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[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by Tehmeh

Keefe Brasselle gave an overwrought singing performance and one of the worst Jimmy Stewart impressions you'll ever see.

Tehmeh, here's one of the first comments I came across when I googled his name:

Keefe Braselle DROVE ME NUTS! I have a video of a 1950's "Colgate Comedy Hour" TV show that he hosts,
and he makes Jerry Lewis look like a shrinking violet! He bursts on stage with this pushy and obnoxious "Hey World, look at me!
I'm Mr. ShowBiz! Aren't I GREAT?" attitude, and it doesn't get any better as the hour wears on."

I watched part of it. Yes he was annoying.



Brasselle died at age 58 in 1981 of cirrhosis.

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[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by BDiH

I think that is the L. A. International Airport. No?

It could be the airport....it looks a bit too busy for a bus station.

[montréaliste]

It's sad really. This thread will not last. There just never was much interest from the start and I predict it will wither away fast. lol

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

Inside the bus station or the airport?...The Killing 1956


https://i.pinimg.com/736x/46/4d/68/4...ey-kubrick.jpg

This is LAX--the scenes near the end of the movie involve an attempt by [eternally sneering] Hayden and Gray to leave town on American Airlines flight 808 to Boston...Hayden arguing with the ticket agent and his supervisor seen here about carrying his suitcase jammed with cash on to the DC-7, then relenting to let it be checked. Then a poodle named Sebastian--owned by an overdressed matron who speaks to it in baby-talk--creates convenient havoc...(just one suitcase falls from the baggage cart and spills its contents to the wind across the tarmac.... Note parts of the AMERICAN AIRLINES typeface behind the agents....

Btw-- I remember watching early Perry Masons and noticing that Perry, Paul, Della etc would refer to LAX as "International Airport"---not the international airport or LA International... not sure when "LAX" became the usual reference....



Freighter version of a DC-7 at International Airport....

[AlvaroLegido]

Originally Posted by montréaliste

It's sad really. This thread will not last. There just never was much interest from the start and I predict it will wither away fast. lol

This guy from out of nowhere edited on the wrong thread.

[GaylordWilshire]

Perhaps he was being facetious?

[HossC]

The comment by montréaliste reminded me that I always think of NLA when I watch one of the final episodes of MASH. They get the idea to bury a time capsule after Charles finds an article in a newspaper about someone burying one in LA. Bostonian Charles is dubious about its merits:







All 20th Century Fox Television

Was this based on a real event? Was a time capsule buried in the corner of an LA skyscraper sometime during the Korean War?

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by HossC

The comment by montréaliste reminded me that I always think of NLA when I watch one of the final episodes of MASH. They get the idea to bury a time capsule after Charles finds an article in a newspaper about someone burying one in LA. Bostonian Charles is dubious about its merits:


Was this based on a real event? Was a time capsule buried in the corner of an LA skyscraper sometime during the Korean War?

In the mid 50s the LA City Council thought that Disneyland was just an insignificant Orange County amusement park. Therefore they rejected the idea of a Disney financed monorail from LAX to Anaheim. .

[John Maddox Roberts]

Originally Posted by HossC

The comment by montréaliste reminded me that I always think of NLA when I watch one of the final episodes of MASH. They get the idea to bury a time capsule after Charles finds an article in a newspaper about someone burying one in LA. Bostonian Charles is dubious about its merits:









All 20th Century Fox Television

Was this based on a real event? Was a time capsule buried in the corner of an LA skyscraper sometime during the Korean War?

The Los Angeles Past website has a picture of three L.A. County Supervisors, including old buddy Warren Dorn, placing a time capsule in a corner of the L.A. County Courthouse - but the date given is Oct 31, 1958, well after the Korean War.

[ethereal_reality]

Have we seen this photo? (if we have I don't remember it)

I found it while looking for information on a different annex.


Hall of Records Annex


calisphere

"Hall of Records Annex from street corner of North Broadway and Court Streets [204 N. Broadway]
Headquarters of the Los Angeles County Free Library located within, ca. 1930."

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[ethereal_reality]

'mystery' annex


calisphere

The Annex

Los Angeles, Cal. : Hatfield & Potter fotografers

[ca. 1895]

Faded view of two men posed in a small open shop; shows displays of fruit (center and on outside edge of store) and cigars on a shelf (right);
man at left stands behind displays of fruit in boxes, man at right stands in front of store; "Annex" sign on frameboard facade above. [Los Angeles]; ca. 1895.

no exact location given (other than Los Angeles, of course)
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I tried to find Hatfield & Potter in the city directories to make sure this is, in fact, a Los Angeles location (I didn't find them )
when I simply tried "fotografers" there were zero hits as well.

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[HenryHuntington]

I know the subway tunnels are still intact, but what about this exit with the cool spiral stairs?

Do you think the stairs are still there but closed off?

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Going strictly from faulty memory (relevant materials are unavailable at this writing), I believe the spiral staircase and manhole cover are at Figueroa St.

The tunnels aren't completely intact, as the steel foundation pilings for the Bonaventure Hotel were driven through them. And, of course, they're also sealed at the Belmont Station end. Given the extensive redevelopment in the area, I'm not sure that the manhole cover still exists.

IIRC, the movie was shot a few days after the last line using the tunnel (Glendale-Burbank) was converted to busses on June 19, 1955. The production company had one rail crew move a couple of "Hollywood" cars as needed to meet the demands of the script.

More info re: the current status of the PE subway can be found here:
http://www.awalkerinla.com/2012/05/1...iginal-subway/

Wig-Wag, Ed Workman, et al might want to chime in here to correct, confirm and/or embellish.

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks for your help HH. I really appreciate it.



This 'archaeology' map by Militant Angeleno shows the old trolley lines and other transit related information. (he even marked the locations of surviving red cars)
check it out HERE

Originally Posted by HENRYHUNTINGTON

I believe the spiral staircase and manhole cover are at Figueroa St.

As H.H. said earlier, the subway tunnel was blocked off by the Bonaventure Hotel foundation.


detail



If you look closely there are three manhole covers within the tunnel zone.


google-earth




these three...


detail gsv

Is it possible the old emergency exit from the subway is under one of them?



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[Tourmaline]

Don't believe this is new to NLA, but for the increased size/ resolution.


Early '60s - DTLA, Harbor Freeway
https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...1960s_2000.jpg

[ethereal_reality]

the resolution is amazing tourmaline.


detail

what is this long horizontal bldg? I can't place it at the moment.
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[HossC]

I know we've seen a better picture of the buildings with the curved freeway ramps in the foreground, but I can't find it. Here's an aerial view showing the school buildings between 2nd and 3rd Streets. The 1956 CD lists the Fremont Avenue Child Care Center and Fremont Avenue Elementary School at 238 S Fremont Avenue. I don't think they lasted long after the freeway arrived next door.


Detail from picture in USC Digital Library

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks Hoss.

There doesn't appear to be many photographs of the Fremont Ave. School. (the photo below shows a corner of one of the buildings)


LAPL

"Children participate in a Spanish dance on the playground at Fremont Avenue School." [1949]

I'm a bit confused. Which direction are we looking in this photo?

I don't recognize the two building across the street (nor do I see them in Hoss' aerial)

[ethereal_reality]

Is there documentation of bodies discovered during excavation for the subway tunnel beneath old Fort Moore Hill Cemetery?


uscdiglib (I couldn't find plan 26002) mentioned in the illus above

The last bodies weren't removed until May 1947.
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Obviously they missed some. Bones were found during freeway construction.


LAPL

"Arrow points to bones of pioneer California soldier unearthed as Hollywood Freeway excavation cuts into the old Fort Moore Hill Cemetery.
Soldier had been buried in full uniform, including silver spurs. Several caskets have been exposed. Photo dated: April 2, 1951."

& if I remember correctly, bones were also found during construction of Los Angeles High School #9 in 2006!

so just imagine how many bones would have been there when they built the subway tunnels. (hopefully they didn't just cart them off without documentation)


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[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

There doesn't appear to be many photographs of the Fremont Ave. School. (the photo below shows a corner of one of the buildings)


LAPL

I'm a bit confused. Which direction are we looking in this photo?

I don't recognize the two building across the street (nor do I see them in Hoss' aerial)

The buildings were on the other side of Fremont Avenue, and were wiped out by the freeway. The one on the right was the Manor Arms at 239 S Fremont Avenue. Just out of shot to the left (or possibly already gone by 1949), but visible in the 1932 image below, is the Tartaglia Apartments at 245 S Fremont Avenue.


USC Digital Library

The photoset also includes this wider view looking down Fremont from 3rd Street.


USC Digital Library

[GaylordWilshire]

I wondered if any of these buildings--239, 241, 245--might have been moved. Looking at the base of the Tartaglia, I thought it might be being prepared for a move, but the cars did not "compute".... Seems that the year might be 1933, when, on March 9, a BP was issued for changing the entrance...those wooden steps definitely look temporary. Anyway, 15 years later, seems the Tartaglia was moved...to 1814 W Third St. The relo permit is dated Sept 10, 1948. The new location is noted as "temporary," buildings being moved often being parked for a while before moving on to a permanent location. The building seems to have remained on Third, though, becoming one of several addresses among a number of similar buildings, which all appear to have been demolished in 1973. (I was hoping that 307 S Burlington, on the corner, might have been it, but seems not....) I'm not able to access Sanborns at the moment, but they may have the goods.