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Old Posted Jul 23, 2013, 12:19 PM
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I Magnin's at 6340 Hollywood Blvd. (Ivar Ave)

Circa, 1930 An ominous sky portending . . .
They closed this store when they moved to the one on Wilshire Blvd. just a few blocks west of Bullocks Wilshire.
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1916 - Ideal Homes in Garden Communities, by Garden City Company of California. The founding member, Francis Pierpont Davis, was an architect and 1932 Gold Medal Olympian in sailing. Davis specialized in residential architecture as well as schools and churches in the LA area. He may be remembered on this thread as the designer of the Normandie Village and the French Village. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2838

Garden City Co's 1916 publication sums up the state of So Cal residential architecture as follows:

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In the first several decades of the 20th century, Southern California offered real estate developers a golden opportunity to embrace the "City Beautiful" movement and make a killingl. Architects and builders capitalized not only on the great social and cultural awareness promoted by their professional peers, but in the daily and monthly publications consumed by the general public. California had a cachet all its own as the movie industry captured the attention of Americans from coast to coast. And it was perfect for year around garden living. http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/plan...y-co/index.htm



Some of the plans - - (Templates for many of the residences posted as part of this thread? )


Spanish Revival - Open Plan
http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/img/16gccc-23.jpg



Bungalow Cottage
http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/img/16gccc-1.jpg


Another Bungalow
http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/img/16gccc-95.jpg


Low Profile California Modern
http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/img/16gccc-74.jpg


Clipped Gable California Bungalow. (A personal favorite of Clarke G?)
http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/img/16gccc-30.jpg


English Revival
http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/img/16gccc-3.jpg


Prairie Style
http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/img/16gccc-22.jpg


Italian Renaissance
http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/img/16gccc-25.jpg


Strange Bungalow

http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/img/16gccc-93.jpg


Spanish revival
http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/plan...o/design80.htm


Two Story English Style
http://www.antiquehomestyle.com/img/16gccc-84.jpg
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No surprise Francis Pierpont Davis (and brother Walter) were responsible for designing place where folk could contemplate pax romana in their togas and walk to the bowl: the Roman Gardens Apartment Courts 2035 Highland Blvd.


Circa 1930
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JQJPPRPJ6Q.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...T1T3QHS3IC.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...5FC555K96J.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...MIQK1B1SX2.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...DU3YQD4N6B.jpg

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Very close to "Molly's" / "The Curb" was the Hollywood Legion Stadium. 1628 El Centro Avenue. It's been mentioned before but only in passing. As noted below, it was built and rebuilt and torn down.

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4643 Los Feliz Blvd., 1929 & 2011

This is a view of an apartment living room. The seams in the carpet are fairly obvious (e.g., right foreground); not sure what's up with that:

Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/2786/rec/7

The lobby:

Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/2787/rec/8

Another view of the lobby, looking down from the staircase in the prior photo; the front door is just off the right edge of the photo:

Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/2788/rec/9

And the outside:

Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/2790/rec/10

The street number looks to me like 4543, not 4643:


And now for a 2011 drive-by in the Googlemobile. Not many buildings have so much decorative detail down the side:

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1909 Charles Z. Bailey photograph of Los Angeles looking northwest from 4th and Broadway Sts.
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http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2007660430/
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Everyone has probably seen this photo of an interesting operating theater with stadium seating at the old County Hospital, taken when it was newly opened...

(DWP Photo Collection at WaterAndPower.org)

Had some time at lunch today, so I went up and looked. Sure enough, there it was:


At some point they clearly added a more sophisticated illumination system and removed whatever those wall mounted devices were, but it's largely the same. I would have taken a picture from the same point as the original but...



If you think those seats look steep, you're right. They're pretty scary to navigate. The steps leading from tier to tier are nearly ladder-steep, and the railings are uncomfortably low. If you fell backwards while climbing them, you'd likely fall all the way down and die of a cracked skull. Clearly this was designed and built in the old days, before safety was invented.
This seating is just like the top of the St. Louis Arena where the Blues used to play.

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You can go inside this place on the L.A. Noire video game, and even climb in the boxing ring.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2013, 3:57 PM
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Urbanas has been looking for a photo of the 200 block of Main Street depicting Tally's - the Lyric - or Glockner's Automatic Theater. (262 S. Main St.) http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=15640

This is the first image that comes to mind. I've unsuccessfully tried to repost this as an enlargement with the detail it deserves. For others more adept with the 'SC conundrum, perhaps you can identify what is being advertised on the big neon toward the upper left side of the image? This might be helpful in locating additional neighborhood images and possibly something with the Tally's-Lyric-Glockner likeness.

Source indicates 1918, but I suspect it's earlier. (Hint: to the left and above the awning)

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0










Tally-Tally-Tally (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Lincoln_Tally)

"Tally's Edison Phonograph and Vitascope Parlour"



"Tally's on Spring Street, Summer 1896." (Presumably 311 S. Spring)
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpresse...b2gw_00024.gif

The Corbett Fight? Could have been the Corbett-Courney fight (1894) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corbett...he_Kinetograph or the Corbett-Fitzsimmons fight (1896). The latter is a story unto itself and includes names "Earp" and "Masterson." It is alleged to be the longest film of the time and possibly the first "feature" film having been released in 1897. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cor...zsimmons_Fight This is significant, because it likely dates the image below to the same time frame - 1897. That date would likely fix the location of Tally's business at 311 S Spring Street. (Scholars claim Tally moved in 1900 to 338 Spring and eventually to 262 Spring in 1902. http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/19875) The image below, offers a wonderful glimpse into 20th century technology, begetting many off-the-wall observations and questions.


Viewing is on the left, listening appears to be on the right. The viewers are backed by shelving? Mirrored shelving? The listening area is adorned with framed landscapes. Assume the place was electrified, no cranks.


The listening area seems equipped with Edison "wax cylinder" phonographs. One might assume each phonograph had "discrete" ear phones. But what is going on with the framed pieces, canted above the "eagles?" Are they covers, reflectors, mirrors? The presence of speakers is not obvious, although I think one can discern the presence of ear phones on the first machine. Could these deliberately placed framed items be part of a primitive sound system?

What is the sign "X P_YS" (behind Fred Ott's head on the left) all about? A means of purchasing multiple plays, e.g., 1 cent per play or 6 plays for 5 cents?

Mammoth Projecting Kinetoscope. How many seats might fit behind that curtain? How often was the film projected, whenever there was an audience?


What's the device to the right of the image that vaguely looks like a cross between an undersized door and a Victorian soda dispenser? Is it a piece of furniture or possibly a a penny arcade game? (From the smaller image below the Corbett pic, it looks as thought there is a large megaphone attached.)

Who when and where were concessions added?


Tally was reportedly based in Waco Texas when he began buying Kinetoscopes from Edison. http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpresse...3&brand=eschol



http://thedayintech.files.wordpress..../04/inside.jpg


http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpresse...b2gw_00025.jpg

An unidentified Kinetoscope Parlor - 1895 (Significance of Bicycle?? Human Dynamo = Generation of Electricity?)
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpresse...b2gw_00015.jpg

Kinetoscope and Phonograph. (Think of the possibilities!)
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpresse...b2gw_00016.jpg




Edison's projecting kinetoscope. Mammoth?
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpresse...b2gw_00062.jpg









http://farm1.staticflickr.com/204/48...4b92b22d_o.jpg



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Tonight at Tally's Phonograph Parlor, 311 South Spring St, for the first time in Los Angeles, the great Corbett and Courthey prize fight will be reproduced upon a great screen through the medium of this great and marvelous invention. The men will be seen on the stage, life size, and every movement made by them in this great fight will be reproduced as seen in actual life. http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpresse...9&brand=eschol
http://bioscopic.files.wordpress.com...ographteam.jpg



326 S Spring Street

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7...ringsthuge.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img837/2369/a...iescaferes.jpg

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6...326sosprin.jpg

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Casa Blanca Nanatorium

Equally fascinated by her, I was curious about the nanatorium:

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An interesting photograph from 1927. I'm fascinated by this women for some reason.


http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=41764

Woman in front of the Isham house in Summerland, on the ocean, built in 1927. Designed by George Washington Smith in the Islamic style. View is of the courtyard area with glimpses of the building on each side
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Actually, the Isham estate was located in a small beach community called Sandyland, between Carpinteria and Padaro Beach. It was a Great Gadsby kind of place from the 20's; located on a sand spit separated from the world by a pristine estuary. The main house burned down ages ago, leaving only the magnificent nanatorium standing. Today, this building is surrounded by an Islamic style Plan Unit Development.
Still beautiful, if access-restricted. Anyone buddies with a Casa Blanca resident??


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Communist Tangent...

The burned tower in the center of this photo reminded me of something - couldn't put my finger on it. Then I realized it was a spittin' image of the unbuilt Tatlin Tower, aka Monument to the Third International.

At least that's what I see - maybe others just see a charred pile of wood. The mind does wander...


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Around the Edges

Okay, tangent over...
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Thank you Chuckaluck, Ethereal_reality and Godzila for your amazing material about the Electric Theater 262 South Main Street. Watching the pictures I understand that there were both individual Kinetoscopes and a projecting Kinetoscope on a screen for many seats....do you believe so?
If I had to visit LAon the search of more pictures and materials, what would be the Archieves that I should visit there? Is that interesting or everything is available online nowadays? Congrats to all of you for your incredible efficiency!!!!!
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2013, 7:45 PM
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Gimme a "K"
All from USC Digital




From an era long ago and almost forgotten.

The Wilshire Tower - Desmond says to Molly er Silverwood . ."Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da" .

10 -15 years later in the '40s:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8021/7...39844318_o.jpg




http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11835





But in the beginning . . .

Circa 1930 - The hanging light fixture, alone, was worth the visit. (Whereabouts now? Other photos?)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...PIMEHIPVSK.jpg




http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...FPIE4NVBRN.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...6BEHJD4SFM.jpg

Please turn to the left.
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...5CF31TY8TD.jpg



And one more
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LQM8M3NM43.jpg



And open.
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...QA3NM25M8Q.jpg

Wider
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...UIJQT9XXVM.jpg



Hold it!
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...FTL7ATYUKE.jpg



Rinse and turn
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...TS33BHLCV3.jpg



Trim?
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...MVRJ8HXVNN.jpg






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Thank you! Another savable building. I always wondered what it started out as. The original verticals are wonderful. It's great how the (brass/chrome?) piping emerges from the facade and then passes behind the display windows, repeating the lines above the entrance canopy. Plus another expanse of mysterious and glamorous glass brick. The row of little buttons along the roofline is delightful. All in all, a really nicely integrated design.

(I wish someone would politely explain to the city that street trees should be planted between facades, if at all possible, and not smack in front of them.)

P.S. It's great too to see the old "Desmond's" sign just to the north. And here's the store:
(Looks like Myer Siegel had some signage up at this point)

usc digital library


duke university digital libraries

(I wonder if this sign was sited on the Miracle Mile or in Santa Monica. Pretty naughty either way.)











"IN THE CENTER OF THINGS!" (Billboard not to scale or artist had impaired vision.)



http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...3VTFUCEDJH.jpg



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http://thedayintech.files.wordpress..../04/inside.jpg

What is the sign "X P_YS" (behind Fred Ott's head on the left) all about? A means of purchasing multiple plays, e.g., 1 cent per play or 6 plays for 5 cents?
That probably says "X-RAYS". Just a guess, but the text above it that starts with LD or ED, possibly says "EDISON".
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Forum friends, a belated (and very guilt ridden) hello!

I've missed this place and apologize for my long absence. Last year I was spending so much time exploring the wonders of Noirish Los Angeles (both this forum and the city itself!) that I was neglecting some things...then I lost two family members and suddenly my attention was focused elsewhere. I logged in a few times to browse new contributions but there has been so much new content...I felt I'd lost my momentum here and that it would take months to catch up.

Anyway, here I am, still alive and enjoying Los Angeles. My wife and I still do hikes and city walks, but our big thing lately has been bicycling around L. A., often at night. Naturally, we've passed by hundreds of buildings and places discussed here, and it's been interesting to re-experience these locales by night, by bike.

A couple of "new" (to me at least) areas have piqued my interest. Colorado Street in Eagle Rock has a lot of interesting noirish architecture and seems to merit exploration and research. There are some great old motels and restaurants that look like they're straight out of the 40's and 50's. Another area that really intrigues me is Santa Fe St., downtown, which I think has been covered here a bit. It seems to have a lot of interesting old buildings and I believe this is one of the oldest streets in DTLA. I would like to know more about it and if I can get of my butt and contribute here again, Santa Fe St. seems a good topic.

But for now I mainly wanted to reintroduce myself, and say hello to ER and my other friends here. I don't know if I'll ever get through all the pages that passed me by here but having re-appeared finally, I look forward to seeing at least some of what I've missed over the last year. Hi again, everyone!
I look forward to seeing your finds on Colorado and Santa Fe. I missed your kind of posts (out of towners can't compete...). Those on the Rosslyn Hotel tunnel were among the bests at Noirish. I was waiting eagerly the results of this complicated attempt... as everyone of us I guess.
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Thank you Chuckaluck, Ethereal_reality and Godzilla for your amazing material about the Electric Theater 262 South Main Street. Watching the pictures I understand that there were both individual Kinetoscopes and a projecting Kinetoscope on a screen for many seats....do you believe so?
If I had to visit LAon the search of more pictures and materials, what would be the Archives that I should visit there? Is that interesting or everything is available online nowadays? Congrats to all of you for your incredible efficiency!!!!!


Remember the interior photos of Tally's are most likely from 311 S. Spring Street - a few years before Tally moved his operation to 262 Spring. IF, as we are told, the "262" address was deliberately built to show "Flickers," the exact floor plan is anyone's guess. Even if we saw a blueprint, who is to say it could not have been changed depending upon public demand. It is pure speculation that there was an anteroom followed by a curtained screening area. An anteroom could have likely accommodated "personal" revenue-producing kinetoscopes. It is also possible the business was situated like more traditional theaters with the screening area defined by a solid partition.

While the 262 Spring address could have been the first purpose-built movie theater in Los Angeles . . . or the world, the actual layout may not have been revolutionary. Remember, movies-flickers-vitagraphs were commercially exhibited at preexisting vaudeville venues, i.e., movie theaters without movies. I wonder whether Tally's offered musical accompaniment? That might necessitate a stage, or an orchestra pit or an area for the piano-organ.

I would bet James J. Jeffries knows the answers, but he's not saying!




I will defer to others who may have visited the archives you reference. As more information/illustrations become available on line, you might be able to locate most of the same things from your desk and become your own guide. I cannot speak intelligently about what you might see at any LA-archive repositories. I would expect them to be more like libraries than artifact displaying museums. Also some of the information posted on this thread comes from private collections and repositories 1000's of miles from LA, e.g., New York, Boston and Washington D.C.

If you have followed this thread, many of us posters are not in Los Angeles, but have lived or visited there. Visiting can give one perspective, but it hardly guarantees a complete understanding - of any place. Try it, you might like it!

Best of luck!



Heavyweight Champion Jim J Jeffries and his wife. (No location or date.)



Jeffries trains in San Pedro for his fight with Jack Johnson. Jeffries allegedly lost 80 lbs. for this fight. (Atkins, LaLane or Jenny Craig? )

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/gg...500/04527r.jpg

Victory Boulevard and Buena Vista Street.
http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...ies%20Barn.jpg

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That probably says "X-RAYS". Just a guess, but the text above it that starts with LD or ED, possibly says "EDISON".
"X-RAYS": "The Marie Curie story?" Bet it got glowing reviews!
Prototype for instant passport photos?
[e]X[press]PAY check cashing service?


I have since viewed image on different screen and it looks like the dark shelves on the left are really drawers. Still curious about the eagle formation on the right wall.

Thanks for looking.
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X - Pays, you pay to use the fluoroscope? Like the shoe fitting machines where you x-ray your feet.
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I thought you might like to see this early post that has some images and history of Jim Jeffries Barn etc. -Believe it or not...it survives!
...also surviving is the wooden bar from Jim Jeffries' Gentleman's Club, 326 Spring Street.


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The building at 326 South Spring Street was the location of World Heavyweight Champion Jim Jeffries' Bar.



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below: Jim Jeffries' Gentlemen's Club at 326 Spring Street.


boxrec


above: The wooden bar was the longest in California at the time. The building was demolished in the early 1960s.
The bar was saved from the wrecking ball and now graces a resort somewhere in the Southwest.


below: Boxer James Jackson Jeffries.


cyberboxingzone




below: This barn located on Jim Jeffries' Burbank ranch became a boxing venue in the 1930s.
During the depression, another outbuilding was converted into a dormitory to feed and house homeless boys.


usc digital archive



Jim Jeffries' Barn hosted Thursday night boxing matches from 1931 to 1947, and wrestling matches from 1949 to 1953.
below: This view from 1954 shows the barn at Victory Boulevard and Buena Vista Street.



usc digital archive




below: In 1954 the barn was to be raised for this hotel/motel development.


usc digital archive

The Valley Hotel was never built, and Jim Jeffries' Barn was eventually moved to Knott's Berry Farm.
The site was a parking lot for years until a shopping plaza was built.



below: Jeffries' Barn at Knott's Berry Farm circa 1978.


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below: Jeffries' Barn at Knott's Berry Farm today. The barn's legacy is painted over.


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