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Keep Miami small by thinking small!
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2011, 7:20 PM
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Dale's right.
There's no reason we can't go for both at the same time.
Besides, imagine what a real downtown convention center will do for business in Miami.
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Unfortunately, it seems that Miami is destined to remain an overgrown, expensive tourist town -- with all the nice stuff that goes with it... low education, high crime, nearly nonexistent middle class. Fun in the sun!
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We need big and bold ideas and should never shy away from them for fear of change. Thinking big however, is not the same as thinking right. These resorts, the Genting one in particular, will not help our economy. I do not believe we can go for both as brickell suggested. One of the great hurdles we have had to overcome is that of being merely a tourist city. We need to be more than that to attract major companies and industries to drive growth. What does Las Vegas have outside of gambling? You do not see companies scrambling to set up offices there or the emergence of a strong professional class. Great cities are not built by catering to those who visit for two weeks at a time but for those who live there year-round. These resorts will offer a few thousand labor jobs but there will be some cannibalization. Our local hospitality industry is thriving now enjoying healthy bookings and rates. The resorts will so dramatically increase the supply of both hotel space and restaurants, that prices will be push downward and many existing hotels and restaurants (including many in the area that serve the surrounding community) will be forced to downsize or close down. As a city, we absolute need to think big. We have big challenges to overcome and we are going to need big ideas to get us to where we want to go. That doesn't mean that every big idea is right for us. There are a total of 0 examples of gambling being introduced into an existing community and helping the local economy. Zero. There's absolutely no reason to believe that it would do any different here. I'm not even getting into the sort of consequences to nascent movements in surrounding areas like Wynwood and the Design District. If the end game is to build a world class city, why would we emulate Las Vegas? Las Vegas is great and I'm actually visiting on my honeymoon but, when I think about what Miami can and should strive to be, I think of New York, Chicago, San Francisco. Of course, we have a lot of work to do to get there, but how many casinos did those communities build to get to where they are?
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Unfortunately, it seems that Miami is destined to remain an overgrown, expensive tourist town -- with all the nice stuff that goes with it... low education, high crime, nearly nonexistent middle class. Fun in the sun!
Well that'll teach y'all a lesson for allowing them spring break hooligans into your city ;3 lol
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Keep Miami small by thinking small!
Miami will be kept small not for it's lack of casinos, but for it's lack of mass transit alternatives. Baylink should have been done years ago, not to mention connections south and west of downtown.
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2011, 3:41 PM
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Miami will be kept small not for it's lack of casinos, but for it's lack of mass transit alternatives. Baylink should have been done years ago, not to mention connections south and west of downtown.
Who's got the money to do it ? In any case, lack of mass transit opportunities did not prevent Houston, for example, from exploding.
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Who's got the money to do it ? In any case, lack of mass transit opportunities did not prevent Houston, for example, from exploding.
Mass transit development is happening in Miami, but transit in and of itself is not holding Miami back. Though, Houston "exploded" because it has established, diverse, important industries (energy, petrochemicals, heavy and electronics manufacturing, aerospace, biomedical research) and is also a major center for corporate headquarters (over 20 Fortune 500 companies) because of those industries. Condos, hotels, and casinos don't bring any of that. Industries that require education, skilled workers, and that stimulate innovation do.

I don't consider Miami to be "small" anyway. It's just that it is not an important city nationally yet -- and a mega casino in its downtown is certainly not the answer towards helping it become one. In fact, it is a likely detractor.
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Mass transit development is happening in Miami, but transit in and of itself is not holding Miami back. Though, Houston "exploded" because it has established, diverse, important industries (energy, petrochemicals, heavy and electronics manufacturing, aerospace, biomedical research) and is also a major center for corporate headquarters (over 20 Fortune 500 companies) because of those industries. Condos, hotels, and casinos don't bring any of that. Industries that require education, skilled workers, and that stimulate innovation do.

I don't consider Miami to be "small" anyway. It's just that it is not an important city nationally yet -- and a mega casino in its downtown is certainly not the answer towards helping it become one. In fact, it is a likely detractor.
You're preaching to the choir on Houston, mass transit, etc. But I doubt that a [another] casino will deter any visitors or relocations and will likely spur both.

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You're preaching to the choir on Houston, mass transit, etc. But I doubt that a [another] casino will deter any visitors or relocations and will likely spur both.

No, I'm not a gambler.
You're totally right that a huge casino will definitely NOT deter visitors, though I doubt it will stimulate much relocation. And any relocation it does bring does nothing to break the pattern of Miami being nothing more than a tourism-based economy with low wage jobs. Miami doesn't need to attract any more unskilled, uneducated workers to staff casinos and hotels. It has a huge surplus of those already.

That's the main issue I have with banking on this casino/resort project -- and that is exactly what people down there are doing... banking that this and a mega shopping mall project in Brickell are going to be major economic boons for the city... as all of these types of "economic development" projects are touted to be, yet NEVER live up to the hype -- it just continues the cycle (in a big way) of providing many low-wage jobs to the local population, and encourages transiency... two terrible ingredients if you're trying to build an economically-strong and nationally-important city.
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Who's got the money to do it ? In any case, lack of mass transit opportunities did not prevent Houston, for example, from exploding.
Houston isn't landlocked.
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Sunny Isles Beach | Mansions at Acqualina | 643 ft | 46 fl | Proposed




Project : Mansions at Acqualina
Address: 17749 Collins Ave.,Sunny Isles Beach, FL.
Stories : 46 floors
Height : 643 feet | 196 meters
Status : Proposed | final zoning hearing for approval on Dec. 22, 2011


A South Florida developer is proposing a new 46-story luxury condo tower for a 2.3 acres oceanfront site in Sunny Isles Beach, according to a new report from CondoVultures.com.

The proposed 79-unit Mansions at Acqualina – immediately south of the existing Acqualina Ocean Residences & Resort condo at 17885 Collins Ave. – is slated to be constructed at 17749 Collins Ave. in Northeast Miami-Dade County, according to an application filed with the city of Sunny Isles Beach.

The proposed Mansion at Acqualina with nearly 427,000 square feet is scheduled to be discussed at upcoming city of Sunny Isles Beach zoning hearing on Dec. 22, 2011, according to a public notice advertised in the Miami Herald.

The newly proposed Mansions at Acqualina is one of the four condo towers planned for Sunny Isles Beach, according to recent issues of the Market Intelligence Report.

In addition to the four proposed towers in Sunny Isles Beach, developers are planning 10 new towers in Greater Downtown Miami, two new towers in Miami Beach, two new towers in Downtown West Palm Beach, one project in the Miami-Dade County city of Aventura, and one project on the sand in the city of Hollywood in Southeast Broward County, according to a recent CondoVultures.com report.

Developers are proceeding with plans for the new projects despite about 4,700 new units from the last South Florida real estate boom still remaining unsold as of Sept. 30, 2011, according to a recent CondoVultures.com report.


http://www.condovultures.com/News/Vi...les-Beach.aspx

* If approved this will be the tallest building in Sunny Isles Beach & the 5th. skyscraper over 500 ft./152m in this 1 sq. mile city.
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Houston isn't landlocked.
Larger point stands. Lack of mass-transit is not stunting Miami growth.
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3 Dominant areas of need for Miami to mature into a truly global city:

1) Economic Development (that means fostering growth in industries outside of tourism/hospitality)*

2) Education

3) Mass Transit


*Having the latter two certainly helps attract the first one, while having the first one certainly helps pay for the latter two
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Brickell CitiCentre breaks ground





Site Plan :





The Brickell loop of the downtown People Mover will run right through the project :



Although the project will cover 3 city blocks it will be connected by a second story mezzaine type walk way leaving the surface streets & sidewalks intact:









Site work for the underground parking garages :











The Metromover station that will serve Brickell Citicentre :







View to the south with the Metromover station on the left & the Four Seasons in the background :





Aerial views of the site :








Project : Brickell CitiCentre
Developer : Swire Properties of Hong Kong
Architect : Arquitectonica
Address : 601 | 700 | 701 S. Miami Ave.
# of highrises : 6
Heights : Approximate heights for Brickell Citicentre:
office #1 262'
office #2 262'
condo #1 503'
hotel 516'
condo #2 520'
office #3 634'

Status : Under construction


Hong Kong-based Swire Properties is moving forward to convert three Brickell sites into a 5 million-square-foot, mixed-use project centered on retail expected to begin construction by the second quarter of next year.
The prime Brickell sites at 601, 700 and 701 S Miami Ave. are destined for an artful mix of upscale components that are to fit well within this booming retail hub that includes the Mary Brickell Village complex and other nearby open-air shopping centers.

"It's a major project for Brickell and urban Miami," said President Stephen Owens.
The development company has hired Arquitectonica, which has designed several projects for Swire in the past, as the architectural firm to design the CitiCentre project.
"The reason why we picked Arquitectonica is because this is similar to other urban projects they have done for us in Asia," Mr. Owens noted.
Swire has developed other sophisticated urban projects of similar scale designed by the architecture firm, including Festival Walk, a multilevel shopping, dining and leisure complex with nearly 1 million square feet in Hong Kong.

The company is getting ready to open another development close to 4 million square feet known as TaiKoo Hui in mainland China that comprises a shopping mall, two office towers, a cultural center and a Mandarin Oriental hotel with residences.

"Arquitectonica has a particular talent for this," Mr. Owens said, "and they have performed well for us in projects in other areas."
Arquitectonica Founding Principal Bernardo Fort-Brescia said the firm has been working with Swire since 1993 on designing mixed-use projects in Asia and other parts of the world.
"This is a natural evolution of the relationship between architect and developer that has been building," he said. "We'll be designing this project in our hometown. It's very exciting. It will change that location and it's a historical project for Miami."

The planned Brickell development, Mr. Owens said, is to have significant retail as well as other mixed-use components.
"It brings a significant retail opportunity to the urban area," he said.
If the majority of CitiCentre's planned 5 million square feet are designated retail, it would create a giant shopping hub unlike anything in the state.
Today, Dolphin Mall in Doral has about 1.4 million square feet of retail space, while Sawgrass Mills Mall in Sunrise, considered the second largest mall in the state, has almost 2.4 million square feet of retail.

Swire, which has been developing Brickell Key for decades, bought the first two sites at 700 and 701 S Miami Ave. more than two years ago from iStar Financial for $41.3 million cash.

Last August, the company erected signs for the project on the 5.65-acre land, but at the time executives didn't publicly discuss development plans.
Those two parcels are along Miami Avenue, bordered by Southeast Eighth and Seventh streets. The parcels are boxed in on the west by Southwest First Avenue and to the east by the Eighth Street Metromover Station.
Earlier this month, Swire acquired a third 2-acre site at 601 S Miami Ave., which houses the Brickell Tennis Club, for $14 million from an affiliate of Millennium Partners, the developer of Brickell's Four Seasons Hotel & Tower, whose project plans for the parcel never took off.

Brickell has been bursting with pedestrian activity after 5 p.m. since the addition of multiple condominiums in recent years. The growing condo community and office population are fueling more demand for retailers, eateries and entertainment venues within walking distance.
Swire promoted Christopher Gandolfo, who has been with the company 12 years, to vice president of development in late 2010 to focus on its local projects.

He rejoined the Miami team after spending two years working for parent Swire Properties Limited in Shanghai.
Mr. Owens said he couldn't provide more CitiCentre details because plans are still underway for this large-scale complex.
But he did add that this mixed-use project "will be a significant game-changer for Brickell and urban Miami."


www.miamitodaynews.com


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If the height of the towers hold true upon completion of this project Miami will add four more towers over 500 ft./152 m bringing Miami's total from 27 to 31. This project fills a badly needed voided in the downtown/Brickell district after the large amount of condos built in the area & a short supply of amenities nearby. The project will go vertical in May after the completion of the underground garages in May.
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WOW! 190 Views since I posted the groundbreaking of the Brickell CitiCentre project and not one comment on it all from SSP forumers. I guess having a billion dollar project break ground isn't newsworthy anymore. Anyways thanks to those who at least viewed.
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Any word on when Brickell City Centre is supposed to be done?
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Wow, Brickell City Centre breaking ground is pretty amazing news. I love it for Miami mainly because it brings so many glass towers to the skyline. It should help break up a lot of that painted concrete.

Do you know if they're phasing this in, or building all at once?
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WOW! 190 Views since I posted the groundbreaking of the Brickell CitiCentre project and not one comment on it all from SSP forumers. I guess having a billion dollar project break ground isn't newsworthy anymore. Anyways thanks to those who at least viewed.
"Billion" dollar project or not, an Arquitectonica-designed "urban lifestyle center" in downtown Miami... snooze. Another shopping mall/hotel/condo/office humongo complex doesn't do much for me in Miami -- been there, done that all over South Florida and this is just the latest massive iteration of that same tired theme. In other cities which already possess the scale, institutions, spaces, and amenities that comprise a cool, urban environment, a Brickell Citicentre type development would be most welcome and novel -- but adding more and more and more of the same (albeit in a much larger context) to Miami elicits yawns.

I'll definitely check it out and I'm sure think it's cool when it's finished, but it's tough for me to get too excited about something like this now. I'm just happy that they're not going to demolish Tobacco Road and the block of old buildings that actually provide some unique character to the Brickell area.
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