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The Jahn tower... ther far right of the 3 images above, will be located on the corner of West Street north (left) of the Frank Williams' 60 story tower above Battery park Tunnel. So, the two will look quite striking together!
And we still don't know what 111 Washington will look like. It will rise just below this one, 50+ stories...

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Even though I grew up loving the littlebuilding with the slanting green roof, Im ok that its getting torn down for this one. I took some goodbye pics. See them here tomorrow.
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Here's one that won't be joining the Downtown housing boom afterall...
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Top of Woolworth Building to revert to offices



03-MAY-07

The owners of the Woolworth Building at 233 Broadway, one of the city's greatest skyscraper landmarks, have decided not to convert the top of the tower to residential condominiums.

Randy Gerner of the architectural firm of Gerner Kronick & Valcarcel PC, told CityRealty.com yesterday that his firm is now working on plans to convert the top floors back to office space. He said the plan is to make the space as exclusive as space at Lever House or 712 Fifth Avenue and that amenities will include a concierge and a separate lobby.

The building, which also has an address of 2 Park Place, was erected in 1913 for F. W. Woolworth, the owner of the famous 5 & 10 cent store chain. It was designed by Cass Gilbert and was the world's tallest building from 1913 to 1931.

It dominates City Hall Park as can be seen in the photograph at the right and its mosaic-lined lobby is the most glorious in the city.

The building was acquired in 1997 by 233 Broadway Owners LLC of which Steve Witkoff and Ruben Schron are principals and plans were disclosed to convert the top floors to apartments last year. A plan was approved by the Department of Buildings last June 15 for "plumbing work for the proposed conversion of floors 30 through 58 to residential use."

In their great book, "New York 1900, Metropolitan Architecture and Urbanism, 1900-1915," Robert A. M. Stern, Gregory Gilmartin and John Massengale described the building as "a masterpiece which culminated the development of the Composite Era skyscraper and anticipated the monuments of the Era of Convenience."

The building, they continued, offered a "convincing demonstration of the aesthetic power and potential urbanistic amenability of the base and tower formula...[and convincingly inhabited its height....The eighty-six-by-eighty-four-foot tower, which set back near the top, rose twenty-six stories above the building's twenty-nine-story base to produce a slightly squat profile that Gilbert's brilliant handling of the vertical ribs did much to help counteract." "The Woolworth Building was remarkable for its free Gothic silhouette and detail, which elevated a rationally composed structural system to heights of lyricism seldom achieved in a commercial building. Truly a 'Cathedral of Commerce,' as the Reverend S. Parkes Cadman dubbed it, the Woolworth Building set the standard for tall buildings for a generation, and Gilbert's Gothic style - 'Woolworth Gothic,' as it came to be known, replaced the Modern French as the most flexible and symbolically appropriate style for tall buildings....With the completion of the Woolworth Building the twentieth-century character of the Manhattan skyline was firmly established."

The remarkable acceleration upwards of office rents in the city in the last year or so has led several owners to reconsider plans to residentially convert some office buildings such as 200 Fifth Avenue facing Madison Square Park where the owners of the Metropolitan Life Insurance clocktower building are also restudying their conversion plans.
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So this 3 story building which is numbered 50 West Street is going down.




But so is this little green top tower that for some off reason I connected with as a kid.


I was kind of bummed. But this new 700 footer looks cool and it would be really good for the neighborhood, so I started to take pics as my own tribute for it. And now that im done, im ok with it going by way of the dodo. Bring on the 69 story one.

But if you allow the 'jack. This is what the new tower will replace.















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And the Williams one would be next door over this
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Nice Photos!

Thanks Scruffy for posting those photos... giving us all a clear idea of what the city will be losing and gaining. The current 50 West building with the nice Beaux Arts copper top is "ok". Sad the lower 7 floors were "modernized" with the Beaux Arts top remaining the same. Too bad the old owner never refurbished the entire building to its Beaux Arts glory... and if so, it would have been a REAL loss to the city. In its current state... its not such a loss... just sad that no one was willing to renovate... too costly to update using only 7-12 stories when the owners can maximize profit and air rights by throwing up a new "GIANT". With Jahn's design, it will be a beauty however...
     
     
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Love this view with 7 WTC and the Deutsche Bank tower. This gives you an idea of just how closely spaced
all of these developments will be. By the way, didn't know you were so young Scruffy...
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Love this view with 7 WTC and the Deutsche Bank tower. This gives you an idea of just how closely spaced
all of these developments will be. By the way, didn't know you were so young Scruffy...
HA HA. Thats not me. Thats my bud, Lecom. Im older.
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Lets make the rendering much bigger...

It's good to see a non-retro residential tower in NY for a change.
     
     
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HA HA. Thats not me. Thats my bud, Lecom. Im older.
Same applies. By the way, with all of these developments, in a couple of years the Downtown skyline will resemble of forest of cranes in the sky. You have all of the WTC towers, the Beekman, the residential towers north of the WTC, and all of these towers to the south. More of a rebuilding than anyone thought.
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this is more than rebuilding at this point. rebuilding signifies replacing what was lost. we've gone far past that. This is now an evolution of sorts. We are being upgraded to a level that downtown has never seen. And I couldn't be more excited to be in the middle of it.
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this is more than rebuilding at this point. rebuilding signifies replacing what was lost. we've gone far past that. This is now an evolution of sorts. We are being upgraded to a level that downtown has never seen. And I couldn't be more excited to be in the middle of it.
That's true, but just as with the WTC itself, the "rebuilt" Downtown will be better than it was before (new transit hubs, better subway connections, more retail, etc). I wonder if many of these developments would have taken place if not for 9/11. Probably so because of the residential market in the City. I know that a large number of these Downtown initiatives were a direct result of 9/11, the government's response. The LMDC also contributes to a lot of Downtown's rebuilding.
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Hotels find room to build downtown
2 dozen projects planned or under construction in growing area




By: Kerry Murtha
May 20, 2007


By the end of the decade, downtown Manhattan will boast the city's tallest building, a host of new parks, a pair of new transit hubs, the World Trade Center Memorial, scores of new shops and restaurants and thousands of new full-time residents.

With all that in the works, it's no wonder that developers are in the process of making the area the city's hottest market for new hotels. Two dozen such projects are currently either under construction or on the drawing boards.
Together, they will add 3,000 hotel rooms south of City Hall within the next few years, more than doubling the current count of nine hotels with a total of 2,197 rooms, according to the Alliance for Downtown New York.

Underserved market

"It's an incredibly strong market and currently underserved," says Rex Hakimian, chief executive of The Hakimian Organization, which is converting the former J.P. Morgan headquarters at 75 Wall St. to an upscale hotel and condominium.

Next year, the 43-story brick tower will reopen with a 250-unit Hyatt Hotel and 350 condominiums. The hotel will capitalize on 360-degree views, 10-foot ceilings, large windows, and a landscaped plaza between Pearl and Water streets.

On the other side of downtown, The Moinian Group is making a similar bet at 123 Washington St., where it is building a 57-story tower that will house the W New York-Downtown Hotel & Residences. The hotel, which is also slated to open next year, will be operated by Starwood Hotel & Resorts Worldwide Inc. and will feature 217 hotel rooms and 222 residential units.

Affluent audience

The hotel's front door sits just one block from the site of the Freedom Tower, which is expected to draw more than 5 million tourists a year. Among the W's amenities will be a 24-hour concierge who can provide guests with everything from a bed covered in rose petals to private jet service. As those amenities suggest, downtown hotels are increasingly catering to an audience of more than businesspeople.

"Five years ago, lower Manhattan was a Monday-through-Thursday hotel market primarily for businesspeople," says Noel Hecht, director of the hotel transactions group for Cushman & Wakefield Inc. "Downtown's shift to a 24/7 community is key to drawing weekend hotel business."

That transition is in full swing. In recent years, downtown has become the fastest-growing residential market in the city. Today, the area has a population of 40,000, up from around 25,000 just six years ago. That burgeoning, affluent crowd has in turn attracted a number of high-end retailers eager to serve them — including Cartier — and restaurants announcing plans to open downtown.

"We are counting on the continued growth of downtown to increase the guest room demand," says Gary Wisinski, chief operating officer for Queens-based McSam Hotel Group, which has several projects under way in the Wall Street area. He notes that occupancy rates for downtown hotels are currently running "in the mid-80% range."

Among McSam's developments are a 113-room Wyndham Garden Hotel at 20 Maiden Lane, a 192-room Doubletree at 8 Stone St. and a 112-room Holiday Inn Express at the corner of Wall and Water streets. All three are expected to open next year.


Capitalizing on downtown's increasing popularity with younger people, some developers are creating small boutique hotels. A classic example is the Wall Street Inn at 9 S. William St., which developer Norman Rutta opened in 1999. The 46-room boutique is in the old headquarters of investment bank Lehman Brothers, and hints at its former grandeur with a lobby that features mahogany paneling and a granite floor.

Vibrant market

Mitchell Adelstein, president of CRG Realty Capital, a boutique hotel financier, says he has been involved in at least half a dozen boutique hotel projects downtown. "The interest in creating this kind of destination here is a testament to lower Manhattan's shift from a purely commercial base to a vibrant, hip, young hotel market," he says.

In response to the changing downtown market, owners of some existing hotels are pouring money into upgrades of their facilities. LaSalle Hotel Properties, for example, recently lavished $60 million on a renovation of the Holiday Inn Wall Street District.

The hotel, located at the corner of Gold and Platt streets, offers free PCs equipped with high-speed Internet access in every one of its 138 rooms. Visitors are also offered access to personal trainers and private yoga classes.
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This narrow walkway on Ward St. would be widened into a landscaped plaza under the plan.

Developer plans to knock down West St. ‘copper top’ to build 63 stories

By Skye H. McFarlane


The developer has called it a “shot in the arm for the neighborhood.” More than one Financial District resident has called it a “dangerous precedent.” The chair of Community Board 1 has called it a “huge decision.”

On June 6, Downtowners will get a chance to decide for themselves how to describe the 63-story, mixed-use development proposed for 50 West St. The developer, Time Equities, will make a full presentation on the project before C.B. 1’s Financial District, Battery Park City and Quality of Life Committees.

In addition to informing the public, the Wednesday meeting will be one of only two opportunities that the board will have to formulate an official position on the development. The other will be next month’s full board meeting. Because 50 West St. has applied for several zoning tweaks, as well as the purchase of air rights from the city, the project must undergo the city’s complex Uniform Land Use Review Procedure (ULURP). By city law, the community board has until July 2 to submit its opinion on the project.

“We’ll meet as long as we need to meet Wednesday to answer everyone’s questions on this,” said Julie Menin, the chair of C.B. 1. “We are going to speak with a very loud voice on this.”

However, Menin isn’t sure just yet what that voice will say. No matter what the community board says, there will be a significant development at 50 West St. Under the area’s commercial zoning, Time Equities can build a 30 to 40 story building on the site’s current footprint. The company has already submitted preliminary applications for the demolition of the 1912 “copper top” 13-story building that currently occupies the space, just north of the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel. The development will contain hotel rooms, luxury condominium units and ground floor retail, all to be designed by well-known architect Helmut Jahn.

If the developer’s ULURP application is approved, the building could gain an additional 180,000 square feet of space, putting it at 63 stories under the current plans. The ULURP would also clear the way for a public plaza on the site, with landscaping and outdoor seating for a proposed café and restaurant. The plaza would be created by enlarging the narrow Ward St. walkway near the garage that leads from West to Washington Sts.

Menin, City Councilmember Alan Gerson and representatives from the community board and the local schools have been meeting with Time Equities to discuss potential “community benefits” that the developer might be willing to offer. Community benefit negotiations are common in cases of large-scale developments, especially those that require zoning variances or regulatory approvals. Previous negotiations with Downtown developers have yielded three schools, two community centers and funding for youth programs.

Gerson, Menin and Phillip Gesue, Time Equities director of acquisition and development, all declined to comment specifically on what community amenities have been discussed. However, both Gerson and Menin stressed that the developers will have to make accommodations for the additional children they would be bringing into the area’s overcrowded schools, as well as address the dearth of affordable housing Downtown. Others with knowledge of the negotiations were more specific, saying that Time Equities has offered to purchase laptops and other technology for P.S./ I.S. 89 in Battery Park City, and to beautify a small local park on Trinity Place.

Some community members have complained about the “closed door” negotiations for community amenities. Gerson responded that the talks were only preliminary, to let the developers know what concerns they would have to address in their presentation. Menin and Gesue both stressed that it was not possible to have full-blown public presentation until the 50 West ULURP application was officially submitted to the board. That happened on May 2 and since then, Menin said, a number of board members have taken the time to review the proposal.

Though it is not contained in the ULURP plans, Menin said that she expected Time Equities to include the possibility of a pedestrian bridge in its presentation to the board. Residents of south Battery Park City have long wished for a bridge to connect them to the Rector St. subways without the hassle and danger of navigating the at-grade traffic near the Battery Tunnel. Financial constraints and logistical questions over where and how to construct the bridge have long stalled the project. Gesue said that Time Equities is “absolutely” supportive of having a pedestrian bridge in the neighborhood. He added that the 50 West project could help the community by getting involved in any number of urban planning efforts.

In general, though, Gesue believes that the 50 West project is its own community benefit. With Jahn’s name and talent attached, he said, the building will be an “architectural landmark.” Gesue declined to release any renderings before the presentation. The building is also aiming for a gold rating from the U.S. Green Buildings Council. The current plans call for a clear glass building surrounding an exposed concrete skeleton. The building would be narrower at the bottom, to allow room for the public plaza, and wider on the upper floors — what architects call a cantilever.

The public plaza, Gesue said, will give Battery Park City residents a clean, attractive walkway to the Financial District. With a better access path, the merchants in the Greenwich South area will benefit from an increase in foot traffic. In general, he believes that the development will bring tourists, shops and street life to an area that is better known for commuter traffic and parking garages. Gesue admitted, however, that those neighborhood qualities will make the new 50 West St. property a challenge to market.

“This is why we need all the help we can get,” Gesue said. “We’re taking what is not a great area and we are making it better. This will be a real shot in the arm for the neighborhood, but that’s a challenge and a risk for us. That’s why we need the community’s help and not resistance.”

Some community members are already resistant, fearing that the rumored laptops, park improvements and pedestrian bridge will not compensate for the stress that the building’s increased population will put on the neighborhood’s schools and parks. While new laptops will become obsolete in five years, C.B. 1 member Catherine McVay Hughes said, the community will be stuck with 20 extra stories forever. Hughes also worried that the developer’s plan to build green would be presented as a “community amenity” at the meeting.

“A green building is great,” Hughes said. “But any smart developer these days who wants to attract luxury condo owners would want to make their building green. So it’s not a community amenity.”

Other community members are vowing to oppose the project, no matter what community amenities Time Equities offers. The height of the building would be out-of-context with the neighborhood, they say, (most nearby buildings are in the 20- to 30-story range) and the purchase of air rights from over the Battery Tunnel would set a bad precedent in an area that will likely see more large development in the coming years.

“I think it’s time to save the community contextually,” said C.B. 1 member and Battery Park City resident Tom Goodkind. “I don’t think community boards were meant to negotiate money out of realtors.”

Menin also believes that the process of community boards negotiating with developers needs to be reformed. She said that instead of having communities beg and plead every time a new development comes along, the city should institute a formal process whereby large projects must be analyzed to find out exactly what impact they will have on community infrastructure. Developers would then have a legal mandate to mitigate that impact.

While Gerson also supports a more regulated process at the city level, he said Wednesday that he was “guardedly optimistic” that the community and Time Equities could reach an amenable agreement under the current system. Though she is waiting to see the final presentation and hear the community’s reaction, Menin was a bit more guarded than optimistic.

“It’s a huge decision,” she said. “It may be that the impact is simply too great. At a certain point, we would have to say, ‘No, this is not acceptable.’”

The opinions of the community board, the Borough President’s office and the City Planning department all carry weight in the ULURP process, but because the 50 West application involves a change to the city map, the final approval or disapproval will be made by the City Council. The June 6 public meeting will take place at 6 p.m. in the Assembly Hearing Room on the 19th floor of 250 Broadway.
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The height of the building would be out-of-context with the neighborhood, they say, (most nearby buildings are in the 20- to 30-story range) and the purchase of air rights from over the Battery Tunnel would set a bad precedent in an area that will likely see more large development in the coming years.
You. Live. In. Fucking. Lower. Manhattan! Idiots.
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^They'd like to think they're in the suburbs.

Here's the building in question again. The top is nice, but otherwise, the
building is nothing special. In fact, if you just cut off the copper top, we'd
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Who's bright idea was it to drag thousands of suburbanites into the nation's most important financial district, anyway?

Great going, guys! Now how 'bout them daycare centers, huh?
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Who's bright idea was it to drag thousands of suburbanites into the nation's most important financial district, anyway?

Great going, guys! Now how 'bout them daycare centers, huh?
How about this one?

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Menin, City Councilmember Alan Gerson and representatives from the community board and the local schools have been meeting with Time Equities to discuss potential “community benefits” that the developer might be willing to offer. Community benefit negotiations are common in cases of large-scale developments, especially those that require zoning variances or regulatory approvals. Previous negotiations with Downtown developers have yielded three schools, two community centers and funding for youth programs.
"Affordable Housing" and "Downtown" are two words that really don't belong in the same sentence. Ideally, everything would be "affordable" to everyone. But if it costs to move Downtown, then it costs to move Downtown.
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I love the fact that we all are so ahead of the curve. We talk about stuff for a couple weeks before the media picks it up and brings it the masses. we rule.

cantilevered? interesting.

If they are buying air rights from the battery tunnel, to me that sounds like the williams tower that was going over the parking lot is a vision only and will not happen. im thinking that they would be competing for the same air rights.
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