noirish Los Angeles

[BillinGlendaleCA]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Bill, I checked out the other photos you have on your Flickr link. Very nice!

Thanks.

[BillinGlendaleCA]

Originally Posted by jumbo0

I've been reading this topic for years but still didn't succeed in picking up on the large amount of posts passing here. I'm somewhere halfway I guess lol. I've posted some then/now's before but now -about a year later- I have a few more I'd like to share with you, especially some aerials. If they are posted before I apologize.


More to come!

Sources:
The Regents Of The University of California.
USC.

Love "then/now" sets, or putting the "then" picture in the "now" picture. I often look at what's there now when folk post old shots here.

[ScottyB]

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA

Love "then/now" sets, or putting the "then" picture in the "now" picture. I often look at what's there now when folk post old shots here.

Here's one for you Bill. I drove by 45 S Arroyo Parkway in Pasadena the other day and was intrigued by this building.


GSV

Here is the "before" when the address was 45 S. Broadway (with plaster and top deck).


HDL

I love those trucks.

[rlrdrken]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Fantastic post Jumbo0!! Thank you so much.

In #7, it appears the wonderfully distinctive building is still standing. I don't recall seeing it before.
It makes me wonder if the arched top portion of that grand doorway is still there, hidden under that awful siding.




If only we could walk inside and look up.

_

It looks like they took a couple of feet of the building

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by oldstuff

Charles Winsel was born in Belgium in 1868. He came to the US in 1887. He and his partner had a retail seed store in the Rueder block on Main Street downtown. They also had a nursery at 509 E. Third, and from the info on the sign, another at Main and 49th. Charles Winsel, in 1920- 1930 lived with his wife Bertha at 642 N. Jackson, Glendale. The Glendale address appears to be apartments now. The 509 E. Third address is parking lots, and possibly part of the property of the Buddist Temple.

Robert Gibbs was born in June of 1894. He had been an employee of Charles Winsel and after he served in WWI, he became the junior partner in the seed business. His house, where he lived in 1930 at 4301 Kenwood Avenue, in Los Angeles, is still there and appears to be in good repair. This house was only a dozen blocks or so from the location of the nursery at Main and 49th

oldstuff, I almost forgot to thank you for the information on Winsel & Gibbs. THANK YOU.




Winsel-Gibb also had a small store at 211 S Main Street. (from the same 1925 seed catalog)


ebay




mentions "Our Store" at lower left.





mailer





The Winsel-Gibb store space today.

gsv

directly across from St. Vibiana's

[ethereal_reality]

This intriguing photograph was published in the April 21, 1908 Los Angeles Herald (without an accompanying story)


https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc

I was god-smacked by the extreme depth of this tunnel....1,300 feet!

So did this tunnel have anything to do with the old Buena Vista Reservoir that was built in Elysian Park in 1876
or is this 'tunnel' connecting to Silver Lake reservoir?

And where, pray-tell, was the pump house located? I thought it would be some distance from Elysian Park. (or maybe I'm not understanding how reservoirs work)
__

[Tourmaline]

Originally Posted by Beaudry

Another January 15 approaches – and if Elizabeth Short doesn’t define noirish – I’d be remiss if it passed unnoticed.

Up to the last Hollywood address of Elizabeth Short. The Chancellor (at 1842 Cherokee Avenue.)

A tale of two Chancellors?


The Chancellor is listed as "Apartments" in several '30s and '40s CDs. Apparently unrelated, there is another "Chancellor," some five miles away, at 3191 West Seventh Street. (Seventh and Berendo.) The "Chancellor Hotel" structure has been there since '24. Wonder how many cabbies exclaimed, "I thought you meant the other one."


1925

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...ll170/id/68586






https://cdngeneral.rentcafe.com/dmsl...333&scale=both


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...ll170/id/32880

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by Beaudry

Continuing the theme, here is the Chancellor in 2017, 70 years after the Elizabeth Short murder. It suffered a parapet correction, ditched the signage, gained some greenery and got a new name, "Chateau Hollywood":


gsv

[JeffDiego]

Don't think anyone here has mentioned the brand-new book about the Black Dahlia. The improbably named British author and TV producer Piu Eatwell claims (as most of them do) to solve the murder of Elizabeth Short in "Black Dahlia, Red Rose."
Eatwell fingers a suspect I was not familiar with named Leslie Dillon, and thinks the murder was committed at The Aster Motel on Figueroa Street.


The Aster Motel, a definite step down from the Chancellor.
https://ladailymirror.files.wordpres...ng?w=684&h=483


I've only read some reviews of the book, but apparently she claims that Dillon was a friend of the infamous Mark Hansen, part-owner of The Florentine Gardens nightclub, whose home on Carlos Avenue was a kind of rooming house for attractive young women. Eatwell believes that Hansen was intensely jealous of Short and ordered his psychopathic accquaintance Dillon to get rid of her. (Sounds like a shaky premise to me). Supposedly Hansen had dirt on members of the police department, who in turn arranged a cover-up when attention turned to Dillon and his connection to Hansen.
Eatwell has impressive credentials and The Times of London gave her book a good review - but the L.A. Times' Larry Harnisch totally dismisses her theory, thinks it's preposterous...and so it goes.

Here is a very sensationalized review of "Black Dahlia, Red Rose" in The Mirror UK:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...blood-11161233

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by JeffDiego

Eatwell has impressive credentials and The Times of London gave her book a good review - but the L.A. Times' Larry Harnisch totally dismisses her theory, thinks it's preposterous...and so it goes.

Here is a very sensationalized review of "Black Dahlia, Red Rose" in The Mirror UK:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...blood-11161233

Larry Harnish says HE has the last word on the murder and probably doesn't appreciate others' opinions.

The Times (London) review is at:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...well-lhvptx2pn

(Man, I so don't have a dog in this fight)

[BDiH]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

Continuing the theme, here is the Chancellor in 2017, 70 years after the Elizabeth Short murder. It suffered a parapet correction, ditched the signage, gained some greenery and got a new name, "Chateau Hollywood":


gsv

There an excellent photo of the Chancellor on Cherokee Avenue from 1947 on

http://www.theblackdahliainhollywood.com/

[John Maddox Roberts]

Originally Posted by JeffDiego

Don't think anyone here has mentioned the brand-new book about the Black Dahlia. The improbably named British author and TV producer Piu Eatwell claims (as most of them do) to solve the murder of Elizabeth Short in "Black Dahlia, Red Rose."
Eatwell fingers a suspect I was not familiar with named Leslie Dillon, and thinks the murder was committed at The Aster Motel on Figueroa Street.


The Aster Motel, a definite step down from the Chancellor.
https://ladailymirror.files.wordpres...ng?w=684&h=483


I've only read some reviews of the book, but apparently she claims that Dillon was a friend of the infamous Mark Hansen, part-owner of The Florentine Gardens nightclub, whose home on Carlos Avenue was a kind of rooming house for attractive young women. Eatwell believes that Hansen was intensely jealous of Short and ordered his psychopathic accquaintance Dillon to get rid of her. (Sounds like a shaky premise to me). Supposedly Hansen had dirt on members of the police department, who in turn arranged a cover-up when attention turned to Dillon and his connection to Hansen.
Eatwell has impressive credentials and The Times of London gave her book a good review - but the L.A. Times' Larry Harnisch totally dismisses her theory, thinks it's preposterous...and so it goes.

Here is a very sensationalized review of "Black Dahlia, Red Rose" in The Mirror UK:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...blood-11161233

Nice theory, but Betty Short mostly sponged off acquaintances. She wouldn't have la
sted a day n that place.

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by BDiH

There an excellent photo of the Chancellor on Cherokee Avenue from 1947 on

http://www.theblackdahliainhollywood.com/

Thx BDiH. Nice.

(about 3/4th of the way down the page in the right-hand column)

[westcork]

Whoa... I walk past this place every day. Thank you for the great find.

Originally Posted by ScottyB

Here's one for you Bill. I drove by 45 S Arroyo Parkway in Pasadena the other day and was intrigued by this building.


GSV

[ScottyB]

If I'm not mistaken this building went from Victorian to Deco.....wonder what happened to the bowling alley inside? I may have to go snooping.


HDL


GSV

[Flyingwedge]

The Feuerborn home was on the NE corner of 7th and Carondelet, which jogs to the west above 7th.
The following two images are from the January 26, 1902, Los Angeles Times:





ProQuest via LAPL


Here is the front of the house, from Carondelet:




This is the back of the house, with the garage at right, from 7th Street:



(Both) The Inland Architect and News Record Vol 45 No 3 April 1905 @ HathiTrust




1904 LA City Directory @ fold3.com


1906 Sanborn:



ProQuest via LAPL


1950 Sanborn; I don't know when 686 Carondelet became a restaurant:



ProQuest via LAPL


In 1963, 686 Carondelet was a french restaurant:



July 29, 1963, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL





February 9, 1964, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


Boccard's gave way to Helene's:



June 17, 1966, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


Here is 686 Carondelet at the center of this 1968 aerial that looks NW:



DW-87-54-B26-ISLA at USCDL


The demo permit for 686 Carondelet is dated April 16, 1976. t2 already showed us what's there now
(the wide building just below center):

Originally Posted by tovangar2

I wanted to note that there is a whole village of pretty buildings extending south from the Hayward-Thomas Building and Carondelet House, along Coronado and Carondelet and on W 7th Street. It doesn't look much from the air, but the streetscape is excellent.


google maps

[tovangar2]

Yes, that's Parkview Terrace Apartments, for seniors I'm told. Thank you FW for the history of the site.


gsv 2017

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

In #7, it appears the wonderfully distinctive building is still standing. I don't recall seeing it before.
It makes me wonder if the arched top portion of that grand doorway is still there, hidden under that awful siding.




If only we could walk inside and look up.

_

Did we discuss the barrel-shaped building to the right of the garage in the 1932 image before?


The auto body shop is now vacant and "ripe for redevelopment", as they say:


gsv 2017

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by ScottyB

Here's one for you Bill. I drove by 45 S Arroyo Parkway in Pasadena the other day and was intrigued by this building.


GSV

Here is the "before" when the address was 45 S. Broadway (with plaster and top deck).


HDL

I love those trucks.

Good one! As recently as 2006, this used to be my gym, back when it was a
Bally Total Fitness; it closed and became vacant after Bally closed and was bought out by 24 Hour Fitness.

And, I used to work with someone who told me that in the 1970s, this building used to be a high-end car dealership, but she didn't remember what brand; I think it might've been a dealership owned by Rusnak, who has other dealerships in Pasadena on Colorado Boulevard, near the western end of Old Town Pasadena.

[Lorendoc]

Browsing through random Calisphere.org pictures I found the following, captioned "1957 - candidate for slum clearance, 1st and Central":


calisphere.org

It looks like the Brunswig Square building is peeking over from the next block, so we're looking at the SW corner of 1st and Central:


GSV

I think that water tower has been seen in other photos here. A few letters are legible: "__C PUR_". Looking for a Sanborn map of where I thought the tank would be, I found:


lapl.org

This shows a tank belonging to the Purepac Corporation, which was a pharmaceutical manufacturer based in New York. The lettering is hard to read, I think it might say "45,000 gal steel spklr ?? Elev. 60' abv ?? filled from city main by 120 gpm elec cent pump tank not in use"

The Purepac Corporation had a mixed reputation, being the object of enforcement actions and court cases:


US Nat'l Library of Medicine

As a physician, I'm intrigued by such things as Dr. Meyers Nervine and Mdme Brady's Female Compound. I am guessing the former caused bromism (chronic bromine intoxication) which paradoxically causes the symptoms it purportedly was used to cure.

[ConstructDTLA]

Hey guys, this ghost sign was revealed last week on Broadway during the conversion of a space to WSS Shoes.

545 S Broadway - 'HARTFIELD'S' - I can't find any vintage images showing the space or that sign. Would love to see some.


WSS Shoes / Hartfields? by Hunter, on Flickr


WSS Shoes / Hartfields? by Hunter, on Flickr