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View Poll Results: Which party do you plan to vote for in the 2019 federal election?
Conservative Party 73 25.61%
Liberal Party 119 41.75%
NDP 44 15.44%
Green Party 27 9.47%
Peoples Party of Canada 22 7.72%
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2019, 5:34 PM
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My guess is that even if Scheer loses big that Jason Kenney wouldn't leave the Alberta premiership right away.

I mean, he just won it last spring. It hasn't even been a year.

That would not look very good plus he doesn't have much to gain sitting in the Opposition right away and staying there for four years across from Justin Trudeau.

I'd see him sticking around Edmonton for a couple of years and then slowly working his way back into the federal fold in the lead up to the 2023 elections.
It hasn't even been 6 months. That said, I think he'd definitely abandon Alberta, especially for the chance for more power. His entire campaign for premier was simply to pander to people's fears and frustrations, while assaulting federal policies that he himself helped to enact during the Harper administration. Politically speaking, he doesn't care about anything but increasing his power, and he'll say anything to get there.
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For the first time in my life, I’m either not going to vote, or I’m going to spoil my ballot.
I hope it's the latter and if not then it's been nice knowing you.

I do not agree with forced voting like in Australia as it should be a choice and people can "vote" by not voting. If you choice to not vote however, then you have made a conscious decision to withdraw from the political process and hence your political, social, and economic views are not only unwelcome but also completely irrelevant.

In the late 90s I was repulsed by all the parties so I ended up voting for the Universal Levitation Party. Please don't ask me what they are for I have absolutely no idea but the point was that I voted so I can legitimately claim my spot in the political process...…………..if you don't vote, you can't bitch.
     
     
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For the first time in my life, I’m either not going to vote, or I’m going to spoil my ballot. I’ve never seen such poor leadership across all major parties, and a complete abdication from the issues that (I think) really matter, namely cost disease in health, education, child care, infrastructure and housing and how to shift the economy to compete in a world of looming automation and radically different skills.

For the first time in my adult life I actually live in a riding where my vote would matter; Eglinton-Lawrence is a bit of a bellwether where the governing party wins by only a few thousand votes. Even so, I couldn’t care less.
I'm sorry, but that's a bit of a cop-out. Most Canadian ridings have a pretty hefty selection of names on the ballot, there should be someone you could feel comfortable voting for, even if it is just to send a message.
     
     
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It hasn't even been 6 months. That said, I think he'd definitely abandon Alberta, especially for the chance for more power. His entire campaign for premier was simply to pander to people's fears and frustrations, while assaulting federal policies that he himself helped to enact during the Harper administration. Politically speaking, he doesn't care about anything but increasing his power, and he'll say anything to get there.
Kenney would be a disaster for the federal Tories, unlikeable and polarizing. They need someone like Ambrose or McKay who at least have a shred of likeability and the chance of expanding their base.
     
     
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I hope it's the latter and if not then it's been nice knowing you.

I do not agree with forced voting like in Australia as it should be a choice and people can "vote" by not voting. If you choice to not vote however, then you have made a conscious decision to withdraw from the political process and hence your political, social, and economic views are not only unwelcome but also completely irrelevant.

In the late 90s I was repulsed by all the parties so I ended up voting for the Universal Levitation Party. Please don't ask me what they are for I have absolutely no idea but the point was that I voted so I can legitimately claim my spot in the political process...…………..if you don't vote, you can't bitch.
(Not meaning to guilt trip) but if intelligent well-informed people like hipster duck (not meaning to suck up) are opting out of the voting system, that's just about the worst scenario possible.

You also have the option of spoiling your ballot, which is still taking part in the democratic process but snubbing them with a "pox on all your houses!".
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The consistent trend of low voter turn out and generally low political engagement is the very reason why electoral reform is my #1 issue and why I was so enraged when the Liberal abandoned it when they clearly committed to 2015 being the last election under FPTP. FPTP naturally results in fewer, more consolidated parties and less voter choice and I honestly believe that having such limited choice is the very reason why so many people disengage. Everyone has their own unique mix of concerns and priorities and feeling the need to round up or down so drastically simply makes people feel hopeless, as if one choice just isn't much better than the next. Especially, when we're trying to balance so many things into a single choice:

- Qualifications, likability, and prior performance (if incumbent) of the local candidate
- Ideas/platform of local candidate
- Platform positions of the national/provincial parties on multiple issues
- Prior performance/effectiveness/integrity of the incumbent party
- Qualifications and likability of party leadership

You so often have a candidate or party that has the platform you most closely align with but that has scandals or other issues that make you doubt their ethics, or vice versa. If there are only two choices that stand a chance of election, what do you do? Vote for the platform you prefer and ignore the shady stuff, or vote for the platform you're against to get someone who is hopefully more ethical?

I remember arguing with someone over the Conservatives vs Liberals last election where they said, "The Liberals promise all this stuff but they're so incompetent they'll never accomplish any of it. Harper is experienced and efficient and will actually achieve stuff." And i said, "You're right, but why would I vote for someone who will definitely accomplish things I don't like over someone who will merely attempt to accomplish things that I actually want? If the best i can get is to merely blocking things i don't like, then that's better than nothing"

Fortunately in my riding, the Liberal and NDP are both competitive and the Conservatives aren't outside the realm of possibility. But i still wish I could vote for anyone I wanted such as the Greens and not feel as if my vote was wasted. Sure you could say that it's "sending a message", but if we're honest that means basically zilch. Once you've decided whether or not to vote for one of the top two options, that's where the relevance of your vote ends.
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The worst thing about FPTP is that you need to guess at what other people's voting intentions are. You don't cast a vote for your preferred candidate, you cast a vote for the least bad candidate who could plausibly be elected.

There are complicated proportional representation schemes but I think we could have a system that's strictly better than right now just by doing runoffs or ranked ballots and keeping everything else the same.

I tend to agree that this is a depressing election with a very weak slate of leaders and little focus on important issues.
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It's a mid-cycle election in the sense that people aren't really itching for a change in government, which tends to produce uninspiring candidates.

You have the incumbent who has probably broken some election promises by now and has some gaffes to contend with. It's nothing so bad as to be fatal to their leadership, but it taints the optimism they were swept into power with.

You have the opposition - who in their hearts, somehow knows it doesn't have the moxie and ability to win right now. The critical mass of annoyance with the incumbent hasn't built up to a boil yet, so there's no sense putting your best person in the ring. So, you choose a chair-filler for the time being.

Then there's the 3rd party, who either has a guy who will profit at the expense of the incumbent as a protest vote if they're charming and a good campaigner. If they're not, people shrug their shoulders and don't vote.

I'm trying to think of a time when an incumbent was booted unceremoniously and early who wasn't sort of a remnant of the previous popular guy (i.e. George H.W. Bush as an extension of Reagan's administration). Joe Clark, maybe? Jimmy Carter in the US? Maybe someone else can think of one.
     
     
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I will be voting for ABL (anyone but Liberal). The SNC scandal is too much, especially with no apology. Last time it was Green, but I'm tired of hearing about GMOs and climate change, so maybe I'll go with the NDP or the Conservatives. Maybe even PPC. Not sure yet.
     
     
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Likely voting Liberal. I personally like the NDP candidate more (Jack Harris), but the NDP are polling way too low. I don't think he'll win, and I don't want a split vote to give the district to the Conservatives.

This is also the most apathy I've ever felt about an election. Literally no one excites me.
     
     
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Interesting we have 15 Conservative voters here according to the poll, but I don't see anybody posting saying that's where their vote is, or why.

edit: I see Elizabeth May is now saying she'd consider re-opening the abortion discussion. How many gaffes can one leader have?
     
     
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Interesting we have 15 Conservative voters here according to the poll, but I don't see anybody posting saying that's where their vote is, or why.

edit: I see Elizabeth May is now saying she'd consider re-opening the abortion discussion. How many gaffes can one leader have?
I don't think that's quite what she said, was it? Although it will be seen as a gaffe in many quarters. The surprise for me was learning that the leader of the Green Party does not have the power to whip her MPs' votes.
     
     
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Nouvellecosse....................I too way infuriated by Trudeau's bold faced lie about electoral reform. I can honestly say it was one of the primary reasons I voted for him after my desire to get rid of Harper.

That said, using one's dislike of our FPTP voting system as an excuse for not voting is a cop-out. The sad reality is that millions of Canadians either don't care or are too lazy to vote. Remember that we on this forum do not, under even the wildest of comparison, reflect the wider public and their political views or lack thereof.
     
     
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[QUOTE=WarrenC12;8682282]Interesting we have 15 Conservative voters here according to the poll, but I don't see anybody posting saying that's where their vote is, or why.

This is a very left leaning socialist forum where liberal govts can do no wrong, I’m surprised that even 1 in 5 on here would vote conservative.

The best thing that can happen to Alberta is another liberal majority, people here seem to be ready for the next step to take control of there own future without federal influence and to eventually reach that goal would take a huge step backwards if the conservative are voted into power.
     
     
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Interesting we have 15 Conservative voters here according to the poll, but I don't see anybody posting saying that's where their vote is, or why.

edit: I see Elizabeth May is now saying she'd consider re-opening the abortion discussion. How many gaffes can one leader have?
That's not really what she said. She said that members of her party won't be prevented from trying to open the debate on abortion because of how the Green Party operates.

But the Green Party put out a statement afterwards saying "Although the leader does not have the power to whip votes, all Green Party members of Parliament must endorse the Green Party's values, including a firm support of a woman's right to choose. There is zero chance an elected representative of our party will ever reopen the abortion debate."
     
     
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I'm left underwhelmed by the alternatives and the current status quo has treated me fine. For all the outrage most people haven't really been harmed by the current government. It's all politics and personal leadership preferences, the majority of Canadians will likely live their lives the same way whether there is a change in government or not.

Honestly I don't even know why I'm supposed to dislike Trudeau, it just seems like the flavor of the month to hate on him while continuing to vote for the LPC. The so-called left wing media bias spends much more time attacking him for the irrelevant problems and scandals to me and my daily life and business that I conduct myself in. The hardliners on both the left and right just makes me want to further support a party that is stable, centrist and understands compromise. As long as he has a pretty decent and competent team I see no reason to give the reigns to someone else this go around.

Whether I think Trudeau is PM material isn't actually as important to me as whether I feel more confident that his team of ministers and advisers will do a better job of navigating the country's challenges than Scheer's (yes) and Singh's (very obviously, yes).
     
     
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That's not really what she said. She said that members of her party won't be prevented from trying to open the debate on abortion because of how the Green Party operates.

But the Green Party put out a statement afterwards saying "Although the leader does not have the power to whip votes, all Green Party members of Parliament must endorse the Green Party's values, including a firm support of a woman's right to choose. There is zero chance an elected representative of our party will ever reopen the abortion debate."
Basically she said what Scheer said. Then the party contradicted their leader?
     
     
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Basically she said what Scheer said. Then the party contradicted their leader?
Scheer can whip his caucus though, can he not?
     
     
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This is a very left leaning socialist forum where liberal govts can do no wrong, I’m surprised that even 1 in 5 on here would vote conservative
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Interesting we have 15 Conservative voters here according to the poll, but I don't see anybody posting saying that's where their vote is, or why.
This is a very left leaning socialist forum where liberal govts can do no wrong, I’m surprised that even 1 in 5 on here would vote conservative.

The best thing that can happen to Alberta is another liberal majority, people here seem to be ready for the next step to take control of there own future without federal influence and to eventually reach that goal would take a huge step backwards if the conservative are voted into power.
How brainwashed do you have to be to think that all of Alberta's problems magically vanish with separation?
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