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View Poll Results: Which Mass Transit project should have the MTA's next priority?
Light Rail to Crenshaw Blvd, Norwalk/Santa Fe Springs and Del Amo Mall 7 2.11%
LIght Rail: Downtown Connector 65 19.64%
405 Freeway Corridor from Van Nuys to LAX 45 13.60%
Subway/Heavy Rail to Westwood 157 47.43%
Subway/Heavy Rail via Whitter Blvd 9 2.72%
Subway/Heavy Rail via Vermont Avenue 9 2.72%
Double Track and Electrify Metrolink Lines 22 6.65%
Other 9 2.72%
None 8 2.42%
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yeah, they really do need to start working on the downtown connector study now.
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Waiting until Nov/Dec for a feasibility to begin isn't too big deal to me. But it is just another example of the type of delaying that goes on w. respect to these kinds of necessary projects.

That was an excellent editorial. I'm glad to see more and more people speaking up for a better Metro system.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...omment-letters

'Downtown connector' study is a dead end

October 12, 2005

Re "You can't ride a study," editorial, Oct. 2

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority has a long list of worthy projects that are priorities; unfortunately, state funding has been cut, federal funding is short and most of these projects are not funded in the foreseeable future.

The "downtown connector" is a worthy project but one that is not on the MTA's priority list. This 1 1/2 -mile project would cost more that $250 million to construct and take money from the MTA's other priority projects.



Projects on the MTA's priority list constitute a multibillion-dollar commitment over the next several years, and there are simply not enough funds available in the near future to meet all of the worthy projects that we wish to build.

As a result, to spend $1.5 million to study the "downtown connector" project that we don't have the funding to build any time in the next 10 years is a waste of money at this time.

YVONNE B. BURKE

ZEV YAROSLAVSKY

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^ So the "analysis of the analysis" was in fact a tactic by Burke to kill this thing. This editorial shows her true motives.

Yvonne and Zev are idiots.
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Projects on the MTA's priority list constitute a multibillion-dollar commitment over the next several years, and there are simply not enough funds available in the near future to meet all of the worthy projects that we wish to build.--Zev

Meanwhile...

L.A. Times: Cash Flowing Into State Coffers

"Spike in tax receipts fuels unexpected jump in revenue of more than $1.2 billion, with much of the extra money collected last month"
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The irony to this whole thing is that the County Supervisors got a $300+ Million Surplus and Burke and Yaroslavsky is worried about a mesely 1.5 million. And if this is the cost of the study why analyze the cost to study when the cost is already known.

What is angering me more is that Villaraigosa hasn't said anything about this when this was all going down.
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That $300 mil will probably get gobbled up by County hospitals trying to stay afloat under the weight of the uninsured masses. Gotta love that free market!
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Design the downtown connector so that in the future a line can branch off using the old Pacific Electric tunnel, but as mentioned it would have to deal with the Westin. Regardless, its an un-used tunnel so its definately of some value.

How serious are the plans to electrify Metrolink? I had heard that there were pretty serious plans back in the early 90s to electrify it.
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Not when they build a housing development that's blocking the tunnel portal which would make this tunnel useful.
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Tuesday, November 15, 2005

Metrolink moves on
The OCTA will add 36 daily trips, weekend rides and new parking spots.

By JIM RADCLIFFE
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

ORANGE – Metrolink, the commuter railway that has become Orange County's mass-transit backbone, will go from 40 to 76 weekday trips and add thousands of park-and-ride spaces along the lines by 2009.

Weekend service could begin by next spring.

Under a $383 million plan unanimously adopted by the Orange County Transportation Authority board Monday, seven locomotives will be purchased along with more than 50 passenger cars for Metrolink, which has three lines that cut through Orange County.

The OCTA, which killed off its light-rail project last month, is focusing its attention on beefing up Metrolink.

The railway averages 14,000 boardings per weekday in the county, with authority officials projecting that the number will swell to more than 30,000 by 2010.

"In five years we'll have twice as much Metrolink service as we have now," said Paul Taylor, an OCTA executive director. "The money's in hand. We control the money."

In two weeks, the OCTA board will consider approval of a detailed financial plan.

In large part, the $383 million will come from Measure M, the county's half-cent sales tax.

Metrolink's Orange County operating budget is $8.5 million and would rise to $18.9 million by 2010.

Centerline money

The demise of the long-debated CenterLine project, the 9.3-mile light railway from downtown Santa Ana to John Wayne Airport, allows the OCTA to use the money elsewhere.

CenterLine, which itself was to grow into a multicity railway, died in part because the federal government lacked interest in pay half of the $1 billion cost.

The Orange County changes to Metrolink, which runs though six counties and includes stops in Los Angles, Riverside and Oceanside, were always meant to be.

"It would have been done much more slowly," Taylor said. "We can now do in five years what might have taken 15 years."

The move pushes Metrolink more to the mainstream. Now, it largely runs in peak hours, so the long-distance commuter can take it to and from work.

The trains are faster than public buses, and the fares may keep the less affluent away. A one-way, weekday ticket for the 15-mile ride from Anaheim to Irvine is $5.75.

About 45 percent of Metrolink's operating budget is subsidized by taxpayers.

With the expanded service, to be in place by late 2009, Metrolink in Orange County will run on weekends and later on weekdays, stretching to 11 p.m. instead of 8 p.m.

The most traveled part of the OC Metrolink web – from Fullerton to the Laguna Niguel/Mission Viejo station – will offer a train every 30 minutes for much of the day instead of just during peak hours, said Darrell Johnson, OCTA's manager of commuter rail.

Cecila Gallardo was on the 5 p.m. eastbound train Monday. An administrative assistant at UCI Medical Center in Orange, she lives in Corona and was happy to hear more trains will be running.

"I used to drive the 91 for many years," she said. "It's a 25-minute ride (on Metrolink) instead of an hour and 25 minutes."


Parking improvements

Several thousand parking spots will be added at some existing Metrolink stations. (A station in Buena Park is to open in the summer.)

In all, the project will spend more than $50 million on railroad improvements.

More than $170 million will go to build parking structures and spaces; $20 million from other governmental sources will also go to parking.

For some of the new trips that run outside Orange County, agreements must be signed with a railway or another county, but they are expected to be secured.

Metrolink is 13 years old and has been in Orange County since 1994. Of the system's 512 miles, 87 are in the county.
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^Good move by OCTA. Metrolink is oftentimes overlooked, but it has a lot of potential to attract large ridership as it continues to expand. The whole system needs to be double tracked with service at least once every hour.
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BTW, that is the next part of OC's Metrolink Move.
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Sweet! Hopefully, this added service will apply to the entire Orange County Line and not just the segment within OC... I'd love to be able to ride the train up to and back from Union Station for dinner or a Sunday afternoon Dodger game, without paying the higher Amtrak fares...

EDIT: Whoops, guess I need to read more. From this quote, it looks like they're actually making an effort to *coordinate*, something that's sorely lacking for the most part in SoCal's transit network.

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For some of the new trips that run outside Orange County, agreements must be signed with a railway or another county, but they are expected to be secured.
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I'd like to see subway to Santa Monica first.
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^The money for the added commuter train service is *NOT* being taken away from the MTA construction budget... OCTA is a totally different agency, and Measure M funds are earmarked for *Orange County* transportation improvements. Plus, the amount they're spending is pocket change compared to what the Wilshire subway's going to cost...

EDIT: LOL... On second thought, you're probably just answering the original quesiton of the thread... if that's the case, the Red Line extension's a very good choice, IMO just a hair behind the DT Connector for providing a crucial link in LA's system.

EDIT #2: OK, $383 million dollars is actually a significant fraction of the cost of the Red Line extension, not "pocket change" as I originally said... man, I'm just not with it today... :nuts:

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Transit agency details 'contract'
OCTA officials announce how they intend to spend $11.8 billion if voters approve of renewing the Measure M half-cent sales tax.

By JIM RADCLIFFE
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

ORANGE – Nearly $1.5 billion would be spent to add lanes and fix interchanges along the Riverside (91) Freeway and build, if eventually approved, an elevated highway nearby if Orange County voters approve an extension of a half-cent sales tax.

An additional $1.7 billion would go for new lanes on the San Diego (I-5) Freeway and related improvements such as a rebuilding of the congested interchange at Ortega (74) Highway in San Juan Capistrano under a draft proposal unveiled Wednesday.

In all, 24 wide-ranging transportation projects costing $11.8 billion would be completed over the next three decades if voters decide to renew the half-cent Measure M sales tax. About 54 percent of the voters passed Measure M in 1990, and it's due to expire in 2011. The Orange County Transportation Authority is trying to extend the tax, but this time, due to changes in state law, two-thirds of the voters must approve it. OCTA is required to detail projects that would be funded by the tax.

Even if voters provide the money, the projects must be approved by local governments.

The improvements cover all regions of the county and do not include controversial projects such as a highway tunneled through the Santa Ana Mountains.

OCTA officials will seek more input from county and city leaders before finalizing what they call a "contract" with the voters on what would be done.

"We're going to have an added lane in each direction on nearly every freeway," said Monte Ward, an Orange County Transportation Authority official who is overseeing planning for an extension of Measure M.

More than $2.2 billion would keep Metrolink commuter trains chugging along and expand service.

Max Harris, 69, of Laguna Hills would vote for a Measure M extension if it indeed fixes streets and interchanges people use, such as the ones he takes to church: "Ortega Highway is a bloody mess."
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Yes, adding lanes... that will fix it! Why doesn't OC understand that just adding lanes will NOT solve the problem. UGH!!!!
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^I thought that too. so stupid.
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Isn't the 5 superhuge anyway down there? What's gonna happen when they get to Buena Park (or wherever it is) and they see that, no, LA didn't expand the 5 to 10 lanes in each direction...
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Ya, it's useless to expand the 5 anymore through Orange County if L.A. still has only 3 lanes in either direction between Santa Fe Springs and the 710.
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