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Old Posted Nov 7, 2017, 11:41 PM
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So any spire updates today? Also does anyone find it strange how this spire is being constructed beam by beam instead of prefabed pieces like other spires.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2017, 11:45 PM
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I'm sure many people would have said the same thing back in 2007-8 when the original Comcast Center was close to completion, and here we are less than 10 years later. I don't think it's safe to say it will be that long before we get a new king. Liberty Place took the crown for 21 years, then the Comcast will had it for 9. I'd split the different and take the under that we have a new tallest in 15 years.

And that 15 years could be much closer to 5-10 if a certain Fortune 15 company or two (or three if they were publicly traded) sauntered on over from Seattle/Conshy/Malvern.

And even if they don't, don't discount the momentum building organically in University City and the continued ambitions of the development community (ok, mostly just Liberty and Brandywine) to reach for the sky.

I think you're retirement line might work better for a fully residential building reaching the heights of CTC, but I'd be disappointed if this is our pinnacle before my almost 2 year old is able to get his drivers license*.

*Assumes autonomous vehicles haven't become such a thing that drivers licenses for kids are obsolete by then.
If we do land Amazon, and I hope we do, we can expect to see a skyscraper boom here. Not only would we get another thousand footer from Amazon, but I'd expect other companies would seek to move here, and residential towers a-plenty would come up as well.

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These buildings - Comcast Tech, Comcast Center, One Liberty, Two Liberty, BNY Mellon, Three Logan and FMC - would ABSOLUTELY make a dramatic impact on any US skyline you put them in not named Chicago and NYC. They are all very tall - and aside from FMC - cluttered together... which makes everything else around them seem less tall.
I think CTC would have a fairly big impact on Chicago, depending on where it goes. If we want a bigger skyline, more buildings in the 500-700 foot range would help a lot.

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You know, after visiting London this year, I came to realize how little a large skyline actually matters. I would much prefer to have a well integrated and active street level, than a massive sprawling skyline.

London's skyline is much smaller than Chicago, Miami, Houston, Atlanta... hell, even San Francisco, but it far exceeds every single one of those cities combined as an interesting and exciting city to explore. I may even put London over NYC for it's human scale and easy navigability. You could walk for literal miles on end in each direction in London and not run out of interesting things to explore. It's really remarkable.
Well, that's the difference between cities that are 300 years old and those that date from the Roman period. They have had much more time to develop the city into something interesting.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 1:04 AM
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As I said, I'm waiting to see how/if the "lantern" on CTC works to distract from the obvious fact that its roofline is lower than CC's. I'm hopeful that it will not look like an afterthought (but I think it will from most angles).
couldn't possibly disagree more, look at the renderings on page one which the building is turning out to mirror exactly. The lantern is integral to the design from the street level up, I really cannot comprehend how it could be viewed as an afterthought like some cheesy antenna bolted onto the side of a building as some spires appear to be, & that can be viewed from north, south and west with the east view being the only one you won't be able to appreciate the obvious integration. Even from the east however I think it'll still have a very nice 'supposed to be there' look to it given that it's the 4th step of a tapering design as opposed to a lantern that might've jutted out of the top of a giant rectangular office building.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 1:34 AM
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Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the top of the cooling tower on CTC supposed to be roughly 30 ft taller than Comcast 1? I don’t see it from below and I have yet to see one picture that convinces me of this. At best they looked similar in height?
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 1:38 AM
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couldn't possibly disagree more, look at the renderings on page one which the building is turning out to mirror exactly. The lantern is integral to the design from the street level up, I really cannot comprehend how it could be viewed as an afterthought like some cheesy antenna bolted onto the side of a building as some spires appear to be, & that can be viewed from north, south and west with the east view being the only one you won't be able to appreciate the obvious integration. Even from the east however I think it'll still have a very nice 'supposed to be there' look to it given that it's the 4th step of a tapering design as opposed to a lantern that might've jutted out of the top of a giant rectangular office building.
It could look like an afterthought from the direct north and south views, if the lantern is flush with the cooling-tower part. If it's inset a bit, that'll help, but the silhouette will basically just be a narrow rectangle on top of a huge rectangle from those sides.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 2:17 AM
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You know, after visiting London this year, I came to realize how little a large skyline actually matters. I would much prefer to have a well integrated and active street level, than a massive sprawling skyline.

London's skyline is much smaller than Chicago, Miami, Houston, Atlanta... hell, even San Francisco, but it far exceeds every single one of those cities combined as an interesting and exciting city to explore. I may even put London over NYC for it's human scale and easy navigability. You could walk for literal miles on end in each direction in London and not run out of interesting things to explore. It's really remarkable.
Depends on how you define skyline. London has thousands of high rises and counting, more than any city in America besides NY. Those add so much to density mile after mile (think like UCity in a way with all the mid rise-ish buildings). And they’re changing on the skyline thing anyway. Everyone uses London and Paris and a handful of other European cities as an anti-skyline thing but virtually all major world cities including them have huge amounts of construction constantly happening with countless high rises. Also, all of them (except a handful of thousands-year old cities in Europe), have pretty major skylines to boot or are unable to do so for economic reasons rather than choice.
I’ll be the first to tell you urbanity doesn’t directly correlate with tall buildings. I don’t think the Market Street business district is anyone’s favorite spot in Philly. But generally, major cities around the world are constantly building and/or have impressive skylines, including London. The European cities that opt against skylines by choice (this is changing too btw) are the exceptions rather than the rule. London’s world-class urbanity is not due to the fact that it eschewed tall buildings for so long but rather due to their centuries of rich history, solid quantity of people, and good urban planning. I think now the city is also starting to realize that vertical development can be efficient and effective under certain circumstances.
Also, next time you’re looking at construction numbers across the US, take a look at the number of high rises under construction or total projects (high rise or not). This often gives you a better idea of how rapidly a city is rising than one or two trophy buildings.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 2:28 AM
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It could look like an afterthought from the direct north and south views, if the lantern is flush with the cooling-tower part. If it's inset a bit, that'll help, but the silhouette will basically just be a narrow rectangle on top of a huge rectangle from those sides.
I guess, it's all in the eye of the beholder in the end right? To me it appears to be inset which will give it that stepped look from north & south but even if it were flush with the cooling tower it would then be fairly massive in its width from those angles so I still don't see how that's consistent with an afterthought given its sheer mass - I see an afterthought potential in a spire like the one on the Wilshire Grand that's tiny in diameter relative to the building itself & resembles an antenna that could've been attached at any time, even years after the building was completed.

And let's not forget this puppy lights up
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 11:16 AM
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Side note, did anybody notice the new lighting scheme on Comcast 1 last night? It was a two story wide strip of blue light on the north side only. Testing out something new? Or has the building always had this capability?
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 12:55 PM
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^ On the crown?
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 1:52 PM
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No, it was actually around the middle of the building.. the halls were lit up a bright blue.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 2:04 PM
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If there was 1 disappointment with CC1 it has to be the lighting scheme. It is dull, and hardly any color customization. Maybe FMC has pushed some competition in terms of lighting in the city.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 2:16 PM
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If there was 1 disappointment with CC1 it has to be the lighting scheme. It is dull, and hardly any color customization. Maybe FMC has pushed some competition in terms of lighting in the city.
It is very understated.

I'm excited to see the spire of CTC lit up. I think it will be a bold exclamation point on the skyline at night. I know that they've shown it will be white, but does anyone know if the color will be adjustable or flow bands of color through it? If there's some dynamism to the lighting of the spire, it will really play off FMC, Cira and PECO well (and hopefully get Liberty Place to step its game up).
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 2:37 PM
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You know, after visiting London this year, I came to realize how little a large skyline actually matters. I would much prefer to have a well integrated and active street level, than a massive sprawling skyline.

London's skyline is much smaller than Chicago, Miami, Houston, Atlanta... hell, even San Francisco, but it far exceeds every single one of those cities combined as an interesting and exciting city to explore. I may even put London over NYC for it's human scale and easy navigability. You could walk for literal miles on end in each direction in London and not run out of interesting things to explore. It's really remarkable.

That's true about London; I would put London over New York not that this is a city to city comparison. London has a more intimate feel in every direction; day and night. New York has some dead zones; one that comes to mind is between 2nd Avenue to 5th Avenue; from about 23rd to 40th; especially after 5PM and of course the projects near Chinatown as well.

London I love; so much fun; very international; very vibrant; the Financial Capital of the World. You are right about London.

Through Paris in there to I guess few skyscrapers except for in the La Defense complex but the character of the city is unmatched; full of live; very refined.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 2:46 PM
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London isn't the financial capital of the World. The NYSE in Manhattan is...
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No, it was actually around the middle of the building.. the halls were lit up a bright blue.
Probably just an event. The cafeteria and conference areas are around that level. Just more noticeable now that it gets dark so early.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 3:26 PM
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Probably just an event. The cafeteria and conference areas are around that level. Just more noticeable now that it gets dark so early.
I noticed it at 6am this morning.. I don't know. Take a look tonight maybe!
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London isn't the financial capital of the World. The NYSE in Manhattan is...
Not so fast... but we digress.
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London isn't the financial capital of the World. The NYSE in Manhattan is...
Nope, it's London.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global..._Centres_Index
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^^Oh Dear Jesus this debate. AGAIN!!
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2017, 4:01 PM
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I can't seem to find the metrics that i was thinking of in the reference cited for the ranking you pointed out. I was thinking in terms of trading volume, currency exchanged, market capitalization values of shares, etc. NYSE dwarfs the top 4 or 5 other exchanges. Also, I read somewhere that the number of financial jobs in numbers took a big dip in recent years.

But, according to your reference, [t]he ranking is an aggregate of indices from five key areas: "business environment", "financial sector development", "infrastructure factors", "human capital", "reputation and general factors". As of September 11, 2017, the top centres worldwide are:[6]...I guess you are correct.

Just not how I would of measure it.
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