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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 6:37 PM
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I am not a liberal, sorry I don't protest anything.
You must be a conservative then. And when have one of them ever actually been ahead of the tech curve.....on anything?
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 6:38 PM
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You must be a conservative then. And when have one of them ever actually been ahead of the tech curve.....on anything?

No they only pay for the tech curve as investors

You one of the guys that believes aircraft will go electric in 25 years?
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 6:49 PM
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No they only pay for the tech curve as investors
Not really. All I see are conservatives constantly arguing about how this newfangled tech is stupid and their F-150 with truck nuts is going to rule the oil patch. That "rolling coal" is a thing, just shows you the level of degeneracy and idiocy out there.....

Conservatives have been whining about EVs and renewables all while Tesla has been quietly buying up patents and tech to set itself to be the next Apple. Heck, conservatives bitching about Solyndra is why Tesla paid their ATVM loan back early. No vision at all. It's hilarious to see Trump sucking up to Musk after Republicans trashed Tesla for so long.

At this point though, none of it matters. That battery curve is so steep, there are going to be quite a few companies and industries getting run over. And the harder they dig in on their ignorance, the deeper the wound will be when disruption comes. Personally, I am enjoying this and look forward to making bank from the trend.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 7:01 PM
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Smart conservatives invest in both sides and question everything. But Trump is just kissing up. Most conservatives hold their noses to that guy. He is really something else.

On Musk he should let someone else run the company and just sit on the sidelines. He's kind of a nutcase.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 7:19 PM
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You one of the guys that believes aircraft will go electric in 25 years?
As a pilot and aerospace engineer? No.

I am one of the guys who believes that:

1) We have seen peak car sales globally.

2) We will probably see peak oil demand in the next 5 years. Tony Seba says 1-2 year in the presentation I posted for you. But I'm a little more realistic.

3) We're about 2 years away from the inflection point on the S-curve for EV adoption.

4) We'll see almost 100% car sales as electric by 2030.

5) There are major socio-economic consequences to the coming disruption because absolutely nobody seems to be taking the threat seriously and they all see it as two decades away....
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 7:24 PM
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But Trump is just kissing up. Most conservatives hold their noses to that guy. He is really something else.
90% approval rating in the party. Trump is the GOP as far as the rest of us are concerned.

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On Musk he should let someone else run the company and just sit on the sidelines. He's kind of a nutcase.
I'm no fan of his bipolar antics. But I don't think Tesla would be anywhere near as far without him.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 7:43 PM
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At least you've moved off the whine about vehicle weight. I hope you finally understand that it's not really all that relevant to customers or reducing emissions (today).
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 8:26 PM
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At least you've moved off the whine about vehicle weight. I hope you finally understand that it's not really all that relevant to customers or reducing emissions (today).

I want lighter vehicles as it helps with handling and will also help hybrids as they try to keep up on fuel economy. It is an important topic and will be in the long term and short term even with electric auto's. All I can say is we will need a lot more than wind mills and solar panels if we wish to keep up with all the cars and trucks coming on line if they are electric. This is not going to be nearly as easy as you think. And I predict Musk will drive Tesla out of business as more companies bring EV cars to market. They better get him out.

Battery production has a long way to go still before it is what you want it to be.

People will vote for Trump as the Democrats have nothing better to offer. They really need to regroup as a party. Look for 4 more years of Trump by default unfortunately.

So what do you drive?
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 8:51 PM
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Probably drive a gas guzzling SUV or luxury car and work for Bombardier
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 9:45 PM
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Probably drive a gas guzzling SUV or luxury car and work for Bombardier
Way off. But that's par for the course here.....
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 10:03 PM
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I want lighter vehicles as it helps with handling
Watch the videos of RWD Teslas in the snow and then let's chat. Low centre of gravity does wonders for handling.

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and will also help hybrids as they try to keep up on fuel economy.
Fuel economy is even higher if the gas powertrain is eliminated entirely....

The fundamental reason why hybrids are quickly falling out of favour with car buyers is that they are frankenstein cars that have the disadvantages of both. You have to still put gas in them and do oil changes. And you still have to charge at night (if plug in). Some marginal savings on fuel costs without the acceleration and smooth ride of pure electrics isn't going to cut it. There's a reason the marketshare of hybrids have been falling ever since more capable EVs showed up on the market. Customers are voting with their wallets.



The flood of EVs coming online this year and the next will cause a cliff drop in that chart.


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And I predict Musk will drive Tesla out of business as more companies bring EV cars to market.
Will be interesting to see if that happens. Tesla has quietly bought up every company that helped them develop their highly automated production lines, the tooling, the AI and even the battery production systems. And every time they buy a company, they force them to drop existing clients. Many of these were mature companies (or successful startups) that had ties with virtually every existing automaker out there.

https://www.crunchbase.com/search/ac...s/tesla-motors

The competition is only just starting to make competitive electric vehicles. They are going to discover and face all the challenges that Tesla faced. Along the way, they'll quickly discover that Tesla has acquired the companies or patents needed to quickly solve those challenges. This is why I say Tesla is like Apple. They do the same thing.

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Battery production has a long way to go still before it is what you want it to be.
Every doubling of global li-ion production, battery prices drop by 18%. We've had over three doublings in the last 5 years and the rate is accelerating. Tesla's gigafactory alone doubled global Li-Ion production in one shot.

https://www.motor1.com/news/73568/te...ry-production/

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So what do you drive?
A compact hybrid sedan.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 10:38 PM
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Way off. But that's par for the course here.....

That's your opinion. Good to see you drive a hybrid. I do have a bad feeling about Musk. I hope he does not drive the company off the deep end as it is an American company that is doing well.

For the batteries I was referring to battery production pollution including mining, not the output and pricing.

Nice talking to you.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2020, 11:11 PM
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For the batteries I was referring to battery production pollution including mining, not the output and pricing.
This FUD talking point is being addressed by the industry too.

And of course, the best part about batteries is how easily they can be repurposed/recycled into a power storage product after the car's service life, creating another profitable industry for the EV automaker. Ultimately, once solid state batteries come along, the demand for a whole bunch of rare and/or expensive minerals goes does further.

It's not perfect, but it's a heck of a lot preferable to let emissions escalate indefinitely.

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Old Posted Feb 16, 2020, 7:58 PM
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Another new BEV coming from Hyundai-Kia, the Halo coming in 2021...


https://insideevs.com/news/398855/ki...mance-ev-2021/
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2020, 8:13 PM
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I'm going to start posting a few EV charging maps that I find to show how extensive the fast charging networks are rolling out and who is behind them...

Here in Canada it's an interesting mix of private and public although not entirely coordinated which leads to a lot of confusion...

BC Hydro (government owned) project for the province...

As of 02/2019 there were 58 DC fast chargers at 56 stations between Victoria and the Alberta border...

http://switch.bchydro.com/Explore-BCs-electric-highways
https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/...lan-1.23149684

Here's a new one funded by the towns and cities of Southern Alberta (Calgary, Medicine Hat + private partners) I've never even heard of called Peaks to Prairies. Only L2 charging though... https://peakstoprairies.ca/

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Old Posted Feb 16, 2020, 8:17 PM
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For those of you unfamiliar with Petro-state politics, Calgary is/was the corporate HQ for the Canadian oil patch. It also happens to be one of the most pro-active about its own carbon footprint. The C-Train LRT network is wind-powered and carries/carried 300,000/day during the height of the boom.

Nice to see they also have a proper EV strategy, although I am not sure how well funded or coordinated it is since I left Southern Alberta behind back around Y2K...

https://www.calgary.ca/Transportatio...-strategy.aspx
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