I knew it would happen sooner or later, but never expected something as massive as this is going to be," he said.

The development, being called 80 Flatbush, would take up a triangle block on Flatbush Avenue near State Street and Third Avenue, towering over part of the historic tree-lined neighborhood and blocking the view of the iconic Savings Bank clock.

The mixed-use space would also house a 350-seat elementary school and a new building for the Khalil Gibran International School.

"We believe that this is an opportunity to grow downtown Brooklyn responsibly, and to provide public benefits that will serve a diverse array of Brooklyn items in an area that is transit-rich and can support more density," Alloy said in a statement.

Under the NYC Educational Construction Fund, 15 private developments zoned for high-rises have been completed dating back to the 1970s. Earlier this year, the city teamed up with developer Avalon Bay to build a high-rise and three new high schools on East 96th Street.

The Department of Education said in a statement that the Educational Construction Find "is leveraging private funding to bring much needed public school seats to the area and provide the community with state-of-the-art school facilities to meet the needs of families."

But neighbors remained skeptical.

"Why the city needs to rely on corporate funds to finance schools boggles my mind," said Eileen Boxer. "What they are doing here is a political gesture to fill their pockets."

Dozens of Boerum Hill residents have signed a petition opposing the development. Alloy is expected to begin its official public review process at the end of the year.

The Department of Education says "community feedback is critical to this process and we will continue to engage with stakeholders throughout the course of the project."
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At the end of the day, wouldn't corporate funds for things like schools, parks, and transportation work out better than via your own tax dollars?

Things typically involving government services draw upon tax dollars. The more private corps invest in your typical government services, the better!

So you give them schools, they complain. You give them parks, they complain. You reduce the height to allow for sunlight and increase their cancer risk, they complain.

They are miserable blokes and informal women at these protests.
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At the end of the day, wouldn't corporate funds for things like schools, parks, and transportation work out better than via your own tax dollars?

Things typically involving government services draw upon tax dollars. The more private corps invest in your typical government services, the better!

So you give them schools, they complain. You give them parks, they complain. You reduce the height to allow for sunlight and increase their cancer risk, they complain.

They are miserable blokes and informal women at these protests.
Give them gold, they complain.

Give them cash, they complain.

Give them eternal life, they complain.

It's no use to even trying to reason with them, they'll always complain.
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http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories...-08-25-bk.html

The wrong fit: Super-tall, super-dense towers have no place in Boerum Hill, petition says





BY LAUREN GILL
August 24, 2017


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The buildings are too damn high!

The developer planning to build two huge towers in Boerum Hill must downsize the high-rises to get city approval, a new petition that will be presented to officials in charge of greenlighting the project demands.

“It’s one tool in terms of communicating to our elected officials how people feel about this,” said Howard Kolins, president of civic group the Boerum Hill Association, which created the petition. “The consensus from most people is the project is just too big.”

The association plans to deliver the request, which had amassed 602 signatures by press time, to Councilman Steve Levin (D–Boerum Hill), Borough President Adams, and Community Board 2’s Land Use Committee — all of whom have a say in the development’s lengthy approval process — before each decides whether to allow builder Alloy Development to construct 74- and 38-story high-rises on a lot bounded by Flatbush Avenue, Third Avenue, and State Street, which is on the outskirts of the brownstone-lined nabe.

The super-tall towers are not in keeping with the low-rise enclave’s aesthetic, according to the petition.

“Any plan should be a ‘contribution to the neighborhood character,’ ” it reads.

The 80 Flatbush project also includes a new 350-seat elementary school and a new building for the Khalil Gibran International School, which already sits on the lot inside a crumbling structure that will be refashioned into a cultural center as part of the scheme.

But neighbors contend that they shouldn’t have to welcome skyscrapers to get new schools, arguing the additional seats won’t even put a dent in the area’s school-capacity crisis because the residential towers will just bring more families into the neighborhood.

The petition demands the education department identify more locations for classrooms that can accommodate the growing swathe of Brooklyn’s school-age population before the development moves forward. And Kolins said people are disappointed that it seems like the city can no longer fund schools without enlisting private help.

“The community feedback was a deep sense of regret that the city seems incapable of building schools without private support,” he said.


Residents are also calling for Alloy to remove loading docks on State Street from the plan, so locals don’t have to deal with truck congestion and trash. But a rep for the developer said they need to be installed to meet city zoning rules, and that Alloy is hoping it can convince officials to reduce the project’s loading requirements.

Locals also say the skyscrapers will block their views of the nearby Williamsburgh Savings Bank building, forcing neighbors who for decades have enjoyed picturesque views of the historic tower to hit the street just to catch a glimpse of it.

“That building is an icon and it now becomes more and more walled off and invisible for our neighbors looking that way,” Kolins said. “If you want to view it, you’ll have to stand in the middle of Fourth Avenue — and you’ll still see two towers.”

The civic group’s leader met with Alloy’s head honcho last week, and the developer has hosted several meetings with community members since announcing the towers, input from which will be used to shape the project, according to Alloy’s chief.

“We absolutely take the public input seriously and feel it will make for a better project,” said Jared Della Valle. “We continue to believe this is an opportunity to grow Downtown Brooklyn responsibly and provide a lot of public benefits in an area that is transit-rich and can support more density.”

But talking with the developer doesn’t mean his civic association is giving its seal of approval, according to Kolins, just that it wants a say in how the development ultimately turns out.

The city held a meeting in June to get locals’ feedback on the project’s environmental impact study, which examines how it will affect the surrounding community, and should be releasing the results of that assessment within the next week, Kolins said.

The public will then have time to respond before Alloy presents its plans to Community Board 2, which it plans to do in December, he said.



When are they holding the telethon for these people? Who will be the first to pledge?


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Locals also say the skyscrapers will block their views of the nearby Williamsburgh Savings Bank building, forcing neighbors who for decades have enjoyed picturesque views of the historic tower to hit the street just to catch a glimpse of it.

“That building is an icon and it now becomes more and more walled off and invisible for our neighbors looking that way,” Kolins said. “If you want to view it, you’ll have to stand in the middle of Fourth Avenue — and you’ll still see two towers.”
The horrors.

At least some of the people in the comments section get it...
http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories...-08-25-bk.html
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They'll also have 570 Fulton down the block to worry about.
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Bad news. Councilmember Steve Levin takes wealthy NIMBYs seriously. Has stopped much smaller projects with affordable housing in order to appease the rich NIMBY gentry:

https://therealdeal.com/2017/06/06/d...nity-backlash/

I would not be surprised if he sacrificed the new schools and hundreds of units of affordable housing in order to protect the views of a few brownstone millionaires.
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I am always surprised that construction unions don't get on the opposite end of NIMBY push back. Is it just because there's so much work to go around already...?
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I remember the Brooklyn Clock tower (One Hanson Place) arguement that it should be the tallest and remain the icon of Brooklyn.

Meanwhile, fast forward, and all of DoBro is a major skyscraper node. Back in the day, during the soft cost stage of Atlantic Yards aka Pacific Park, the NIMBY scum were spewing their Williamsburg Bank Tower rubbish. And they lost dramatically.

So in sum, lets not really worry. 9 Dekalb is rising, City Point Phase III (Tallest of the phases), and this will rise as well. Pacific Park is rising, and that was a major NIMBY war among developers. Again, they lost.

Just like they will lose with the LES towers.
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Bad news. Councilmember Steve Levin takes wealthy NIMBYs seriously. Has stopped much smaller projects with affordable housing in order to appease the rich NIMBY gentry:

https://therealdeal.com/2017/06/06/d...nity-backlash/

It's customary for the Council to side with the council member who's district any development would take place in.

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However, this is a different type of project, with different backing. The most they could hope for is a reduced height, similar to what went down on the upper eastside. The problem with that is the site is so small that the height is necessary to get the full development built. And there are already enough multiple developments going on nearby and planned that their arguments against anything tall have no merit.
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