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So whats the current status, is the project 100% happening?

Considering a move to Ottawa and this all seems very interesting
Nope. Not 100% yet. As stated earlier:

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Kristmanson said the NCC and the RendezVous LeBreton Group hope to have a master development agreement done by mid-2019.
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So whats the current status, is the project 100% happening?

Considering a move to Ottawa and this all seems very interesting
Plan is still in the negotiating phase of this. Some things have been approved (like Trinity Station) other things will leave people wondering until we hear for sure (like the arena).

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Plan is still in the negotiating phase of this. Some things have been approved (like Trinity Station) other things will leave people wondering until we hear for sure (like the arena).
Trinity Centre @ Bayview Stn is not part of the LeBreton Flats project.
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Seems like Ottawa might be the perfect fit to implement this concept. This could create more mid-income seating that could fit well in our government town market to compensate for the lack of interest in luxury boxes.

The arena design accounts for between 16,500 and 19,000 seats.

The Inverted Bowl by Rossetti SM

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The website claims an 18% smaller building footprint and patrons will be 50% closer to the event. It also claims that it uses 22% less steel tonnage which contributes to 15% lower construction costs.

And here's a quote that speaks to the LeBreton Flats situation:

URBAN CONTEXT
Unlike most arenas, The Inverted Bowl is meant to seamlessly integrate into urban environments. It can fit within city block units as a result of the smaller footprint and perimeters will allow for programmed spaces. Public funding for venues is rapidly declining, and that trend will continue for the foreseeable future. They must be smaller and faster to construct with lower construction and materials investment required.


http://theinvertedbowl.com/

Few articles about this new concept with more renderings.

https://www.architectmagazine.com/te...ng-hierarchy_o
https://www.thestadiumbusiness.com/2...arena-concept/
https://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/i...uld_bring.html

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^^^Interesting idea. Would certainly make for a very loud arena.
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^^^ Cool idea. Would not surprise me at all if this is what they are planning for Ottawa, since Rossetti is Rendezvous Lebreton's stadium architecture partner (and the architect of the CTC).
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^^^ Cool idea. Would not surprise me at all if this is what they are planning for Ottawa, since Rossetti is Rendezvous Lebreton's stadium architecture partner (and the architect of the CTC).
Given how new the idea is, it may not have been in their original plan, but that could change. I can't see the NCC objecting to the stadium using a smaller footprint. Having a smaller object in the way would make the area more livable.

With this design I expect all of the upper decks to have a similar, vertigo inducing slope that we see in the upper 300s at the CTC. I don't have a problem with it, but I know many do.
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Seems like Ottawa might be the perfect fit to implement this concept. This could create more mid-income seating that could fit well in our government town market to compensate for the lack of interest in luxury boxes.

The arena design accounts for between 16,500 and 19,000 seats.

The Inverted Bowl by Rossetti SM

Video Link




The website claims an 18% smaller building footprint and patrons will be 50% closer to the event. It also claims that it uses 22% less steel tonnage which contributes to 15% lower construction costs.

And here's a quote that speaks to the LeBreton Flats situation:

URBAN CONTEXT
Unlike most arenas, The Inverted Bowl is meant to seamlessly integrate into urban environments. It can fit within city block units as a result of the smaller footprint and perimeters will allow for programmed spaces. Public funding for venues is rapidly declining, and that trend will continue for the foreseeable future. They must be smaller and faster to construct with lower construction and materials investment required.


http://theinvertedbowl.com/

Few articles about this new concept with more renderings.

https://www.architectmagazine.com/te...ng-hierarchy_o
https://www.thestadiumbusiness.com/2...arena-concept/
https://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/i...uld_bring.html
Reminds me a bit of what was proposed in 2013 for the new Seattle arena:
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NCC in brief: Key meeting looms for LeBreton Flats development

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: September 18, 2018


The clock is ticking on the RendezVous LeBreton project as the National Capital Commission needs to make some important decisions on the landmark development, NCC chief executive officer Mark Kristmanson said Tuesday.

The development, which is backstopped by Ottawa Senators owner Eugene Melnyk and the Trinity group, includes a new arena, mixed residential buildings and other amenities. The prime piece of downtown real estate is owned by the federal government and managed by the NCC, which will have have the RendezVous LeBreton project on the agenda of its next board meeting.

“The meeting in November will be an important one for the RendezVous LeBreton project as we work through this month with the promoters to answer all the questions necessary for the board to make some key decisions for the winter and spring of 2019,” Kristmanson said.

“So far, all of our teams are meeting all of the milestone objectives,” Kristmanson told reporters after Tuesday’s meeting of the NCC board of directors. “They have a very strong vision and everybody is trying to support it.”

Among the pressing issues the commission faces are negotiations with the Algonquin First Nation upon whose traditional territory the development will be built as well as work required to decontaminate the once heavily industrialized area.

The NCC chose the RendezVous LeBreton team in April 2016 and continues to work on finalizing a master development agreement.

“All of these things are complex in and among themselves to keep the development on track, so November is an important milestone for many of these decisions,” Kristmanson said.



The NCC’s Urbanism Lab lecture series turns five years old this year, and the commission has laid out an impressive series of talks for the 2018-19 season.

The first talk on Sept. 25 is titled Walk this Way: Designing a Pedestrian Paradise, and it will feature Cynthia Nikitin, senior vice-president for New York’s Project for Public Spaces, Rene Daoust and Réal Lestage, designers of Montreal’s popular Place des festivals, and Ron Redmond, executive director of the Church Street Marketplace in Burlington, Vt.

Gardens and Healthy Cities is the theme of the second talk on Oct. 30.

In November, Beyond Green Buildings will look at how urban planning can help urban areas deal with the pressures brought on by a changing climate.

The City and the Brain is the title of December’s talk. It will examine how neuroscience influences our experience of public space and why we love some places and loathe others.

Subjects in the new year include “Breathing Life into Old Buildings,” “Fantastic Trees and Where to Find Them” and “Metropolitan Governance and Big Data.”

Find out more about the series at ncc-ccn.gc.ca



Skating season on the Rideau Canal Skateway is shrinking and the NCC wants to know more about what it can do about it. The commission will study the impact of climate change on the canal as part of its Sustainable Development Strategy, approved Tuesday by the NCC board of directors.

“If you look at the graph of the canal season since its inceptions in the early 70s, it validates the thesis of climate change,” chief executive officer Mark Kristmanson said. “It can go up and down, but there is a general downward trajectory toward a shorter and shorter skating seasons.”

The longest skating season on record is 90 days in 1971-72, the canal’s second year as an official skateway. The shortest season was 34 days in 2015-16.

“We’ve developed quite a knowledge base in ice. We’ve become pretty good at extending the season beyond what it was in previous decades,” Kirstmanson said.

“This study will look at mitigation and techniques to prolong the life of the Rideau Canal Skateway, but it will also look at other kinds of solutions to prolong its centrality as an attraction.”

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Sounds a little more positive than what we've heard from the NCC over the last year or so.
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Ottawa residents ‘anxious’ about LeBreton Flats: Poll
Business group calls for regular updates on multibillion-dollar project after survey points to widespread ‘concern’ about plan’s long-term prospects

By: David Sali, OBJ
Published: Sep 19, 2018 10:06am EDT


A group of Ottawa business and community leaders is calling for more “transparency” in the LeBreton Flats redevelopment process after six in 10 residents in a recent poll said they are skeptical the multibillion-dollar project will ever see the light of day.

Fifteen per cent of the 600 people surveyed in late August said they believed the LeBreton Flats proposal, which would include a new NHL arena for the Senators as its centrepiece, will never happen or is unlikely to happen. Another 47 per cent said they believe the project “might or might not happen.”

Those results worry local business leaders.

“People are very anxious about the club and about LeBreton Flats,” said Doug McLarty, a partner at MNP Ottawa and the co-chair of the Capital Build Task Force, which commissioned the survey.

“There’s a lot of concern about the conflicting information that we’re receiving in the community about LeBreton.”

McLarty said the task force wants the consortium behind the plan, the RendezVous LeBreton Group backed by Senators owner Eugene Melnyk and Trinity Development’s John Ruddy, to post regular updates informing the public when key milestones have been met – such as when all the financing is in place and when the city has approved all the necessary zoning requirements at the 21-hectare site owned by federal government.

“We want to see progress, and we want transparency,” he said.

McLarty said Melnyk is “causing angst” among many Ottawans with apparently contradictory statements about the team’s future.

Late last year, Melnyk publicly mused about the possibility of moving the NHL franchise if its bottom line didn’t improve, but he quickly backtracked and said he had no intention of selling or moving the team.

Then in April, Mayor Jim Watson questioned whether Melnyk was serious about the downtown arena plan after the Senators owner told a gathering of fans the project had “tremendous risk” and the team was doing “OK” in Kanata.

Following a meeting with top city officials in August, Melnyk said he was “very confident” the $4-billion LeBreton proposal will go forward, but added the situation remained “fluid.”

McLarty said such “mixed messaging” is damaging the perception of a “transformative” real estate project that has widespread public support.

Nearly eight in 10 residents polled in August said they are in favour of the LeBreton proposal, with 60 per cent saying the project is so important they’d support NHL commissioner Gary Bettman stepping in to make sure it got done.

“The impression people get is there isn’t a commitment to the city and to the Ottawa region (from Melnyk),” he said. “We need that from him. If he’s concerned about the value of his franchise, he should be motivated to get that thing on to LeBreton Flats as quickly as possible and to pick up market share from Gatineau and Orléans that he’s not getting.”

The National Capital Commission and RendezVous LeBreton reached a deal in principle in January on the plan to redevelop LeBreton Flats, which has sat empty for decades. In addition to a new arena for the Senators, the multi-stage proposal would also include a community centre, 4,000 housing units and public spaces.

RendezVous LeBreton officials have said they hope to start construction next year, with a targeted arena opening date in 2023.

The Capital Build Task Force, a subcommittee of the Ottawa Board of Trade that includes members from various local industries as well as academics and representatives of First Nations groups, is pushing for major infrastructure projects such as LeBreton Flats, light rail and a new Ottawa Hospital.

The survey, conducted by local firm Abacus Data from Aug. 21-25, has a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

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Public hungry for news of LeBreton Flats development proposal, poll says

Tom Spears
Updated: September 19, 2018


Ottawa residents — and especially Senators fans — are frustrated by a lack of information about the development of LeBreton Flats and are starting to worry that a new arena for the National Hockey League will be delayed, a new poll says.

There is broad support for the NHL to become involved in the project to ensure it doesn’t miss its propsed target of opening in the fall of 2023, the poll found.

The survey was commissioned by a subcommittee of the Ottawa Board of Trade called the Capital Build Task Force. It promotes development of LeBreton Flats, the ByWard Market, a train linking Gatineau and Ottawa, the new Civic Hospital and an east-end federal office complex.

The survey found that:

• Forty-two per cent of those polled feel LeBreton redevelopment is behind schedule, while 22 per cent feel it is on schedule. The rest aren’t sure.

• Seventy-nine per cent agreed with the statement: “If Eugene Melnyk doesn’t stop dragging his feet on the LeBreton project, the business community in Ottawa should rally together and do whatever necessary to get the project moving on time.” Melnyk is the owner of the Senators franchise and a major figure in the RendezVous LeBreton development group.

• Sixty per cent overall — and 67 per cent of those who say they are Senators fans — agreed that the NHL and commissioner Gary Bettman should “get involved” with moving the project ahead “if Eugene Melnyk continues to be a hurdle.” The question does not define with involvement the NHL might have.

Doug McLarty, co-chair of the Capital Build Task Force, said his group wanted Rendezvous LeBreton to provide more information about its progress to the public. LeBreton “is one of those critical infrastructure projects that we need to get done,” he said.

“We wanted to do the polling to find out what the level of support was in the community” for developing LeBreton, “and you can see from the polling results that it is just off the charts.”

Bettman has been bluntly telling the community that the arena needs to be built in the city core, and the NHL has been effective at delivering this message around the league, McLarty said.

“The RendezVous LeBreton proposal articulated a meticulous business case for residential, retail and mixed-amenities that support the creation of five new neighbourhoods in LeBreton Flats,” he said. “That is why the bid won the competition in the first place. Now is the moment to get this done.”

He said building an arena at LeBreton Flats would serve Gatineau and east-end Ottawa residents better. Many Gatineau fans travel to Montreal rather than to Kanata to see NHL games, he said.

He said the task force blended people from all sectors of Ottawa and Gatineau, “so this isn’t about just the Board of Trade acting on behalf of business interests.”

The survey was conducted online with 600 Ottawa adults between Aug. 21 and 25. A random sample of panelists were invited from LegerWeb, which pays participants to do surveys online. Results are considered accurate within four percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
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They've been "in talks" or "negotiating" for about 2.5 years now... yet we still have no clue as to what's been approved/agreed upon or what is still being worked on. It's really a shame that this is another project that's taking WAY too long and that is way too "secretive".

If the arena is supposed to open in 2022, when are we to expect shovels in the ground?
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They've been "in talks" or "negotiating" for about 2.5 years now... yet we still have no clue as to what's been approved/agreed upon or what is still being worked on. It's really a shame that this is another project that's taking WAY too long and that is way too "secretive".

If the arena is supposed to open in 2022, when are we to expect shovels in the ground?
Considering how long it took to build CTC on a greenfield site, I highly doubt we will see a 2022 opening. We haven't even seen environmental clean-up yet.


At the moment, it is more likely 2025 or bust and I would doubt even that.
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They've been "in talks" or "negotiating" for about 2.5 years now... yet we still have no clue as to what's been approved/agreed upon or what is still being worked on. It's really a shame that this is another project that's taking WAY too long and that is way too "secretive".

If the arena is supposed to open in 2022, when are we to expect shovels in the ground?
Its a disaster; its having an impact on the ottawa senators business and is likely the source of most the uncertainty regarding the team.

IF melnyk was arranging a sale, he's waiting to get this piece in place.

If he's not, he needs to get down there asap.

Either way, this hold up is a serious detriment to the business side of this team, although likely very temporarily.

I don't know if this is the NCC moving at its traditional snails pace, or if its Melnyk trying to get financing pieces in place or if its both or something else altogether but it's very unfortunate.

Next meeting in November...
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621 days later, NCC handed LeBreton developers 48-hour deadline to sign arena deal

Kelly Egan, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: October 10, 2018


There is an unwelcome — indefensible, actually — cone of silence over the progress of planning for LeBreton Flats, possibly the biggest city-building exercise some of us will ever live through.

(Rivalled only by the communications Kremlin around LRT, or Long Rumoured Train, where the only real news is “not this year, stupid.”)

So we’ll parse any LeBreton update we can find.

In a response to a request under access laws, the National Capital Commission has released an interesting letter sent to the RendezVous LeBreton Group — with Trinity Development Group boss John Ruddy and Ottawa Senators owner Eugene Melnyk — as principals.

The timing here is important. RendezVous was announced as the preferred proponent on April 28, 2016. The letter from the NCC is written 621 days later.

In-between, the Crown corporation and private partnership were negotiating the terms of an agreement in principle for a massive $4-billion project. So, it was signed, sealed, delivered by January 2018, surely? Oh, bless your sunny optimism.

In a letter dated Jan. 8, NCC chief executive Mark Kristmanson wrote to both parties giving them a 48-hour deadline to sign and return the “term sheet” that would be the basis for the final agreement, still being worked on.

“I respectively request that you please return three (3) executed copies of the Term Sheet by no later than 12 noon on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 (the “Deadline”). We note that we have already received a counterpart of the Term Sheet signed by Mr. Ruddy on behalf of Trinity Development Group Inc.”

The word Deadline, indeed, was in bold.

He goes on to explain that Jan. 10 is a drop-dead date because the full board of the NCC was meeting on Jan. 24 and 25 and, according to its internal bylaws, commissioners had to be given materials several days in advance of the staff briefing. Not only that, but the “memorandum of understanding” to work out these very terms had run out on Dec. 31, 2017.

But, after nearly two years of discussion, a couple of weeks here or there didn’t matter? Kristmanson made it plain this was not a gentle suggestion but a demand.

“If, however, RLG does not return a fully executed copy of the Term Sheet prior to the Deadline, the briefing materials will serve to advise the Board that the NCC was unable to reach agreement with RLG on the key business issues that would be necessary to pursue any further engagement with RLG in connection with the redevelopment of LeBreton Flats, and to consider, evaluate and pursue next steps in the procurement process.”

If there was any doubt, the closing paragraph of the three-page letter underlines the point with the final clause “but if RLG is not prepared to execute and deliver the Term Sheet by the Deadline, I am equally prepared to recommend alternative options to our Board for consideration.”

Taken in isolation, the letter might be dismissed as nothing. The parties did sign, after all. (Indeed, the NCC is calling the letter “routine communication.”)

So what’s the big deal? Well, fill in the picture a little bit.

In January 2017, Senators president and CEO Cyril Leeder — the team’s longest-serving, best-liked executive — was suddenly let go, with the club in early negotiations with the NCC. He is replaced by Tom Anselmi, who arrives with the big rep from Toronto’s Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, including steering the building of the Air Canada Centre.

With LeBreton in the pipeline, a perfect match? Not really. On Feb. 9, 2018, not two weeks after the NCC announced an agreement in principle with RLG, Anselmi is let go, only 13 months into the job. Now comes June, and the Senators hire as chief operating officer Nicolas Ruszkowski, a former hospital vice-president and nice guy who has never worked for a professional sports franchise.

And, finally, to complete our trip down memory lane: On Sept. 12, the Senators invited a number of media to talk about their on-ice rebuild. Melnyk made himself scarce but did answer one question from senior editor Christina Spencer about LeBreton.

“Things change every day,” he said. “We do have concerns that we’ve expressed. These are very, very, very serious concerns. I don’t want to overstate or understate, but they are mission-critical that we resolve them.”

We know some things are happening. The city of Ottawa has received applications for both official plan and zoning amendments for LeBreton and planners are now reviewing them before a public release.

But think of it: Sept. 12, the date of Melnyk’s last update on L’Affaire LeBreton, is more than 28 months after RLG was chosen as the preferred proponent. How can this not be locked, loaded and ready to launch?

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That's pretty freakin' terrifying!
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That's pretty freakin' terrifying!
It definitely is! As the weeks and months roll past, I am starting to wonder if this project will ever take off at this rate. I'm just as concerned and anxious about this as the rest of the City of Ottawa right now.
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It definitely is! As the weeks and months roll past, I am starting to wonder if this project will ever take off at this rate. I'm just as concerned and anxious about this as the rest of the City of Ottawa right now.
I'm not sure the rest of the city is overly anxious.
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